Does literally anyone want John Collins

[babyjax13]

I kind of like him for Detroit, but it’s Bagley/Harris and some heavily protected second round pick. Or maybe the Pistons use the money difference to take on someone for a small asset to give to Utah

Tbh I think Bagleys contract is worse than Collins'. Not expecting a ton to make up that difference but a single protected second is am easy no.

After this season, and assuming John Collins takes his PO (why wouldn't he?), he is owed $53M for 2 years. On the open market, would he even get half that?

After this season, Bagley is owed $12.5M for 1 year. He probably deserves the min.

I'll agree that Bagley is bad money, but he's nowhere near as much bad money as Collins

Sure, next season Bagley has one season left. But he's also being paid this year, too. I think 40/2 is pretty reasonable for Collins, so even then the overpay is about the same but spread over two years. Again, not asking for the world to fill the difference, but not doing something like Harris and Bagley straight across.

[psman2]

If Toronto isn’t looking to tank strongly, maybe they take back Collins in whatever Pascal trade instead of whatever salary it was going to be? Collins is overpaid, but Toronto will have tax room if Pascal is traded..

Memphis has two injured bigs and a really great defensive big.. maybe a deal there? Salaries work pretty well but would be shortsighted IMO.

I have contemplated adding him as well, but the money is really scary when you look at our books. Our owner has stated the tax is not a big concern, but taking on this size of contract and zooming towards/past the 2nd tax line is not something to take lightly for a player that is clearly trending down. His inability to be even close to a positive on the court impact player for a team like Utah is concerning, but some of that concern can be viewed as circumstantial. He really needs the offense generated for him at a very high level, if he can get back with a strong playmaker that likes the PNR and he keeps shooting % high then maybe he can play up to his contract.

So maybe if his shooting stayed high in Atlanta his value would not have plummeted (finger injury is a valid excuse), and/or maybe if he was traded to a different team that had a strong vet playmaker he would be having a stronger year playing for a team that is playing for something more than Utah is. A lot of plausible excuses for his current performances, but still hard to not be very hesitant taking on that size of contract for what amounts to in the best case scenario your 5th starter.

Clarke is actually on pace now to return for us at the all star break, so he could be the boost we need anyways. I think we likely let the season unfold until we see where we are at the trade deadline and then make a decision then based on our record/needs. If you trade for Collins and he continues his trend down then he becomes a trade anchor that you have to attach real assets to just to viewed as neutral, I think I rather ride out a guy like Kennard that has a team option right now than hope that the excuses surrounding Collins are valid.

I do think some team will give Collins one more shot to start, it just has to be the right team. A team that likely is not scheduled to be a FA player in the next two seasons but doesn't have tax concerns. Team needs a strong playmaker as well and disposable matching contracts. So Toronto could be a nice landing spot as you alluded to if they reshape the roster a bit, as well as LAC who just doesn't care about the tax. Likely a few more teams fall into that category...not a bat fit next to Bam in Miami. Maybe Clev if they move on from Allen. Not the worst fit as the 3rd big for the Knicks. I wouldn't hate him next to AD in LA.

[Ell Curry]

Hard to see past Chicago or Brooklyn with the Lonzo and Simmons' contracts.

Lonzo for Collins would save Utah money after next summer and the Bulls have the space at the 4, for instance.

Don't see the Knicks doing Fournier for Collins, though it would help them this season with Mitchell Robinson out.

I guess Collins for Micic and Bertans works, and maybe OKC can handle the money the next 2 years and then Collins expires as guys like Jalen Williams, Giddey (?) and Chet get big extensions, but they could also just give Hartenstein like 30M over 2 years this summer. But Collins can shoot which helps.

As a Raps fan I could talk myself into something like this if Siakam and OG are staying around, though overall this is probably the wrong direction to go.

