2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[KnixinSix]

I would not mind a Mitch, RJ, IQ, Fournier and filler for Murray and Hunter trade.

Brunson, Murray, Hunter, Randle, iHart

Can turn around and send Murray for Spida in the off season if it doesn’t work out.

Waaaaay too much for those 2 players.

They toss in Okongwu and maybe we toss in a protected pick or second rounders. It’s a sort of shuffle the decks trade to give both teams pieces that might fit better.

RJ or IQ (not both) plus picks was intended to net us higher tiered players like Donovon Mitchell.

DeJounte as evidenced by him only netting SA 3 unprotected picks after a career year is not quite on the level of DM or Markenen. He does make a pretty good fit here in theory though in terms of Thibs system and roster construction.

If we want a championship we will need a better player than DeJounte in a 2nd trade and should use our better pieces for that trade. DeJounte in theory shouldn't cost more than when he was at a higher level when he was at SA.

[Richard4444]

Two ideas:

(1) Minor trade with the Sixers for Mo Bamba -- thanks to my friend Al for this idea, and I think it's a good one.
- Only 25 years old.
- 7'0" 230 + with great length.
- He'd replace at least some of Mitch's rim protection.
- Has some real offensive ability (he could always shoot the ball -- this extra dimension could help open the floor up even more for the other players).
- If Mitch is gone the rest of the year, i think this guy could be a suitable replacement.
- Could Bamba/Haretenstein be an even better tandem in the middle than Mitch/Haretenstein?
- When he's actually played (Orlando, a little bit for the Sixers now), he's had good moments and has produced.
- You would think it shouldn't take a lot to get him.
- You would think that if we did pull off a trade for him, a majority of our primary assets would still remain intact.

(2) Miles Bridges -- either in a trade before the deadline --OR-- in FA in the off-season. I believe he's an UFA with Bird rights so correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that may mean that if we traded for him, we'd be able to exceed the cap in order to retain him in the off-season. I'm not sure how much $$ we'll have in FA, so I think he'd be more of a trade option.
- I get the problems he's had are major -- would we be able to deal with and move forward with his DV history?
- He's paid a steep price -- has he paid enough?
- Only 25 years old.
- I think he might work best as an RJ Barrett replacement (i.e. acquire Bridges, frees us up to deal Barrett).
- He could play 3 and also slide over and play some backup 4 behind Randle for stretches.
- The Hornets were going nowhere before he got back and haven't been that successful since he's been back. Would they be willing to turn the page from him if they were offered say a solid young player and 2 1st round picks?
- Because of the problems he's had, would he come a little cheaper in a trade and then be a little cheaper to retain in the off-season?
- Not saying I'm 100% sold on the idea of acquiring Miles Bridges -- I'm not! Just kicking the tires on it right now and curious if you all think this could be a unique opportunity to up the talent level, an opportunity that normally wouldn't have been there otherwise.

A guy on the general board wrote that a QO player loses his bird's rights if traded. Nobody disagreed with him. I guess it is true but I did not check it.

[thebuzzardman]

still not sure why we even want murray, he’s a bad fit on this team

Guessing at possible FO motivations: Brunson is the only true 3 level offensive engine on the team. Randle almost. Certainly only one at guard \wing. IQ has some good PG flashes and is a nice player but more a SG. The Knicks have been linked to DMitch, Lavine and now Murray. While I think they need a big wing 3&D, maybe they want that 2nd engine beside Brunson but especially for when he sits. A guess

This is the part I can see the FO agreeing on even though I don’t see Murray as an impact level player. But if I’m going to critique IQ for a minute - I just don’t see PG level creation. He’s capable of making a swing pass and working around a screen but I rarely look at his possessions and think that was a high level set that we ran. IQ is an engine that prefers things to be a little helter-skelter IE: pull up 3s, east/west scrambling, over dribbling and needing to reset 22 feet out. If he can’t get to his desired spot he’ll look to foul bait/create contact. He’s an incredible weapon and probably has so much more potential but he’s more of a natural 2 guard to me.

Exactly

[Iron Mantis]

Knicks have to be looking at the Pistons to see who they pilfer.

Detroit is poised to make a roster move and they want some proven vets.

1) We do not have some proven vets to give away.

2) I am not sure Bojan is a good fit. I fear he turns out to be a PF Fournier. And they will want a FRP to trade him. Burks is redundant for us.

3) We do not need unproven young players. Cade, Ausar, and Duren should be untradable. Isaiah Stewart is an expensive undersized big. Hayes is average at best. Ivey has potential, but he is struggling right now and we have plenty of guards already. Bagley and Wiseman are very weak at D.

I hear you.

