Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24 – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET)

[165bows]

This is hilarious because it's such deja vu re: when people were trying to tell me the same sorts of arguments prior to the Brogdon trade. It's as if the Lakers didn't just make a trade with five players last deadline, double-digit guys moved in total, I'm not sure why I'm even having this discussion.

Of course the obvious retorts are obvious, well they were a fringe, conference finalist contender, not a "real' contender. Obvious retort to that being very few teams are true contenders so everything is rare since we are talking about a very small sample.

The real big difference to the Brogdon trade was I was pretty confident at that time they needed more shooting/scoring and more ball handling. This year it's not apparent that they do need anything specific and if they do, what that specific need is.

[Fierce1]

6 for 3 trade is illegal as the Jazz have 15 players on their roster. It'll have to be 6 for 6, except 6 for 6 is illegal since we can't take back that much salary. The Jazz have to cut 3 players and send KO + 2 back, or we could also find additional teams to absorb those 3 players but all that will take additional compensation.

In a scenario like that, all the Celtic players, except one, will have to go to other teams.

The Jazz will only get the draft pick the Celtics are willing to give.

[BK_2020]

This is hilarious because it's such deja vu re: when people were trying to tell me the same sorts of arguments prior to the Brogdon trade. It's as if the Lakers didn't just make a trade with five players last deadline, double-digit guys moved in total, I'm not sure why I'm even having this discussion.

Of course the obvious retorts are obvious, well they were a fringe, conference finalist contender, not a "real' contender. Obvious retort to that being very few teams are true contenders so everything is rare since we are talking about a very small sample.

The real big difference to the Brogdon trade was I was pretty confident at that time they needed more shooting/scoring and more ball handling. This year it's not apparent that they do need anything specific and if they do, what that specific need is.

The Lakers didn't pay 5 teams to take 5 minimum salary players though just so they can pay to obtain the 8th man who can play 15 minutes a game.

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics are not trading for Kelly Olynyk. Makes no sense. Olynyk's only chance for returning to the Celtics is a buyout.

[165bows]

This is hilarious because it's such deja vu re: when people were trying to tell me the same sorts of arguments prior to the Brogdon trade. It's as if the Lakers didn't just make a trade with five players last deadline, double-digit guys moved in total, I'm not sure why I'm even having this discussion.

Of course the obvious retorts are obvious, well they were a fringe, conference finalist contender, not a "real' contender. Obvious retort to that being very few teams are true contenders so everything is rare since we are talking about a very small sample.

The real big difference to the Brogdon trade was I was pretty confident at that time they needed more shooting/scoring and more ball handling. This year it's not apparent that they do need anything specific and if they do, what that specific need is.

The Lakers didn't pay 5 teams to take 5 minimum salary players though just so they can pay to obtain the 8th man who can play 15 minutes a game.

Hmm it's almost like there are a lot of common patterns that occur but each one also has its own unique elements.

That said, I detailed one decent suggestion a couple of pages back but if people want to keep indulging themselves about that fantasy it's fine with me.

[Fierce1]

Celtics are not trading for Kelly Olynyk. Makes no sense. Olynyk's only chance for returning to the Celtics is a buyout.

That's what I also believe.

Trading for Oly is doable, but very complicated.

The best route is a buyout.

[BK_2020]

This is hilarious because it's such deja vu re: when people were trying to tell me the same sorts of arguments prior to the Brogdon trade. It's as if the Lakers didn't just make a trade with five players last deadline, double-digit guys moved in total, I'm not sure why I'm even having this discussion.

Of course the obvious retorts are obvious, well they were a fringe, conference finalist contender, not a "real' contender. Obvious retort to that being very few teams are true contenders so everything is rare since we are talking about a very small sample.

The real big difference to the Brogdon trade was I was pretty confident at that time they needed more shooting/scoring and more ball handling. This year it's not apparent that they do need anything specific and if they do, what that specific need is.

The Lakers didn't pay 5 teams to take 5 minimum salary players though just so they can pay to obtain the 8th man who can play 15 minutes a game.

