2023-2024 Regular Season Game 30: Philadelphia 76ers (20-9) at Orlando Magic (18-11) - 7pm

[ibraheim718]

Same problem rearing it's head again, the shooting problem has to be addressed soon...

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Bro... Houstan 40% from 3 Suggs 37% from 3 and Banchero 38% from 3.

You do realizethe Magic are a bottom 3, 3 point shooting team. This team is a horrendous shooting team right now.

I'll disagree with you guys until the sun comes up.. it ain't about the 3pt shooting. The Magic struggle in half court sets because the half court sets suck. You can go ahead and say "well Philly shot the ball x amount of times for x amount of makes" but I'll counter Philly's looks weren't as bad as Orlando's looks because their offense is crisper and quicker. They run their ball screens with purpose (handler going downhill) the Magic run ball screens for Wagner and Banchero and they start dribbling the ball side to side instead of going hard in one direction... next thing you know there are 7 seconds left on the shot clock and they chuck a 3.. but guess what? Then I come in here and that 3 is talked about the same way a wide open Harris 3 is. Same shot.. but they're totally different to me.

Tonight.. they shot too many 3's.

[IllMagic04]

Its just one of those nights. Theres just going to be games where we are going to put on incredible bricklaying performances. Its just how it is.

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[OrlandoNed]

This team desperately needs a star PG like Haliburton. Paolo and Franz are good playmakers but we can not expect them to run the offense full time.

[Optimus_Steel]

Yes, shooting is the problem, but it is amplified when opponent defense collapses closing the path to the basket. Our offense is built around Franz and Paolo iso game and we use screens only to force switch so they get matchup they want to score at the basket. Once that is cut off by zone with plenty of pickpocketing hands, we struggle.

Indeed. They are clogging the paint and Franz/Paolo are facing two or three defenders each time.

[richi_v25]

I'm ok with the loss bc we're a young team playing a veteran squad on a back to back missing our best pg Jingle bells and our best defender JI. We were tired so we couldn't bully ball our way plus our shots weren't falling, can't win them all.

[byeganyo]

We cant build the team around Franz and Paolo if both are going to be so **** from the 3pt line.

[KillMonger]

On offense, we got great looks and bricked them.

On defense, we got hunted and killed.

Nurse brilliant coaching job..... Effectively shut down the paint and got the matchups they wanted with us making no adjustment....

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He copied and paste what Cavs, Boston, Miami, and Bucks did.

And even with those experiences we still didn't adjust..... Maybe we just got to live with it..... Like a bad roommate.... Dell's not ready man, if I can see that surely a coach can

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[ibraheim718]

Also.. Philly is a good 3pt shooting team because they get a lot of their looks from inside-out when Embiid plays. The ball goes to him.. teams double he finds open (relaxed) shooters. Easier shots to make. This guy Mosley still refuses to repeatedly park Banchero at the elbow or the low block opting for face-up dribble drives with 5 pairs of eyes watching him. It don't make any sense.

[thelead]

On offense, we got great looks and bricked them.

On defense, we got hunted and killed.

Nurse brilliant coaching job..... Effectively shut down the paint and got the matchups they wanted with us making no adjustment....

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Yeah, he’s a damn good coach.

[FFBlitzace]

A lot has been said, and ultimately it all just kinda comes down to our margin of error being very small. We can afford to have an off night in one singular area, but that's it. And unfortunately, the way it tends to go for us, is that our weaknesses are hard to isolate. We rely heavily on our defense, but turnovers and constant bricked shots put a lot of pressure on your defense and make you defend in transition. And when we're not getting stops, it limits our already terrible offense by not getting running opportunities of our own. Which leads to bad offense, which hurts our defense, and so forth. We're a fragile machine.

But yeah I mean, WCJ is nowhere near an NBA level player right now. I understand the concept of "going with your guys," but he just isn't right. Forcing this isn't helping anyone, including him.

[OrlandoNed]

We cant build the team around Franz and Paolo if both are going to be so **** from the 3pt line.

We don't need them to be elite shooters. We need to surround them with elite shooters so they can play to their strengths.

[ibraheim718]

We cant build the team around Franz and Paolo if both are going to be so **** from the 3pt line.

We don't need them to be elite shooters. We need to surround them with elite shooters so they can play to their strengths.

What are their strengths?

[p0peye]

The fact that we lost the game is irrelevant. We cannot rely on iso ball without plan B. We could play more pick and rolls, motion offense with handoffs, run some screens to get open looks. We simply don't have players with skills needed for those sets on the roster.

[byeganyo]

We cant build the team around Franz and Paolo if both are going to be so **** from the 3pt line.

We don't need them to be elite shooters. We need to surround them with elite shooters so they can play to their strengths.

One of them can be a poor shooter fine, but both cant have the same weaknesses, it makes the roster construction a hell, we drafted them ok, they are nice players, but lets not get too attached.

[thelead]

I had a hypothesis going that maybe Franz was in a slump (partially) due WCJ being out…. That clearly isn’t the case. I’m not even seeing the same 2-man actions they used to run.

[JF5]

Bro... Houstan 40% from 3 Suggs 37% from 3 and Banchero 38% from 3.

You do realizethe Magic are a bottom 3, 3 point shooting team. This team is a horrendous shooting team right now.

