What is Anthony Black's ceiling? I know another AB thread

[thelead]

He needs to get to league average from three otherwise his ceiling isn't that high.

As a heads up, league average is .365. AB is at .366. So technically, he’s already above league average. But we can call it AT league average… as a rookie. Not bad for a 19 year old ‘that can’t shoot’.

[fendilim]

Jason Kidd mavs version.

Shooting is getting better, good defense, and can find open teammates to run the break.

Can’t shoot off the dribble.

[tiderulz]

Penny? i know it seems sacrilegious, Penny not a good 3 pt shooter but had height for PG, had handles. Penny wasnt a big assist man (best year was 7 apg)

Penny was 2.5 years older than Black in his rookie season.

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what does that have to do with projecting AB's ceiling?

[JBSouthpaw]

He needs to get to league average from three otherwise his ceiling isn't that high.

His size is pretty crazy for a guard though, I don't think many people quite understand how important those last couple inches are when closing out the perimeter and guarding against back downs.

If I had to make a projection, I would say that if he can learn to shoot then he's looking at Shaun Livingston pre injury with the upward projection, which is a really good player.

A taller Jrue Holdiay maybe?

There aren't that many players his size at PG in NBA history TBH, there is like Ben Simmons... and that's a bit of a scary comparison.

36.6% from 3, 52% overall, he's getting there.
games like last night should give him confidence shooting.

[tiderulz]

He needs to get to league average from three otherwise his ceiling isn't that high.

His size is pretty crazy for a guard though, I don't think many people quite understand how important those last couple inches are when closing out the perimeter and guarding against back downs.

If I had to make a projection, I would say that if he can learn to shoot then he's looking at Shaun Livingston pre injury with the upward projection, which is a really good player.

A taller Jrue Holdiay maybe?

There aren't that many players his size at PG in NBA history TBH, there is like Ben Simmons... and that's a bit of a scary comparison.

and, you know, Penny Hardaway

[UCFJayBird]

I've been pleasantly surprised with his 3-point shooting this year. It's far better than I expected in his rookie campaign. It's still early and he could fall off and wind up in the 25% range, which is what I expected, but if he's stays above 33% that's a huge accomplishment for a rookie that was coming in with huge concerns surrounding his range.

Honestly besides 3-point shooting, my only main concern has been his assists. For a point guard, I'd expect a good PG to average at least 6+ apg, a great one to average at least 8+ (depending on the rest of their game and what they provide). I'm not saying a point guard has to put up huge assist numbers like Haliburton or Chris Paul in his prime. And I know the Magic aren't asking him to lead the offense really or facilitating through him, but 1.8apg as a starter on 22mpg? That's very low.

But again, that's probably premature and more because of the system. I would just like to see him more assertive in running the offense as the season goes on.

I don't know what his ceiling is, but i'm more excited about him now than i was coming into the season.

[JoshuaPotter]

Several post game videos show him doing 3pt practice post game night and being one of the last persons to leave. He was left wide open, literally so disrespectful that Washington let him get what equates to practice 3's. Clearly though they didn't watch his practice 3's because he is actually alright if he sets up.

The question now becomes. If he keeps this up, what are his minutes?

As far as projected ceiling. Eeehhh. Too early. Floor is looking like a defensive specialist and it is already achieved. Peak is a hard person to see with him right now for me because he has touched the ball so little. But in summer league where he was allowed to do a bit more I saw all-star potential.

[VFX]

I don’t think there is an accurate comparison for Anthony Black due to his skill and size at his position.

I think the closest we can get is probably Josh Giddey with ++ defense.

LeBron with defense.

Definitely more Wilt

[p0peye]

I've been pleasantly surprised with his 3-point shooting this year. It's far better than I expected in his rookie campaign. It's still early and he could fall off and wind up in the 25% range, which is what I expected, but if he's stays above 33% that's a huge accomplishment for a rookie that was coming in with huge concerns surrounding his range.

Honestly besides 3-point shooting, my only main concern has been his assists. For a point guard, I'd expect a good PG to average at least 6+ apg, a great one to average at least 8+ (depending on the rest of their game and what they provide). I'm not saying a point guard has to put up huge assist numbers like Haliburton or Chris Paul in his prime. And I know the Magic aren't asking him to lead the offense really or facilitating through him, but 1.8apg as a starter on 22mpg? That's very low.