Hmm it's almost like there are a lot of common patterns that occur but each one also has its own unique elements.

That said, I detailed one decent suggestion a couple of pages back but if people want to keep indulging themselves about that fantasy it's fine with me.

Yeah that unique element being roster flexibility in the off-season which you can't really fudge around.

[165bows]

The Lakers didn't pay 5 teams to take 5 minimum salary players though just so they can pay to obtain the 8th man who can play 15 minutes a game.

Hmm it's almost like there are a lot of common patterns that occur but each one also has its own unique elements.

That said, I detailed one decent suggestion a couple of pages back but if people want to keep indulging themselves about that fantasy it's fine with me.

Yeah that unique element being roster flexibility in the off-season which you can't really fudge around.

Lol you don't need to fudge around it if you don't fantasize trying to do something that needs fudging.

[celtxman]

If we trade Walsh I’m rioting until we win 18, then I’ll tone it down to yelling!

I’m as adamant about his potential as i was about Giannis and Hali, but I’m not saying he’s going to be as good. I’m saying he’s going to be at least a really good 6th man.

Ok BS aside… KL is what I’m feeling!

I don't want to give up Walsh either! At the draft, I wanted Jaime Jaquez to slip to us, or move up past Miami to get him (Rat Riley always snags my guy). However, I thought Walsh was a great second choice, and a steal at 38th. He's just much younger than Jaquez and needs to develop.

Celtics Today has a nice package that gets Otto Porter from Toronto for Grant TPE plus 2nd, then flips Porter, Brissett, and Kornet for Olynyk and Micah Potter. That's two trades I would do, and seems like a Brad type of trade. Not sure what else would be needed from Danny. He might have a good enough relationship with Brad to make a friendly deal and help get KO to a contender. Also getting a couple pieces back for future moves.

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So if this is able to be done this is how "monitoring " Olynyk can be a possibility. Other teams have easier salary matches for KO. But if this can be done with the TPE it levels the playing field a bit.

[Hal14]

We were the 8 seed at the time we made those moves. A team that is the 8 seed, sure, they might shake things up at the deadline and turn over quite a bit of their roster to make a splash.

That's VERY different than the position we're in right now - best team in the league, THE favorites to win the title.

It's comparing apples to oranges.

It shows that teams do overhaul the back-end of their rosters, even mid-season. In the most recent 3 seasons we've moved 5 for 2 in the KP/Jrue deals, 5 for 1 in the Brogdon deal and 5 for 2 in the White/Theis deals (which were mid-season).

It's 6 guys who have played only 9% of our minutes. The guy who played the most minutes so far (Kornet at 3%), might have lost his spot to a two-way guy anyway. It's not that big of a shake up. Your core 8 guys stay in place and you improve all your depth options.

It'd be WAY more of a shakeup to move someone currently in our rotation than moving several guys who aren't.

But they don't do it if they are the title favorite. Again, the overhaul we did with the white/theis trades was because we were the 8 seed and needed to make a big splash.

The Jrue, KP and Brogdon trades were offseason deals. That's a very different animal than mid-season trades. Those were also very different scenarios because of the type of player we were getting back in those trades. You're more likely to pull the trigger on a big trade where you lose a bunch of guys if you're getting an all-star like KP, an all-star like Jrue, a guy like D-white (he became our 6th man when we acquired him and was a 27 yr old who still had 3.5 yrs left on his contract) or Brogdon (became our 6th man when we acquired him and was a 28 yr old guy who still had 3 yrs left on his contract). If you getting *that* type of player, then sure, you can move lots of assets in the deal. But if all you're getting is an 8th/9th man who is 32 and on an expiring contract, it's not worth it to turn over 40% of your roster for that type of a return - especially when you're already THE title favorite and your bench is 2nd in net rating and 4th in the league in +/-.

Again, you can keep saying that it makes sense for the title favorite to turn over 40% of the roster in the middle of the season or to trade 5-6 guys for 1 bench player on an expiring contract, but there's just no precedent for it, that I'm aware of.