However, we're not really sure who is untouchable. Who would have known Haliburton was available? Maybe the Knicks can consolidate and steal some undervalued talent from them.

[sol537]

Waaaaay too much for those 2 players.

They toss in Okongwu and maybe we toss in a protected pick or second rounders. It’s a sort of shuffle the decks trade to give both teams pieces that might fit better.

RJ or IQ (not both) plus picks was intended to net us higher tiered players like Donovon Mitchell.

DeJounte as evidenced by him only netting SA 3 unprotected picks after a career year is not quite on the level of DM or Markenen. He does make a pretty good fit here in theory though in terms of Thibs system and roster construction.

If we want a championship we will need a better player than DeJounte in a 2nd trade and should use our better pieces for that trade. DeJounte in theory shouldn't cost more than when he was at a higher level when he was at SA.

In my scenario above, we hold on to our treasure chest of picks for other potential moves down the road... Brunson + Murray + Hunter + Randle + iHart is potentially better than what we have on offense and defense... we lose some bench punch but that's why you'd have to stagger Brunson and Murray so one of them is always on the floor. And Hunter can better back up Randle at the 4... in addition to his ability to guard bigger 6'8" guys like Tatum, Kawhi, etc.

[KnixinSix]

They toss in Okongwu and maybe we toss in a protected pick or second rounders. It’s a sort of shuffle the decks trade to give both teams pieces that might fit better.

RJ or IQ (not both) plus picks was intended to net us higher tiered players like Donovon Mitchell.

DeJounte as evidenced by him only netting SA 3 unprotected picks after a career year is not quite on the level of DM or Markenen. He does make a pretty good fit here in theory though in terms of Thibs system and roster construction.

If we want a championship we will need a better player than DeJounte in a 2nd trade and should use our better pieces for that trade. DeJounte in theory shouldn't cost more than when he was at a higher level when he was at SA.

In my scenario above, we hold on to our treasure chest of picks for other potential moves down the road... Brunson + Murray + Hunter + Randle + iHart is potentially better than what we have on offense and defense... we lose some bench punch but that's why you'd have to stagger Brunson and Murray so one of them is always on the floor. And Hunter can better back up Randle at the 4... in addition to his ability to guard bigger 6'8" guys like Tatum, Kawhi, etc.

Rj + IQ are a better tandem straight up vs Murray + Hunter. Atlanta is a motivated seller who probably wants out of a 4 year 25M AAV commitment to a non ideal fitting piece in Murray.

Its just too much to give up. At absolute most that trade would include one of them not both of them. And its quite possible it may not include either.

[KnixinSix]

BTW according to Bondy  .....

Rich Paul and Leon Rose are receptive to sitting down and having a meeting, and he was told it could happen soon....

Wonder which player if any has initiated this (probably Murray). This Murray stuff may be picking up steam.

[sol537]

RJ + Mitch + Fournier for Lebron + Hayes + filler... no picks involved.

iHart / Randle / Lebron / IQ / Brunson
Bench: Hayes / Hart / Grimes / DDV

Can Lebron bring a title to NY?

[dakomish23]

Duncd On thinks you can get Ayton for just an expiring contract right now. IDK about that but if he's that cheap and we are desperate for big men...

[KnixinSix]

RJ + Mitch + Fournier for Lebron + Hayes + filler... no picks involved.

iHart / Randle / Lebron / IQ / Brunson
Bench: Hayes / Hart / Grimes / DDV

Can Lebron bring a title to NY?

Why are Lakers giving up LeBron? They are in buy mode as they usually are not sell mode.

[finestrg]

BTW according to Bondy  .....

Rich Paul and Leon Rose are receptive to sitting down and having a meeting, and he was told it could happen soon....

Wonder which player if any has initiated this (probably Murray). This Murray stuff may be picking up steam.

Thats good to hear. Murray, to me, is an all-star level player and would be a big upgrade at SG position right now (I'm hoping we could keep DDV between he and Grimes, though). Very solid 2-way player -- I'm down if we could arrive at a fair deal. I believe Atlanta gave up a practically washed up Gallinari, 3 1st round picks and a pick swap. I'm hoping we could offer a younger/better rotation player than Gallinari at this point (Grimes?) and equal the 3 1st rounders and pick swap. Could that get it done? Are any of our 1st rounders as good as the ones Atlanta gave up to get Murray? That's a big question...

Another question I'd have with Brunson, Marray, Randle and Barrett -- is there gonna be enough shots for all of these guys to go around?

