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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1421 » by KnixinSix » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:06 am

WargamesX wrote:Murray might have some legs. They clearly are going to want a package of draft picks, the Knicks can give them a package.

Fournier fits the trade space, needed for Murray.

Also as much as I hate to say it Grimes because of his recent struggles or IQ because of his salary demands are viable options to send out in a trade. Hey could also move one of Hart or DDV too.

The only real roadblock is Murray is Klutch and they a have a vendetta against the Knicks because of their close CAA ties.


Murray has 4 years on that deal. They may want out of that salary bc they don't see him as a good fit.

He 'only' cost 3 unprotected firsts for Atl to get him off a career year in SA. Would Grimes , Fournier and 2 unprotected firsts be enough?

Then use RJ, IQ and 2 firsts to get Markenen and Olynyk
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1422 » by RHODEY » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:38 am

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WargamesX wrote:Murray might have some legs. They clearly are going to want a package of draft picks, the Knicks can give them a package.

Fournier fits the trade space, needed for Murray.

Also as much as I hate to say it Grimes because of his recent struggles or IQ because of his salary demands are viable options to send out in a trade. Hey could also move one of Hart or DDV too.

The only real roadblock is Murray is Klutch and they a have a vendetta against the Knicks because of their close CAA ties.


Murray has 4 years on that deal. They may want out of that salary bc they don't see him as a good fit.

He 'only' cost 3 unprotected firsts for Atl to get him off a career year in SA. Would Grimes , Fournier and 2 unprotected firsts be enough?

Then use RJ, IQ and 2 firsts to get Markenen and Olynyk
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1423 » by F N 11 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:03 pm

There is a Rich Paul block with Murray.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1424 » by Buttah304 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:57 pm

DeJounte is not worth 2 fully unprotected 1sts and another protected 1st. Absolutely not. I mean sure a team could do that but it would be a mistake
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1425 » by DaGawd » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:59 pm

still not sure why we even want murray, he’s a bad fit on this team
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1426 » by sol537 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:07 pm

If Zion is available for Randle straight up... you gotta consider it.

If KD is available for RJ + IQ + two picks... you consider it.

If Booker is available for RJ + IQ + three picks... you consider it.

If Spida is available for RJ + IQ + two picks... you consider it.

This is the trade deadline we've been waiting for.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1427 » by DaGawd » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:33 pm

sol537 wrote:If Zion is available for Randle straight up... you gotta consider it.

If KD is available for RJ + IQ + two picks... you consider it.

If Booker is available for RJ + IQ + three picks... you consider it.

If Spida is available for RJ + IQ + two picks... you consider it.

This is the trade deadline we've been waiting for.

it’s more likely nothing happens
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1428 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:36 pm

sol537 wrote:If Zion is available for Randle straight up... you gotta consider it.

If KD is available for RJ + IQ + two picks... you consider it.

If Booker is available for RJ + IQ + three picks... you consider it.

If Spida is available for RJ + IQ + two picks... you consider it.

This is the trade deadline we've been waiting for.


:lol: NONE of those players will be available for any of those trades this deadline. This is not the deadline we've been waiting for. No big trade is coming until at least this summer or next TDL if we're lucky. Anything is possible.... Except that list. :o
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1429 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:38 pm

DaGawd wrote:still not sure why we even want murray, he’s a bad fit on this team

Guessing at possible FO motivations: Brunson is the only true 3 level offensive engine on the team. Randle almost. Certainly only one at guard \wing. IQ has some good PG flashes and is a nice player but more a SG. The Knicks have been linked to DMitch, Lavine and now Murray. While I think they need a big wing 3&D, maybe they want that 2nd engine beside Brunson but especially for when he sits. A guess
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1430 » by KnixinSix » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:39 pm

F N 11 wrote:There is a Rich Paul block with Murray.


Rich Paul clearly stated if my client requests New York he'd oblige. He's also under contract for 4 more years so there is no need for negotiations on contract for a while.

It could happen. Yes Knicks favor CAA but its not like the entire team is CAA either.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1431 » by KnixinSix » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:49 pm

sol537 wrote:If Zion is available for Randle straight up... you gotta consider it.

If KD is available for RJ + IQ + two picks... you consider it.

If Booker is available for RJ + IQ + three picks... you consider it.

If Spida is available for RJ + IQ + two picks... you consider it.

This is the trade deadline we've been waiting for.


The guys who seems clearly available and possibly available at the deadline are:

Murray
Markenen
LAvine
Derozen

Chicago has reluctantly accepted the need to blow it up.

Utah wants to tank and Markenen doesn't fit their timeline.

Hawks have come to the conclusion that Murray is not a good system and/or roster.


Teams not doing as well as they want to be and a bit of chance they could be sellers are:

Phx -I would think it would have to get really ugly for it to happen. Would they deal just one of KD or Booker. Would it be for more depth since they are extremely lacking in depth? I would think a KD, RJ, IQ and Beal roster would potentially be awfully good. Those players have complementary games. It would be deeper than how they are constructed now.

Cleveland- dealing with big injuries to key players and they know Mitchell wants to be in New York (his stance hasn't changed)
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1432 » by 8516knicks » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:53 pm

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They can demand a trade. Especially KD who is a diva. You do not want to start a beef with KD. He is old and if is locked for the season, he will lose trade value.