Even if the guys you're trading haven't gotten a lot of playing time, they're still human beings that you invested in during the offseason, during training camp and so far this season, you built those relationships, they learned our systems/schemes, they competed with the Celtics uniform on. This isn't a video game, it's not fantasy basketball. Also, another reason why these types of trades (just shipping off the worst 5-6 players on your roster to get a quality rotation player in return) doesn't happen is because why the hell would another team want to take on all of our bench of the bench guys? That GM would get a bad rep around the league - GM's for playoff teams would be pissed that that GM just handed over a quality rotation player to the team that already was THE title favorites (the optics will look even worse if that GM used to work for the team they're trading that player to for like 20 years). That team won't have the open roster spots to take on 4 or 5 new players mid-season. And it's not like we can just look in a 3rd/4th team to take on all of our end of bench scrubs - why would all of these other random teams involve themselves in a trade where all they get is Svi or Banton and they are simply helping the title favorite to get another quality rotation player for basically nothing?

These are the types of moves that contenders make mid-season. Posted as a spoiler, since I already posted it recently in this tread:

Spoiler:

2023 Nuggets - all they did for mid-season moves was flipping Bones Hyland (who they had to move because he was a 2nd yr bench player whining about playing time) for Reggie Jackson.

2022 Warriors - did nothing at the deadline that i'm aware of. Scooped up Gary Payton II early in the season out of the G League. Perhaps didn't feel the need to tinker anymore since they knew they had a good team and getting Klay back from injury halfway through the season was kind of like trading for a player.

2021 Bucks - traded for PJ Tucker. A minor move. Nothing too major. 4 total players were involved in the deal. And PJ Tucker was only making like $6 mil that season so they were able to get him without giving up too many players.

2021 Suns - traded cash for Torrey Craig. That's it..they made the NBA finals!

2020 Lakers - during summer when league was on COVID break, they signed JR Smith, but only to take the place of Avery Bradley who was injured. Also signed Markieff Morris as a FA, after Pistons waived him.

2019 - Raptors - traded for Marc Gasol. 4 total players involved in the deal. And Gasol would be their starting C. So it's not like they traded 5 or 6 guys for a 3rd string big man..

2019 Warriors - signed Bogut as a FA in March...that's it lol

2018 warriors - no notable in-season moves

Title favorites typically stand pat at the trade deadline, or make a minor move.

[Hal14]

This is hilarious because it's such deja vu re: when people were trying to tell me the same sorts of arguments prior to the Brogdon trade. It's as if the Lakers didn't just make a trade with five players last deadline, double-digit guys moved in total, I'm not sure why I'm even having this discussion.

Of course the obvious retorts are obvious, well they were a fringe, conference finalist contender, not a "real' contender. Obvious retort to that being very few teams are true contenders so everything is rare since we are talking about a very small sample.

The real big difference to the Brogdon trade was I was pretty confident at that time they needed more shooting/scoring and more ball handling. This year it's not apparent that they do need anything specific and if they do, what that specific need is.

The Lakers didn't pay 5 teams to take 5 minimum salary players though just so they can pay to obtain the 8th man who can play 15 minutes a game.

The Lakers were also the 12 seed when they made the trade for Hachimura last season. Not even a play-in team, so they had to really shake things up BIG, especially with lebron/AD's title window closing quickly.

Again, that's a *much* different scenario than the celtics are in right now, best team in the league, the title favorite with a bench that is #2 in net rating and #4 in +/-.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

How good they have the buyout market been for the Celtics?

Not at all, get real, forget the buyout market, they haven't gotten anything useful for years.

No, they must go out and get do a trade, it is the only way for them to get a bench where they'll have players who in the playoffs can contribute on the road no Celtics fans should trust Sam house on the road in the playoffs. this year with Prichard who's been very good and I think has passed Hauser, so many of you want to just dump Pritch when he has one of the best contracts in the NBA and has actually outperformed his contract if you think about it.