[finestrg]

Two ideas:

(1) Minor trade with the Sixers for Mo Bamba -- thanks to my friend Al for this idea, and I think it's a good one.
- Only 25 years old.
- 7'0" 230 + with great length.
- He'd replace at least some of Mitch's rim protection.
- Has some real offensive ability (he could always shoot the ball -- this extra dimension could help open the floor up even more for the other players).
- If Mitch is gone the rest of the year, i think this guy could be a suitable replacement.
- Could Bamba/Haretenstein be an even better tandem in the middle than Mitch/Haretenstein?
- When he's actually played (Orlando, a little bit for the Sixers now), he's had good moments and has produced.
- You would think it shouldn't take a lot to get him.
- You would think that if we did pull off a trade for him, a majority of our primary assets would still remain intact.

(2) Miles Bridges -- either in a trade before the deadline --OR-- in FA in the off-season. I believe he's an UFA with Bird rights so correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that may mean that if we traded for him, we'd be able to exceed the cap in order to retain him in the off-season. I'm not sure how much $$ we'll have in FA, so I think he'd be more of a trade option.
- I get the problems he's had are major -- would we be able to deal with and move forward with his DV history?
- He's paid a steep price -- has he paid enough?
- Only 25 years old.
- I think he might work best as an RJ Barrett replacement (i.e. acquire Bridges, frees us up to deal Barrett).
- He could play 3 and also slide over and play some backup 4 behind Randle for stretches.
- The Hornets were going nowhere before he got back and haven't been that successful since he's been back. Would they be willing to turn the page from him if they were offered say a solid young player and 2 1st round picks?
- Because of the problems he's had, would he come a little cheaper in a trade and then be a little cheaper to retain in the off-season?
- Not saying I'm 100% sold on the idea of acquiring Miles Bridges -- I'm not! Just kicking the tires on it right now and curious if you all think this could be a unique opportunity to up the talent level, an opportunity that normally wouldn't have been there otherwise.

A guy on the general board wrote that a QO player loses his bird's rights if traded. Nobody disagreed with him. I guess it is true but I did not check it.

Interesting.. Thanks for clarifying Rich.

I also didn't realize Embiid is out right now with an ankle problem, so that could explain Bamba's increased PT and production. The Sixers would probably be more inclined to hold onto Bamba right now..

Two other big big men that are possibilities: Wendell Carter Jr. (15/10 starting-caliber C who i think is capable of even more than that if given more shots) and Thomas Bryant (not quite on Carter's level, more on Mo Bamba's level, but intriguing. I really wanted him last off-season esp. considering what Miami signed him for. Miami knows we could use another C right now so not sure how fair their asking price would be or if they'd even want to trade him to the Knicks...

[KnixinSix]

BTW according to Bondy  .....

Rich Paul and Leon Rose are receptive to sitting down and having a meeting, and he was told it could happen soon....

Wonder which player if any has initiated this (probably Murray). This Murray stuff may be picking up steam.

Thanks good to hear. Murray, to me, is an all-star level player and would be a big upgrade at SG position right now (I'm hoping we could keep DDV between he and Grimes, though). Very solid 2-way player.

The question I have is with Brunson, Marray, Randle and Barrett -- is there gonna be enough shots for all of these guys?

IQ was taking a number of shots himself and he either goes in that trade or a subsequent one.

[Richard4444]

Knicks have to be looking at the Pistons to see who they pilfer.

Detroit is poised to make a roster move and they want some proven vets.

1) We do not have some proven vets to give away.

2) I am not sure Bojan is a good fit. I fear he turns out to be a PF Fournier. And they will want a FRP to trade him. Burks is redundant for us.

3) We do not need unproven young players. Cade, Ausar, and Duren should be untradable. Isaiah Stewart is an expensive undersized big. Hayes is average at best. Ivey has potential, but he is struggling right now and we have plenty of guards already. Bagley and Wiseman are very weak at D.

I hear you.

However, we're not really sure who is untouchable. Who would have known Haliburton was available? Maybe the Knicks can consolidate and steal some undervalued talent from them.

You are right about Haliburton. But Sabonis was untouchable too. It was untouchable for another untouchable kind of trade.

Here only Brunson would be untouchable. I do not think even Grimes is.

I think you are hopeful they trade Duren or Ausar for Randle or IQ kind of deal. I do not share this hope.

First, they want vets but to add and upgrade their promising young core. I do not think they will replace a promising young core (or a part of that) for some vets. It would not make sense to trade great potential for so-so reality if their target is to compete in 3 years or more. They can trade not-so-great potential young players (Hayes, Ivey, Stewart, Wiseman, Bagley) or vets (Burks, Bojan) plus picks (although they are limited by the pick we own) to some starters.

Second, we are trying to compete. We need win-now players. We will not trade Randle for some high-potential talent because Randle is a reality.

