Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24 – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET)

[BK_2020]

Kelly Olynyk is probably not the direction we go since there's too much noise about it. Brad always pulls off something unexpected.

[ConstableGeneva]

Sorry to disappoint guys, we're just waiving Svi, signing DJ Augustin, and bringing Blake Griffin back. Those are our big midseason moves.

[165bows]

MIN posters from the t/t suggesting Kyle Anderson could be more available than it seems. Individual names aside, still not sure what position is best to upgrade. 5/4, 4/5, or combo guard.

Say eg Olynyk v. Caruso v. Anderson.

[hugepatsfan]

I'm really more interested in a stretch 4/big wing type than I am another center. We went to the finals with that Horford/RWilliams pairing and I think everyone has been chasing that double-big high since then. I get it, but I'm just not sure how feasible it ever will be. That was 2 years ago... Horford is at an age where 2 years is a real factor. And he was exceptionally well-rested that year coming off of his OKC half rest year. He's never going to be as effective as a perimeter defender as he was then. And healthy Rob Williams was another freak of nature himself. I just don't think we're ever going to be able to re-create that dynamic again. It was so crazy rare for us to have two guys as versatile as that in the front court and one of them be a reliable 3 point shooter and both of them to be quality passers. It takes special players to make double big work on not just one but both ends of the court. Small sample size, but numbers already tell that the Horford/Porzingis pairing isn't the juggernaut that Horford/RWilliams was because older Al and KP can't match that footspeed that young Al/RW had.

I think trying to trade for another big man to make 2-big lineups more viable for extended minutes is fool's gold. I don't think we're going to be able to land a caliber of big man to justify playing that much 2-big. Players with those unique skill sets will be above our price range (probably both in terms of picks and salary). I think Horford/KP splitting the minutes at the 5 and then sharing time together when the matchup calls for it is more than enough big man depth. Our "need" there would just be for regular season load management coverage and then potentially filling in for 10-15 minutes in a playoff game where one of Al/KP misses.

Combo guard is another popular target, but I think we'd be better off with a stretch 4. If we have to sit Pritchard because of size concerns, I think going to another guard will, in many cases, just give you the same problem. I'd rather go with a stretch 4, kick Tatum to 3/Brown to 2/ and have one of White/Holiday at PG.

I just think Kyle Anderson or someone in that mold checks all the boxes for you. A playoff rotation with him added could be:

PG: Holiday (35), White (13)
SG: White (22), Brown (26)
SF: Brown (12), Hauser (18), Tatum (18)
PF: Tatum (22), Anderson (20), Horford (6)
C: Porzingis (33), Horford (15)

You can insert Pritchard back into the rotation either for Hauser or by shedding a minute or two off of everyone else. You can cut Hauser out and scale others up a bit. You can play bigger or smaller. I just think a stretch 4 type would really open up the full lineup possibilities to go matchup by matchup. Another center just opens up 2-big possibilities for more minutes than I think we'll realistically need.

[Cricket23]

Not a trade proposal but wondering if a maneuver like this is legal.

Boston trades 24 1st, 24 2nd, and Kornet to Utah for Kris Dunn.

Afterwards Utah buys out Olynyk with the idea that he signs with Boston.

[BK_2020]

Not a trade proposal but wondering if a maneuver like this is legal.

Boston trades 24 1st, 24 2nd, and Kornet to Utah for Kris Dunn.

Afterwards Utah buys out Olynyk with the idea that he signs with Boston.

Probably not allowed but more importantly, what if Olynyk signs with Miami or the Sixers?

[hugepatsfan]

Not a trade proposal but wondering if a maneuver like this is legal.

Boston trades 24 1st, 24 2nd, and Kornet to Utah for Kris Dunn.

Afterwards Utah buys out Olynyk with the idea that he signs with Boston.

A backdoor deal like that would be very illegal. Such a gross overpayment for Kris Dunn would obviously trigger an investigation by the NBA. I guess yeah in theory they could agree to that and put the responsibility on the NBA to prove it. But hard to see a scenario where the NBA wouldn't drop the hammer on such blatant skirting the rules.

[Cricket23]

Not a trade proposal but wondering if a maneuver like this is legal.

Boston trades 24 1st, 24 2nd, and Kornet to Utah for Kris Dunn.

Afterwards Utah buys out Olynyk with the idea that he signs with Boston.

Probably not allowed but more importantly, what if Olynyk signs with Miami or the Sixers?

Of course Boston would have to get some assurance first.

[Cricket23]

Not a trade proposal but wondering if a maneuver like this is legal.

Boston trades 24 1st, 24 2nd, and Kornet to Utah for Kris Dunn.

Afterwards Utah buys out Olynyk with the idea that he signs with Boston.