You cannot win a title with houser in the playoffs and that's that you can if you use him in a trade to get someone of his ilk who is a better quality and who can shoot consistently on the road and that would be all in it or Olynik

[BK_2020]

How good they have the buyout market been for the Celtics?

Not at all, get real, forget the buyout market, they haven't gotten anything useful for years.

No, they must go out and get do a trade, it is the only way for them to get a bench where they'll have players who in the playoffs can contribute on the road no Celtics fans should trust Sam house on the road in the playoffs. this year with Prichard who's been very good and I think has passed Hauser, so many of you want to just dump Pritch when he has one of the best contracts in the NBA and has actually outperformed his contract if you think about it.

You cannot win a title with houser in the playoffs and that's that you can if you use him in a trade to get someone of his ilk who is a better quality and who can shoot consistently on the road and that would be all in it or Olynik

Didn't we get Greg Monroe as a buyout

[KillahGhostface]

House Hauser Houser Olynik

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

I apologize for the poor translator quality, I trapped inside a hospital bed, I love St Elizabeth in Brighton, except when the damn nurse is wrapping my feet too roughly and I'm screaming out in pain while trying to form a message.


Should I include the screams in the post?


Okay, like the 2008 team with various guys like Eddie House.

I want Olynik.


Stop being Wawa babies and trade for Kelly o, it's completely the right thing to do even if it may be a difficult exchange even if you may have to take the tpe go out and pick up a player out there for $6 million and use it in a Kelly old Ray you've got one chance this year to get Kelly before the new restrictions occur and you should use it you should do it you should give up the first and don't look back you're there to win now so when now stop being babies

[Memokerobi]

I think the best 3-D player out there is or will be soon enough is Trey Murphy III. Very consistent. Doesn't need to ball much. Shoots near 50 + 45 from 2 and 3... N.O doesn't start him so maybe he can be had for a 1st and Grant TPE.. If he rotated with Tatum and Brown I would be pumped.

If there's 1 player on the Pelicans roster who's untouchable, it's Trey Murphy. People around the league who are in the know, say he is a STUD who would go in the top 6 in a 2021 re-draft. As soon as he's eligible, he's getting a max extension and will be in New Orleans for a long time.

No way we're getting Murphy. Naji Marshall is probably the only realistic target from NO

[BK_2020]

Stop being Wawa babies and trade for Kelly o, it's completely the right thing to do even if it may be a difficult exchange even if you may have to take the tpe go out and pick up a player out there for $6 million and use it in a Kelly old Ray you've got one chance this year to get Kelly before the new restrictions occur and you should use it you should do it you should give up the first and don't look back you're there to win now so when now stop being babies

You can't do that because it's against the rules.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

No half Mike mascula measures this season you go full out I'm bringing in and quality player now

[Memokerobi]

This is hilarious because it's such deja vu re: when people were trying to tell me the same sorts of arguments prior to the Brogdon trade. It's as if the Lakers didn't just make a trade with five players last deadline, double-digit guys moved in total, I'm not sure why I'm even having this discussion.

Of course the obvious retorts are obvious, well they were a fringe, conference finalist contender, not a "real' contender. Obvious retort to that being very few teams are true contenders so everything is rare since we are talking about a very small sample.

The real big difference to the Brogdon trade was I was pretty confident at that time they needed more shooting/scoring and more ball handling. This year it's not apparent that they do need anything specific and if they do, what that specific need is.

The trade itself is definitely plausible but people are rightly questioning why the Cs would/should go to that extent to get a 7th-8th player type of guy who would cost millions of extra dollars if you take him on at his current salary

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Stop being Wawa babies and trade for Kelly o, it's completely the right thing to do even if it may be a difficult exchange even if you may have to take the tpe go out and pick up a player out there for $6 million and use it in a Kelly old Ray you've got one chance this year to get Kelly before the new restrictions occur and you should use it you should do it you should give up the first and don't look back you're there to win now so when now stop being babies

You can't do that because it's against the rules.

Has to be a way of getting Kelly that will abide by the rules somehow it has to be one way of doing it that's why Mike Zarron is going to get making a big bucks.