OKC - Poeltl, TOR 2nd, UTA 2nd
Utah - Bertans
Toronto - Collins, OKC protected 1st

A stretchier 5 to help Barnes and Siakam (Poeltl with them just isn't working) and a first. OKC gets a solid center for their worst first rounder (with 2 2nds coming back) and Utah gets off the Collins deal for only a 2nd rounder.

[oldncreaky]

Hard to see past Chicago or Brooklyn with the Lonzo and Simmons' contracts.

Lonzo for Collins would save Utah money after next summer and the Bulls have the space at the 4, for instance.

Don't see the Knicks doing Fournier for Collins, though it would help them this season with Mitchell Robinson out.

I guess Collins for Micic and Bertans works, and maybe OKC can handle the money the next 2 years and then Collins expires as guys like Jalen Williams, Giddey (?) and Chet get big extensions, but they could also just give Hartenstein like 30M over 2 years this summer. But Collins can shoot which helps.

As a Raps fan I could talk myself into something like this if Siakam and OG are staying around, though overall this is probably the wrong direction to go.

OKC - Poeltl, TOR 2nd, UTA 2nd
Utah - Bertans
Toronto - Collins, OKC protected 1st

A stretchier 5 to help Barnes and Siakam (Poeltl with them just isn't working) and a first. OKC gets a solid center for their worst first rounder (with 2 2nds coming back) and Utah gets off the Collins deal for only a 2nd rounder.

Creative idea on the OKC-Utah-Tor trade

[Knickfan1982]

Hard to see past Chicago or Brooklyn with the Lonzo and Simmons' contracts.

Lonzo for Collins would save Utah money after next summer and the Bulls have the space at the 4, for instance.

Don't see the Knicks doing Fournier for Collins, though it would help them this season with Mitchell Robinson out.

I guess Collins for Micic and Bertans works, and maybe OKC can handle the money the next 2 years and then Collins expires as guys like Jalen Williams, Giddey (?) and Chet get big extensions, but they could also just give Hartenstein like 30M over 2 years this summer. But Collins can shoot which helps.

As a Raps fan I could talk myself into something like this if Siakam and OG are staying around, though overall this is probably the wrong direction to go.

OKC - Poeltl, TOR 2nd, UTA 2nd
Utah - Bertans
Toronto - Collins, OKC protected 1st

A stretchier 5 to help Barnes and Siakam (Poeltl with them just isn't working) and a first. OKC gets a solid center for their worst first rounder (with 2 2nds coming back) and Utah gets off the Collins deal for only a 2nd rounder.

We need to get some sort of compensation for taking on his extra years. I wouldn't be greedy about it but I'd be worried about him becoming grumpy because he's not getting enough touches.

[Ell Curry]

We need to get some sort of compensation for taking on his extra years. I wouldn't be greedy about it but I'd be worried about him becoming grumpy because he's not getting enough touches.

Yeah, Collins makes sense for you if you can just trade him this summer to some team with space in free agency to take on Collins' deal, but I don't know who that is, and you don't want to be stuck paying him if Robinson is back AND you keep Hartenstein. So it would be a risk to take him on.

I'm kinda talking myself into Memphis.

Utah - Brandon Clarke, Thad Young, McDaniels, TOR 2nd, MEM 2nd
Toronto - Kennard
Memphis - Collins

[OGSactownballer]

OP’s sales pitch needs work.

I never thought he fit Utah at all.

Yeah he works best at C on offense but PF on defense. Hard to find a good pairing.

Sacramento with Sabonis?

I’d feel good about it if we were sending pieces and bring him here with the idea that either he or Barnes moves to the bench to provide a much needed second dart scorer for Monk and the second team.

Right now I feel that he would start ahead of Barnes but that could change as we see how things work out. But I do agree that a change of system/position in the lineup (fourth or fifth offensive guy in the starting lineup or 6/7/8 guy off the bench) would have a good chance of restoring his value to the team he is on and any 40% 3pt shooter in our offense is going to have a place. But fit wise it looks pretty good if you look at him as a longer and taller better rebounding stretch PF next to Sabonis. It certainly has the potential to improve the spot for us but the contract is kind of ugly.