A backdoor deal like that would be very illegal. Such a gross overpayment for Kris Dunn would obviously trigger an investigation by the NBA. I guess yeah in theory they could agree to that and put the responsibility on the NBA to prove it. But hard to see a scenario where the NBA wouldn't drop the hammer on such blatant skirting the rules.

It does sound illegal

[celtxman]

Stop being Wawa babies and trade for Kelly o, it's completely the right thing to do even if it may be a difficult exchange even if you may have to take the tpe go out and pick up a player out there for $6 million and use it in a Kelly old Ray you've got one chance this year to get Kelly before the new restrictions occur and you should use it you should do it you should give up the first and don't look back you're there to win now so when now stop being babies

You can't do that because it's against the rules.

I've read that a team over the cap has to wait two months before they can trade a player they traded for. So if the Celtics ever had an idea to use the TPE in this way, that ship has sailed. So realistically it would be Brad and Danny working it out down the road. Remember Ainge facilitated a championship for Detroit in his early days by getting Chucky Atkins and Lindsay Hunter in the three team trade that gift wrapped a championship with Rasheed Wallace....and Ainge never got any thing for it. So a small favor in the future could get it done in a buyout.

[165bows]

I'm really more interested in a stretch 4/big wing type than I am another center. We went to the finals with that Horford/RWilliams pairing and I think everyone has been chasing that double-big high since then. I get it, but I'm just not sure how feasible it ever will be. That was 2 years ago... Horford is at an age where 2 years is a real factor. And he was exceptionally well-rested that year coming off of his OKC half rest year. He's never going to be as effective as a perimeter defender as he was then. And healthy Rob Williams was another freak of nature himself. I just don't think we're ever going to be able to re-create that dynamic again. It was so crazy rare for us to have two guys as versatile as that in the front court and one of them be a reliable 3 point shooter and both of them to be quality passers. It takes special players to make double big work on not just one but both ends of the court. Small sample size, but numbers already tell that the Horford/Porzingis pairing isn't the juggernaut that Horford/RWilliams was because older Al and KP can't match that footspeed that young Al/RW had.

I think trying to trade for another big man to make 2-big lineups more viable for extended minutes is fool's gold. I don't think we're going to be able to land a caliber of big man to justify playing that much 2-big. Players with those unique skill sets will be above our price range (probably both in terms of picks and salary). I think Horford/KP splitting the minutes at the 5 and then sharing time together when the matchup calls for it is more than enough big man depth. Our "need" there would just be for regular season load management coverage and then potentially filling in for 10-15 minutes in a playoff game where one of Al/KP misses.

Combo guard is another popular target, but I think we'd be better off with a stretch 4. If we have to sit Pritchard because of size concerns, I think going to another guard will, in many cases, just give you the same problem. I'd rather go with a stretch 4, kick Tatum to 3/Brown to 2/ and have one of White/Holiday at PG.

I just think Kyle Anderson or someone in that mold checks all the boxes for you. A playoff rotation with him added could be:

PG: Holiday (35), White (13)
SG: White (22), Brown (26)
SF: Brown (12), Hauser (18), Tatum (18)
PF: Tatum (22), Anderson (20), Horford (6)
C: Porzingis (33), Horford (15)

You can insert Pritchard back into the rotation either for Hauser or by shedding a minute or two off of everyone else. You can cut Hauser out and scale others up a bit. You can play bigger or smaller. I just think a stretch 4 type would really open up the full lineup possibilities to go matchup by matchup. Another center just opens up 2-big possibilities for more minutes than I think we'll realistically need.

It’s definitely an interesting idea. I think it helps the defense a lot depending on matchups to have another good defender with size.

I do think he’d be more of a fit with KP than Al, since he’s also not much of a scorer. Or as a small ball center which would be another look than they have currently. Also seems like his soft scoring output has been even weaker this year, so that’s something that’s a bit off-putting if it doesn’t bounce back.

[chrisab123]

Sorry to disappoint guys, we're just waiving Svi, signing DJ Augustin, and bringing Blake Griffin back. Those are our big midseason moves.

Well...there is this retired Hall of Famer who wants a 10 day contract...

I mean for nostalgic purposes 1 game couldn't hurt haha.

[ConstableGeneva]

Another guy I'd monitor is Delon Wright. Expiring contract that might get bought out if he demands to play for a contender. Like Burks, only 32 once the playoffs start. Santi Aldama is a nice KO alternative but I'd be surprised if the Grizz deal a young prospect like him for fodder and 2nds. I'd also look for someone who has playoff experience just 'cos Joe seems like a guy who trusts his vets more. Anyone interested in Jamychal Green? Lol.

[ConstableGeneva]

Sorry to disappoint guys, we're just waiving Svi, signing DJ Augustin, and bringing Blake Griffin back. Those are our big midseason moves.

Well...there is this retired Hall of Famer who wants a 10 day contract...

I mean for nostalgic purposes 1 game couldn't hurt haha.

