NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

[Jamaaliver]

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[mademan]

Nah seeding should definitely play a bigger role this year when these guys are close. I think it’s a little bs people trying to play it up as Embiid, Jokic and Giannis again when to me that’s far from the truth. Luka and SGA are all on the same level.

If Embiid is a one or two seed with his strong play he should be mvp over Luka as a 5 seed. Even though Luka has a weaker team to carry he’s not far and away better than the competition.

I think there are many voters who feel they got bullied into voting for Embiid last year. Wouldnt be surprised if Embiid ends up with better stats and a better record than Luka and still loses to him

No they didn't lmao. Please site a few tweets or articles or podcasts from reporters that had an actual vote saying they got bullied into voting for Embiid. Seriously the excuses at this point are pathetic.

So you're saying the straw poll is worthless lol. Usually it's a great indicator of who the winner will be. Still early, and lots of time for things to change, but right now Embiid is winning by a landslide. Wow, Luka is really winning right now. Those pollsters don't know what they're talking about...

Good lord, the ways people try to rationalize this.

Now I wll say Luka is playing like he deserves it. However his stats are still not as good as Embiid's and neither is his record. Unless he has one of those, I doubt he wins it.

What is there to rationalize? With all objective measures going Jokic's way, the voters gave it to Embiid last year "because nobody should win 3 MVP's without a title/finals appearance". I sincerely doubt that theyre actually gonna make Embiid the first 2 time MVP who's never made it to the conference finals.

But we'll see.

[JustBuzzin]

Embiid/Luka in that order.

And everybody else is a step below right now.

Still early, but this is how I view it right now.

[Hobo4President]

I thought Shai was a bit overrated last season but I was wrong. He's the real deal...just need a better 3pt% to be the best player in the NBA not named Jokic. I think he should be second in the MVP ranking right now behind Embiiid but it's a close race.

Yep. I wasn't as high on Shai as others last year but he's very very good and likely to be an MVP candidate for years to come. Currently I have him 2nd behind Embiid as well.

SGA being ahead of Luka on any list is a really unfunny joke.

Why would it be? No doubt Luka has been on a tear recently but;

Shai has a better on/off, he leads Luka in EPM, +/-, PER, TS%, ORTG, DRTG, WS/48 and BPM. Luka scores more points and is a better playmaker but Shai is one of the best defenders in the league at his position while also being among the best in the league on offense and the numbers back that up. Along with all that Shai might be the most efficient player in the league this year when you factor in his volume, scoring efficiency and how low his turnovers are. Out of players with USG% >25% he's 5th in TS% and regarding TO%, when ordered by USG you have to go down to Maxey (ranked 39th in USG%) to find a player with a lower TO%. The only other guy that might be more efficient this year is Embiid.

[eyeatoma]

I think there are many voters who feel they got bullied into voting for Embiid last year. Wouldnt be surprised if Embiid ends up with better stats and a better record than Luka and still loses to him

No they didn't lmao. Please site a few tweets or articles or podcasts from reporters that had an actual vote saying they got bullied into voting for Embiid. Seriously the excuses at this point are pathetic.

So you're saying the straw poll is worthless lol. Usually it's a great indicator of who the winner will be. Still early, and lots of time for things to change, but right now Embiid is winning by a landslide. Wow, Luka is really winning right now. Those pollsters don't know what they're talking about...

Good lord, the ways people try to rationalize this.

Now I wll say Luka is playing like he deserves it. However his stats are still not as good as Embiid's and neither is his record. Unless he has one of those, I doubt he wins it.

What is there to rationalize? With all objective measures going Jokic's way, the voters gave it to Embiid last year "because nobody should win 3 MVP's without a title/finals appearance". I sincerely doubt that theyre actually gonna make Embiid the first 2 time MVP who's never made it to the conference finals.

But we'll see.

So basically your logic is "trust me bro", even though one of the most accurate measures (the straw poll) has him winning by a large margin right now.

Also, you weren't able to provide any evidence showing that actual voters felt intimidate/bullied to vote for Embiid. Still waiting on that.

[mademan]

No they didn't lmao. Please site a few tweets or articles or podcasts from reporters that had an actual vote saying they got bullied into voting for Embiid. Seriously the excuses at this point are pathetic.

So you're saying the straw poll is worthless lol. Usually it's a great indicator of who the winner will be. Still early, and lots of time for things to change, but right now Embiid is winning by a landslide. Wow, Luka is really winning right now. Those pollsters don't know what they're talking about...

Good lord, the ways people try to rationalize this.

Now I wll say Luka is playing like he deserves it. However his stats are still not as good as Embiid's and neither is his record. Unless he has one of those, I doubt he wins it.

What is there to rationalize? With all objective measures going Jokic's way, the voters gave it to Embiid last year "because nobody should win 3 MVP's without a title/finals appearance". I sincerely doubt that theyre actually gonna make Embiid the first 2 time MVP who's never made it to the conference finals.

But we'll see.

So basically your logic is "trust me bro", even though one of the most accurate measures (the straw poll) has him winning by a large margin right now.