But again, that's probably premature and more because of the system. I would just like to see him more assertive in running the offense as the season goes on.

I don't know what his ceiling is, but i'm more excited about him now than i was coming into the season.

So far he does only two things as PG on the floor: takes the ball across the court and usually defends PGs (or other guards). While he is a really good defender that has terrific size and length to bother most guards and make up when they get past him, it is easier to screen him away from ball handler than it is with Suggs. His size probably makes it more difficult for him to fight through and he frequently tries to use speed to go under the screen but it is a risky tactic with quick trigger or lightning fast PGs.

Again, still very early in his career and we are yet to see if Mosley is using him properly or not.

[JoshuaPotter]

I don’t think there is an accurate comparison for Anthony Black due to his skill and size at his position.

I think the closest we can get is probably Josh Giddey with ++ defense.

LeBron with defense.

Definitely more Wilt

MJ + Bill Russel on D.

[MagicFan101]

I haven't seen AB beat his defender off the dribble often. I don't know if he has that in his game to be a star guard in the mold of a Kyrie. SGA isn't really a great comp either. He has similar height but can create offense in a way I just don't see from AB.

But with his size, defense, smarts and developing jump shot he can be a different type of PG all together. A smart, floor general 3&D PG is nothing to shake your head at if you have star power elsewhere.

[JF5]

Bruce Brown, lol...

[Skin]

One good game and folks enshrining him in the HoF. Gimme a break Magic fans. He was the 5th overall pick. Can we have more games like this than one for every 30?

Hopefully it's a breakout game from a scoring perspective and not just a one hit wonder. Definitely a fun promsing moment, but 1 whole assist lol.

[thelead]

One good game and folks enshrining him in the HoF. Gimme a break Magic fans. He was the 5th overall pick. Can we have more games like this than one for every 30?

Hopefully it's a breakout game from a scoring perspective and not just a one hit wonder. Definitely a fun promsing moment, but 1 whole assist lol.

6th pick. And he’s 19.

[MasterGMer]

3 points, 4 assists and 4 rebs adding 1 steal plus 1 block. If he could shoot more efficient since he was 1-3 from 3s today. He could have a good day. But today's game was bad and Paolo was 1 for 8 from 3s. We had our chance. But the Philly D is too much for us to overcome

[Skin]

One good game and folks enshrining him in the HoF. Gimme a break Magic fans. He was the 5th overall pick. Can we have more games like this than one for every 30?

Hopefully it's a breakout game from a scoring perspective and not just a one hit wonder. Definitely a fun promsing moment, but 1 whole assist lol.

6th pick. And he’s 19.

Is that an excuse for something? I thought this was the thread declaring him as a star, the next Penny, and future HoF'er.

[thelead]

One good game and folks enshrining him in the HoF. Gimme a break Magic fans. He was the 5th overall pick. Can we have more games like this than one for every 30?

Hopefully it's a breakout game from a scoring perspective and not just a one hit wonder. Definitely a fun promsing moment, but 1 whole assist lol.

6th pick. And he’s 19.

Is that an excuse for something?

I was just correcting the pick we used. The ‘and he’s 19’ is because you can’t expect a 19 year old to be consistent. No one should be expecting a GOAT level prospect. He has the talent to be a future all-star but it’s going to take some time.

For the record, even though I was a fan of the pick, I floated the idea of trading him for Harden when he was available. I’m not married to anyone on the roster.

[Mad Guru]

He needs to get to league average from three otherwise his ceiling isn't that high.

His size is pretty crazy for a guard though, I don't think many people quite understand how important those last couple inches are when closing out the perimeter and guarding against back downs.

If I had to make a projection, I would say that if he can learn to shoot then he's looking at Shaun Livingston pre injury with the upward projection, which is a really good player.

A taller Jrue Holdiay maybe?

There aren't that many players his size at PG in NBA history TBH, there is like Ben Simmons... and that's a bit of a scary comparison.

and, you know, Penny Hardaway

Penny would never be as passive as he has been on offense. They aren't similar players, just both tall.

[Skybox]

Bruce Brown, lol...

Lol? This is the most realistic one yet

He can be really good, but Igoudala/Livingston good is what I see.

[basketballRob]

Y'all can't recognize a future star. You have to factor age. Black is still younger than Penny was in his first season in college. You have to factor age. Outside of Wembanyama, Black has a chance to be the best player in the draft.

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