Joe Johnson shot 100% from the field for the Celtics at age 40. Beat that, Bron!

Watch on YouTube

[165bows]

Trading for Miles Bridges seems like something Daryl Morey would do.

[Hal14]

I'm really more interested in a stretch 4/big wing type than I am another center. We went to the finals with that Horford/RWilliams pairing and I think everyone has been chasing that double-big high since then. I get it, but I'm just not sure how feasible it ever will be. That was 2 years ago... Horford is at an age where 2 years is a real factor. And he was exceptionally well-rested that year coming off of his OKC half rest year. He's never going to be as effective as a perimeter defender as he was then. And healthy Rob Williams was another freak of nature himself. I just don't think we're ever going to be able to re-create that dynamic again. It was so crazy rare for us to have two guys as versatile as that in the front court and one of them be a reliable 3 point shooter and both of them to be quality passers. It takes special players to make double big work on not just one but both ends of the court. Small sample size, but numbers already tell that the Horford/Porzingis pairing isn't the juggernaut that Horford/RWilliams was because older Al and KP can't match that footspeed that young Al/RW had.

I think trying to trade for another big man to make 2-big lineups more viable for extended minutes is fool's gold. I don't think we're going to be able to land a caliber of big man to justify playing that much 2-big. Players with those unique skill sets will be above our price range (probably both in terms of picks and salary). I think Horford/KP splitting the minutes at the 5 and then sharing time together when the matchup calls for it is more than enough big man depth. Our "need" there would just be for regular season load management coverage and then potentially filling in for 10-15 minutes in a playoff game where one of Al/KP misses.

Combo guard is another popular target, but I think we'd be better off with a stretch 4. If we have to sit Pritchard because of size concerns, I think going to another guard will, in many cases, just give you the same problem. I'd rather go with a stretch 4, kick Tatum to 3/Brown to 2/ and have one of White/Holiday at PG.

I just think Kyle Anderson or someone in that mold checks all the boxes for you. A playoff rotation with him added could be:

PG: Holiday (35), White (13)
SG: White (22), Brown (26)
SF: Brown (12), Hauser (18), Tatum (18)
PF: Tatum (22), Anderson (20), Horford (6)
C: Porzingis (33), Horford (15)

You can insert Pritchard back into the rotation either for Hauser or by shedding a minute or two off of everyone else. You can cut Hauser out and scale others up a bit. You can play bigger or smaller. I just think a stretch 4 type would really open up the full lineup possibilities to go matchup by matchup. Another center just opens up 2-big possibilities for more minutes than I think we'll realistically need.

Sure, sounds nice in theory. Let's just grab one of the best role player/glue guys in the league. And all we give up is some end of the bench scrubs and draft compensation.

But why the heck would minnesota do that? Minnesota is trying to win. Minnesota is the no. 1 seed in the west, by a game and a half.

Let's be realistic here.

You really think the top seed in the west is going to trade one of the best role players in the league to the top seed in the east and get nothing back in return?

Also, a little odd to use the term "stretch 4" four times in your post when talking about acquiring Kyle Anderson. Stretch 4 to me implies he can stretch the floor with shooting. But Kyle Anderson is shooting 9% from 3 this season. Only a career 71% shooter from the FT line and his 3 pt volume is going down every season - last 4 seasons his 3PA/100 possessions has gone from 6.6 to 3.5 to only 1.6 this season. That's extremely low volume over the past 3 seasons - anything lower than 4 3PA/100 possessions is basically a non-shooter..

[BK_2020]

We should just get Gallo back.

[brackdan70]

MIN posters from the t/t suggesting Kyle Anderson could be more available than it seems. Individual names aside, still not sure what position is best to upgrade. 5/4, 4/5, or combo guard.

Say eg Olynyk v. Caruso v. Anderson.

Anderson can play 1-4…sort of.
Maybe he hits all needs.

[Hal14]

All I'm saying is, just because Shams went on a fancy video/podcast thing and announced the Celtics are going to "aggressively pursue bench help ahead of the trade deadline" does not mean we will.

Shams is the same guy who said "a number of teams will now look to sign Dwight Howard" this offseason after the Warriors had Dwight in for a workout and decided to pass on him.

Shams also said the Nets were gonna hire Udoka as their HC.

Shams also reported that the Miami Heat had trade interest in literally every player in the league who has a pulse over the past few years.

Like, sometimes he just says things and it's just a rumor - nothing more..

I'm sure Brad is making some calls and seeing what he can do to improve the roster. Just saying that we shouldn't get our hopes up that he's gonna make some *big* move for a player making $10+ mil a year or someone we'd need to trade a ton of picks or half our roster in order to acquire..

[Celts17Pride]

Honestly wouldn't be shocked to start hearing Kevin Durant rumors to Philly over the next month. Philly has the contracts and Durant has already started his whining.