[Jalen Bluntson]

17-12 in a 4 team battle for the 4 seed. Currently 6 seed. I don't see any trade that really changes anything. We aren't getting Lauri. It's a lateral trade for Murray when we have IQ. What other players are worth getting that would improve us enough to contend? I'm fine with doing nothing much bigger than a depth move up front. With Taj here now, I wonder what they will do there as well. Should have signed him sooner.

[dakomish23]

RJ + Mitch + Fournier for Lebron + Hayes + filler... no picks involved.

iHart / Randle / Lebron / IQ / Brunson
Bench: Hayes / Hart / Grimes / DDV

Can Lebron bring a title to NY?

Why are Lakers giving up LeBron? They are in buy mode as they usually are not sell mode.

To make the anti RJ club happy

RJ for DLo Rui. Start Hart and make Grimes the back up 3. Get a backup PF. Maybe flip DLo or if not see if he fits in off the bench.

Brunson DLo
IQ DDV
Hart Grimes
Randle Rui
Hartenstein

to close out the season

[spree2kawhi]

17-12 in a 4 team battle for the 4 seed. Currently 6 seed. I don't see any trade that really changes anything. We aren't getting Lauri. It's a lateral trade for Murray when we have IQ. What other players are worth getting that would improve us enough to contend? I'm fine with doing nothing much bigger than a depth move up front. With Taj here now, I wonder what they will do here as well. Should have signed him sooner.

It’s hard to imagine anything that makes sense. Keldon Johnson is a bench player for SA now. I think that’s interesting. OG still makes sense. DeRozan might be our target and I like him as a player. I also love Vucevic as a passing big man. Jerami Grant isn’t playing too well but he’s still an incredible fit. These are the apparent choices when looking at seemingly available players.

Maybe some seemingly untouchable players aren’t really untouchable:

I wonder if Sacramento would trade Keegan Murray - quick answer is no, but what would it take?

Would Minnesota really turn down Randle and IQ for KAT? They would look good with that lineup given that KAT and Gobert are a slow tandem.

But that’s already all I could think of… there are teams that could use our players, but for streaky shooters nobody is going to pay a fortune.

[Reign23]

RJ + Mitch + Fournier for Lebron + Hayes + filler... no picks involved.

iHart / Randle / Lebron / IQ / Brunson
Bench: Hayes / Hart / Grimes / DDV

Can Lebron bring a title to NY?

Why are Lakers giving up LeBron? They are in buy mode as they usually are not sell mode.

To make the anti RJ club happy

RJ for DLo Rui. Start Hart and make Grimes the back up 3. Get a backup PF. Maybe flip DLo or if not see if he fits in off the bench.

Brunson DLo
IQ DDV
Hart Grimes
Randle Rui
Hartenstein

to close out the season

oh not you too...

[HarthorneWingo]

17-12 in a 4 team battle for the 4 seed. Currently 6 seed. I don't see any trade that really changes anything. We aren't getting Lauri. It's a lateral trade for Murray when we have IQ. What other players are worth getting that would improve us enough to contend? I'm fine with doing nothing much bigger than a depth move up front. With Taj here now, I wonder what they will do there as well. Should have signed him sooner.

15-8 since the first six games (2-4) when Randle was struggling.

[Jalen Bluntson]

17-12 in a 4 team battle for the 4 seed. Currently 6 seed. I don't see any trade that really changes anything. We aren't getting Lauri. It's a lateral trade for Murray when we have IQ. What other players are worth getting that would improve us enough to contend? I'm fine with doing nothing much bigger than a depth move up front. With Taj here now, I wonder what they will do here as well. Should have signed him sooner.

It’s hard to imagine anything that makes sense. Keldon Johnson is a bench player for SA now. I think that’s interesting. OG still makes sense. DeRozan might be our target and I like him as a player. I also love Vucevic as a passing big man. Jerami Grant isn’t playing too well but he’s still an incredible fit. These are the apparent choices when looking at seemingly available players.

Maybe some seemingly untouchable players aren’t really untouchable:

I wonder if Sacramento would trade Keegan Murray - quick answer is no, but what would it take?

Would Minnesota really turn down Randle and IQ for KAT? They would look good with that lineup given that KAT and Gobert are a slow tandem.

But that’s already all I could think of… there are teams that could use our players, but for streaky shooters nobody is going to pay a fortune.

I think a lot depends on what they plan to do with IQ. I think they are open to a trade. It's hard to imagine them not wanting to pay him, brining in DDV, now we here Murray smoke. Even without the Murray talk I still think they are open to a trade. I would keep IQ myself and there's a chance we may still. I just think the obvious answer is he's gonna be in a trade. For who IDK but, there's a deadline coming soon enough.