One thing to be clear about though. Like it or not, he is NOT - a positive asset on that contract. You are seeing salary relief if you are willing to include a pick. Otherwise you are breaking that contract into smaller pieces and tanking. Those are the realistic options.

[NYG]

Terry Rozier for John Collins?

That’s not bad…Lamelo would make the league’s best lob finisher look great…assuming they’re losing Bridges

This one is growing on me if the Jazz had a follow-up Sexton deal in play

[NYG]

John Collins and Collin Sexton for Alec Burks, James Wiseman and Joe Harris?

[chrbal]

John Collins and Collin Sexton for Alec Burks, James Wiseman and Joe Harris?

I would try to do this with Marvin Bagley replacing Wiseman.

Not that I think Wiseman is a keeper, I just don’t like the idea of having Collins and Bagley as my 4s locked up for two more seasons after this one. While paying Stewart as well.

[NYG]

John Collins and Collin Sexton for Alec Burks, James Wiseman and Joe Harris?

I would try to do this with Marvin Bagley replacing Wiseman.

Not that I think Wiseman is a keeper, I just don’t like the idea of having Collins and Bagley as my 4s locked up for two more seasons after this one. While paying Stewart as well.

Would you replace Harris for Bogdanovic as well in that case?

I kind of like Bogdanovic, Bagley and Burks for Sexton and Collins

[chrbal]

John Collins and Collin Sexton for Alec Burks, James Wiseman and Joe Harris?

I would try to do this with Marvin Bagley replacing Wiseman.

Not that I think Wiseman is a keeper, I just don’t like the idea of having Collins and Bagley as my 4s locked up for two more seasons after this one. While paying Stewart as well.

Would you replace Harris for Bogdanovic as well in that case?

I kind of like Bogdanovic, Bagley and Burks for Sexton and Collins

I would try to use Bojan in a different deal. I don’t really see a huge market for Sexton and Collins at their pay. I would try to do mine with two seconds and cash going to Utah.

Utah gains flexibility and some picks. To me Utah almost undoubtedly includes a 3rd team and try’s to get that team to acquire the expiring players for maybe some more assets and whatever players that team is looking to move on from.

Detroit adds two nba players young enough to help their younger players

[OxAndFox]

Yeah he works best at C on offense but PF on defense. Hard to find a good pairing.

Sacramento with Sabonis?

I’d feel good about it if we were sending pieces and bring him here with the idea that either he or Barnes moves to the bench to provide a much needed second dart scorer for Monk and the second team.

Right now I feel that he would start ahead of Barnes but that could change as we see how things work out. But I do agree that a change of system/position in the lineup (fourth or fifth offensive guy in the starting lineup or 6/7/8 guy off the bench) would have a good chance of restoring his value to the team he is on and any 40% 3pt shooter in our offense is going to have a place. But fit wise it looks pretty good if you look at him as a longer and taller better rebounding stretch PF next to Sabonis. It certainly has the potential to improve the spot for us but the contract is kind of ugly.

One thing to be clear about though. Like it or not, he is NOT - a positive asset on that contract. You are seeing salary relief if you are willing to include a pick. Otherwise you are breaking that contract into smaller pieces and tanking. Those are the realistic options.

I would agree with this for Sacramento. I wouldn't mind to see how he goes with Mike Brown.
I can't see a trade without using Barnes though as Utah wouldn't want Davion in a Huerter/Davion trade so it might need to be a 3 teamer.

[the_process]

Tobias Harris, 3 1sts one that has swap rights attached, and 4 2nds for Collins and Markkanen.

[babyjax13]

We need to get some sort of compensation for taking on his extra years. I wouldn't be greedy about it but I'd be worried about him becoming grumpy because he's not getting enough touches.

Yeah, Collins makes sense for you if you can just trade him this summer to some team with space in free agency to take on Collins' deal, but I don't know who that is, and you don't want to be stuck paying him if Robinson is back AND you keep Hartenstein. So it would be a risk to take him on.