I'll disagree with you guys until the sun comes up.. it ain't about the 3pt shooting. The Magic struggle in half court sets because the half court sets suck. You can go ahead and say "well Philly shot the ball x amount of times for x amount of makes" but I'll counter Philly's looks weren't as bad as Orlando's looks because their offense is crisper and quicker. They run their ball screens with purpose (handler going downhill) the Magic run ball screens for Wagner and Banchero and they start dribbling the ball side to side instead of going hard in one direction... next thing you know there are 7 seconds left on the shot clock and they chuck a 3.. but guess what? Then I come in here and that 3 is talked about the same way a wide open Harris 3 is. Same shot.. but they're totally different to me.

Tonight.. they shot too many 3's.

I mean you CAN'T disagree with stats man... 33.9 percent from 3 (which will be lower after this game) that is the 3rd lowest in the NBA.

They attempt 29.6 3s per game which is 2nd to last in the NBA, whilst only make 10 3s per game which is second to last (which likely will be dead last after this game as well).

So stats show this is an atrocious 3 point shooting team

[djguevara114]

Lose at home to Heat with no Butler and Philly with no Embiid… Out coached and our front office out managed… Those teams are built with players that will flat out slit your throat…

[Knightro]

I'll disagree with you guys until the sun comes up.. it ain't about the 3pt shooting. The Magic struggle in half court sets because the half court sets suck. You can go ahead and say "well Philly shot the ball x amount of times for x amount of makes" but I'll counter Philly's looks weren't as bad as Orlando's looks because their offense is crisper and quicker. They run their ball screens with purpose (handler going downhill) the Magic run ball screens for Wagner and Banchero and they start dribbling the ball side to side instead of going hard in one direction... next thing you know there are 7 seconds left on the shot clock and they chuck a 3.. but guess what? Then I come in here and that 3 is talked about the same way a wide open Harris 3 is. Same shot.. but they're totally different to me.

Tonight.. they shot too many 3's.

The Magic have won 18 of their first 30 games playing this exact style of offense though. It works against a lot of teams.

The reason why it doesn't work against the better defensive teams because the Magic simply don't possess the ability to punish defenses that have zoned up and/or packed the paint by making threes.

Imagine the Sixers trying this exact defensive game plan against Boston or Dallas or Sacramento or Indiana. They'd have gotten blown off the court.

If the Magic had the ability to make 3PT shots at a high level, with everything else they already do well, they'd be one of the very best teams in the NBA.

But they don't. So when they play good teams who are smart, tough and force a lot of turnovers, they don't really have an answer offensively.

[ibraheim718]

You do realizethe Magic are a bottom 3, 3 point shooting team. This team is a horrendous shooting team right now.

I'll disagree with you guys until the sun comes up.. it ain't about the 3pt shooting. The Magic struggle in half court sets because the half court sets suck. You can go ahead and say "well Philly shot the ball x amount of times for x amount of makes" but I'll counter Philly's looks weren't as bad as Orlando's looks because their offense is crisper and quicker. They run their ball screens with purpose (handler going downhill) the Magic run ball screens for Wagner and Banchero and they start dribbling the ball side to side instead of going hard in one direction... next thing you know there are 7 seconds left on the shot clock and they chuck a 3.. but guess what? Then I come in here and that 3 is talked about the same way a wide open Harris 3 is. Same shot.. but they're totally different to me.

Tonight.. they shot too many 3's.

I mean you CAN'T disagree with stats man... 33.9 percent from 3 (which will be lower after this game) that is the 3rd lowest in the NBA.

They attempt 29.6 3s per game which is 2nd to last in the NBA, whilst only make 10 3s per game which is second to last (which likely will be dead last after this game as well).

So stats show this is an atrocious 3 point shooting team

18-11 a bunch of 23 year olds. Argue with that stat.

[ibraheim718]

I'll disagree with you guys until the sun comes up.. it ain't about the 3pt shooting. The Magic struggle in half court sets because the half court sets suck. You can go ahead and say "well Philly shot the ball x amount of times for x amount of makes" but I'll counter Philly's looks weren't as bad as Orlando's looks because their offense is crisper and quicker. They run their ball screens with purpose (handler going downhill) the Magic run ball screens for Wagner and Banchero and they start dribbling the ball side to side instead of going hard in one direction... next thing you know there are 7 seconds left on the shot clock and they chuck a 3.. but guess what? Then I come in here and that 3 is talked about the same way a wide open Harris 3 is. Same shot.. but they're totally different to me.

Tonight.. they shot too many 3's.

The Magic have won 18 of their first 30 games playing this exact style of offense though. It works against a lot of teams.

The reason why it doesn't work against the better defensive teams because the Magic simply don't possess the ability to punish defenses that have zoned up and/or packed the paint by making threes.

Imagine the Sixers trying this exact defensive game plan against Boston or Dallas or Sacramento or Indiana. They'd have gotten blown off the court.

If the Magic had the ability to make 3PT shots at a high level, with everything else they already do well, they'd be one of the very best teams in the NBA.

But they don't. So when they play good teams who are smart, tough and force a lot of turnovers, they don't really have an answer offensively.

I just don't like the quality of the looks and I don't like it when Banchero and or Wagner dribble the ball too much if at all on the perimeter.