"You do not want to start a beef with KD" Seriously? So he's now Big Bad LeRoy Brown? :lol: I can see the billionaires running for cover (in a South Park adaptation). :lol:


It's his team"s loss. He is an old HOF player. He will just sit and collect the checks if he is not happy. What would the Suns do? Do they let his trade value go further down and refuse to trade him? Do they refuse to pay him and ask for help from the league to make him play?


Let me get this straight. KD gets paid whether he plays or not??? :crazy: Who would give anyone a contract like that?
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1433 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:53 pm

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F N 11 wrote:There is a Rich Paul block with Murray.


Rich Paul clearly stated if my client requests New York he'd oblige. He's also under contract for 4 more years so there is no need for negotiations on contract for a while.

It could happen. Yes Knicks favor CAA but its not like the entire team is CAA either.


We have IQ. Murray will be guaranteed to make at least what we weren't willing to give IQ. IQ is 3 years younger. It only makes sense if they value Murray more than IQ and he goes in the trade.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1434 » by KnixinSix » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:55 pm

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DaGawd wrote:still not sure why we even want murray, he’s a bad fit on this team

Guessing at possible FO motivations: Brunson is the only true 3 level offensive engine on the team. Randle almost. Certainly only one at guard \wing. IQ has some good PG flashes and is a nice player but more a SG. The Knicks have been linked to DMitch, Lavine and now Murray. While I think they need a big wing 3&D, maybe they want that 2nd engine beside Brunson but especially for when he sits. A guess


Murray gives you better size and better dynamic type scoring than IQ. Hes locked into a very favorable contract too. IQ is not far off in terms of quality of player but Murray is probably the better fit next to Brunson in Thibs system and this is Brunson's team. Also Murray is hitting his 3s at above 38% this year. Lastly Murray can probably play back up point better than IQ too.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1435 » by Richard4444 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:57 pm

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"You do not want to start a beef with KD" Seriously? So he's now Big Bad LeRoy Brown? :lol: I can see the billionaires running for cover (in a South Park adaptation). :lol:


It's his team"s loss. He is an old HOF player. He will just sit and collect the checks if he is not happy. What would the Suns do? Do they let his trade value go further down and refuse to trade him? Do they refuse to pay him and ask for help from the league to make him play?


Let me get this straight. KD gets paid whether he plays or not??? :crazy: Who would give anyone a contract like that?


Sorry. Simmons refused to play and he was paid. Harden refused to play and he was paid. Do you think the league will force Durant to play if he asks for a trade to multiple teams? Furthermore, Durant is at the end of his career. His trade value will drop if he sits.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1436 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:00 pm

DaGawd wrote:still not sure why we even want murray, he’s a bad fit on this team


He's another IQ but, 3 years older and (next year) starts making the money we didn't want to give IQ this year. So, if IQ goes in the trade, it makes some kind of sense. Not to me personally because I would keep IQ.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1437 » by KnixinSix » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:00 pm

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F N 11 wrote:There is a Rich Paul block with Murray.


Rich Paul clearly stated if my client requests New York he'd oblige. He's also under contract for 4 more years so there is no need for negotiations on contract for a while.

It could happen. Yes Knicks favor CAA but its not like the entire team is CAA either.


We have IQ. Murray will be guaranteed to make at least what we weren't willing to give IQ. IQ is 3 years younger. It only makes sense if they value Murray more than IQ and he goes in the trade.


As stated in the post above they might feel Murray is the better overall fit next to Brunson and even as a back up PG. IQ could certainly go in that trade or in a follow up one for someone else like Markenen.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1438 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:08 pm

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Rich Paul clearly stated if my client requests New York he'd oblige. He's also under contract for 4 more years so there is no need for negotiations on contract for a while.

It could happen. Yes Knicks favor CAA but its not like the entire team is CAA either.


We have IQ. Murray will be guaranteed to make at least what we weren't willing to give IQ. IQ is 3 years younger. It only makes sense if they value Murray more than IQ and he goes in the trade.


As stated in the post above they might feel Murray is the better overall fit next to Brunson and even as a back up PG. IQ could certainly go in that trade or in a follow up one for someone else like Markenen.


Ainge is not doing NYK any favors. IQ goes in the Murray trade or it doesn't happen. No way they risk adding another guard to this roster without shipping one out. I doubt Grimes gets it done so... Most likely IQ/Evan for Murray. Maybe a couple protected picks?

Murray will get the role and the contract that IQ wanted. That won't go over well if IQ is still on the team.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1439 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:13 pm

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DaGawd wrote:still not sure why we even want murray, he’s a bad fit on this team

Guessing at possible FO motivations: Brunson is the only true 3 level offensive engine on the team. Randle almost. Certainly only one at guard \wing. IQ has some good PG flashes and is a nice player but more a SG. The Knicks have been linked to DMitch, Lavine and now Murray. While I think they need a big wing 3&D, maybe they want that 2nd engine beside Brunson but especially for when he sits. A guess


Murray gives you better size and better dynamic type scoring than IQ. Hes locked into a very favorable contract too. IQ is not far off in terms of quality of player but Murray is probably the better fit next to Brunson in Thibs system and this is Brunson's team. Also Murray is hitting his 3s at above 38% this year. Lastly Murray can probably play back up point better than IQ too.

I'd deal Donte, keep IQ with Murray and deal RJ for OG
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#1440 » by sol537 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:18 pm

I would not mind a Mitch, RJ, IQ, Fournier and filler for Murray and Hunter trade.

Brunson, Murray, Hunter, Randle, iHart

Can turn around and send Murray for Spida in the off season if it doesn’t work out.

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