I'm kinda talking myself into Memphis.

Utah - Brandon Clarke, Thad Young, McDaniels, TOR 2nd, MEM 2nd
Toronto - Kennard
Memphis - Collins

From my perspective this looks pretty reasonable even if you take McDaniels out.

[babyjax13]

Sacramento with Sabonis?

I’d feel good about it if we were sending pieces and bring him here with the idea that either he or Barnes moves to the bench to provide a much needed second dart scorer for Monk and the second team.

Right now I feel that he would start ahead of Barnes but that could change as we see how things work out. But I do agree that a change of system/position in the lineup (fourth or fifth offensive guy in the starting lineup or 6/7/8 guy off the bench) would have a good chance of restoring his value to the team he is on and any 40% 3pt shooter in our offense is going to have a place. But fit wise it looks pretty good if you look at him as a longer and taller better rebounding stretch PF next to Sabonis. It certainly has the potential to improve the spot for us but the contract is kind of ugly.

One thing to be clear about though. Like it or not, he is NOT - a positive asset on that contract. You are seeing salary relief if you are willing to include a pick. Otherwise you are breaking that contract into smaller pieces and tanking. Those are the realistic options.

I would agree with this for Sacramento. I wouldn't mind to see how he goes with Mike Brown.
I can't see a trade without using Barnes though as Utah wouldn't want Davion in a Huerter/Davion trade so it might need to be a 3 teamer.

I don't think we'd mind kicking the tires on Davion.

SAC trades: Huerter/Davion
in: Collins, value

Team X trades: filler + 2nd(s) + value
in: Huerter

Utah trades: Collins
in: filler, Davion, 2nd(s)?

Really vague framework. I don't really want Huerter or like him for Utah but I think he fits a bunch of places that would value him.

[babyjax13]

Tobias Harris, 3 1sts one that has swap rights attached, and 4 2nds for Collins and Markkanen.

No. Feels like this is just using Lauri to dump Collins for less value than Lauri should return and that's just a no-go.

[jazzfan1971]

I must be the only one, but I want him on my team.

The biggest problem for Collins right now IMHO is that the Jazz lack a good PnR guard to pair him with. With Keyonte being the only guy on the team that can run a PnR half way correctly. But Keyonte is a young rookie that also needs time to season his game.

I think a year from now Keyonte will be running PnR better for the Jazz and he will be cominging into his own both as a playmaker and a scorer. And as a result we will see John unlocked a bit and his value far exceed what you see in this thread.

[ChettheJet]

I may be in the minority in thinking Collins isn't just dead weight, so be it.
I think he fits right in for the Bulls in exchange for DeRozan. He's got his contract sono pressure to earn the next payday, with the emergence of Coby White, if Lavine is around, Vucevic and a recently improving Williams, Collins could be the 4th or 5th option and not feel pressured to do more. He could be more of a scorer if he's playing with some of the 2nd unit guys. He's signed for a few more years and for the past 20 years we've seen it's hard for the Bulls to sign starting caliber much less top tier FAs.

Need to find that contender who thinks DeRozan fills the scoring need for the rest of the season and has the combination of picks, youth and expiring contracts that UT would like.

Bulls end up with

Williams
Collins Craig
Vucevic Drummond
White Carter
Lavine (for now) Caruso Dosunmu

[eitanr]

John Collins and Collin Sexton for Alec Burks, James Wiseman and Joe Harris?

I would try to do this with Marvin Bagley replacing Wiseman.

Not that I think Wiseman is a keeper, I just don’t like the idea of having Collins and Bagley as my 4s locked up for two more seasons after this one. While paying Stewart as well.

Would you replace Harris for Bogdanovic as well in that case?

I kind of like Bogdanovic, Bagley and Burks for Sexton and Collins

There’s a construct here, but pistons have to find a way to get an asset back that doesn’t impede usage perimeter youth. Can a Bogy for Collins swap net Detroit any firsts back?


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