Also, you weren't able to provide any evidence showing that actual voters felt intimidate/bullied to vote for Embiid. Still waiting on that.

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Sure. Here you go. My evidence is that 1 player got robbed last year for not having the adequate post season success and here we are in that situation again. Embiid would be the first 2 time MVP winner to not have a CF's under his belt.

[eyeatoma]

What is there to rationalize? With all objective measures going Jokic's way, the voters gave it to Embiid last year "because nobody should win 3 MVP's without a title/finals appearance". I sincerely doubt that theyre actually gonna make Embiid the first 2 time MVP who's never made it to the conference finals.

But we'll see.

So basically your logic is "trust me bro", even though one of the most accurate measures (the straw poll) has him winning by a large margin right now.

Also, you weren't able to provide any evidence showing that actual voters felt intimidate/bullied to vote for Embiid. Still waiting on that.

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Sure. Here you go. My evidence is that 1 player got robbed last year for not having the adequate post season success and here we are in that situation again. Embiid would be the first 2 time MVP winner to not have a CF's under his belt.

At no point it Simmons ever say he was bullied, or intimidated into voting for him. That is you literally taking his words and then twisting it into your own narrative. Nothing in that clip says he was pressured. If that was your evidence, then you weren't able to provide any.

Also, let's be real, Conference finals doesn't have the same ring to a finals berth or otherwise. The two are not the same.

[DrModesty]

SGA with a very efficient 34/6/9/2/1 in a blow out win over the Timberwolves.

And follows it up with 36/7/8/2/2 on the back to back against the Knicks.

[mademan]

So basically your logic is "trust me bro", even though one of the most accurate measures (the straw poll) has him winning by a large margin right now.

Also, you weren't able to provide any evidence showing that actual voters felt intimidate/bullied to vote for Embiid. Still waiting on that.

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Sure. Here you go. My evidence is that 1 player got robbed last year for not having the adequate post season success and here we are in that situation again. Embiid would be the first 2 time MVP winner to not have a CF's under his belt.

At no point it Simmons ever say he was bullied, or intimidated into voting for him. That is you literally taking his words and then twisting it into your own narrative. Nothing in that clip says he was pressured. If that was your evidence, then you weren't able to provide any.

Also, let's be real, Conference finals doesn't have the same ring to a finals berth or otherwise. The two are not the same.

Perhaps not. But nobody actually believed Jokic wasnt performing in the playoffs. His lack of playoff success was poor team quality and not his individual play. The same cannot be said about Embiid. Thats a big difference itself

[eyeatoma]

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Sure. Here you go. My evidence is that 1 player got robbed last year for not having the adequate post season success and here we are in that situation again. Embiid would be the first 2 time MVP winner to not have a CF's under his belt.

At no point it Simmons ever say he was bullied, or intimidated into voting for him. That is you literally taking his words and then twisting it into your own narrative. Nothing in that clip says he was pressured. If that was your evidence, then you weren't able to provide any.

Also, let's be real, Conference finals doesn't have the same ring to a finals berth or otherwise. The two are not the same.

Perhaps not. But nobody actually believed Jokic wasnt performing in the playoffs. His lack of playoff success was poor team quality and not his individual play. The same cannot be said about Embiid. Thats a big difference itself

Agreed, but then you can't start a whole thing saying voters were bullied, and then use that as rationale for why he won't win it, when he is leading the straw poll by a large amount. If what you were saying were true, then it would have been reflected in the straw poll. That fact that it hasn't is actually more evidence that there is no validity of your claim of bullying/intimidation.

[bigboi]

People still talking about last year? This is crazy. The dude lost. There’s nothing you can do about it. In 20 years, no one will care about your “snub”. Also it’s weird how the same folks are typically avid advocates for Nash winning 2 MVPs

[Woodsanity]

Embiid MVP case falling with him constantly injured as per usual and his team blowing out a good Magic team without their "MVP",

[TinmanZBoy]

I'd vote for Embiid if season ends today... Dude has been a monster... If he can hold up and win it again this season, there are two persons he should thank for... the first one is Nick Nurse, who opened up a lot easier plays for him, second one is Malone/Jokic since they provided the blueprint offense to Nurse... Joel's talent is undeniable, like him or not...

[Wolfgang630]

Embiid MVP case falling with him constantly injured as per usual and his team blowing out a good Magic team without their "MVP",

This. Him missing games and Philly beating a great Magic team is hurting him.

[eyeatoma]

Embiid MVP case falling with him constantly injured as per usual and his team blowing out a good Magic team without their "MVP",

This. Him missing games and Philly beating a great Magic team is hurting him.

Lmao they are 1-4 right now. You guys are truly hilarious.

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[juanc]

Luka Magic continiues

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His averages in December 37/9/11.5 + 2.5 stocks. Once Kyrie gets back the Mavs are going to be a dangerous team.

[losmi]

People still talking about last year? This is crazy. The dude lost. There’s nothing you can do about it. In 20 years, no one will care about your “snub”. Also it’s weird how the same folks are typically avid advocates for Nash winning 2 MVPs

In 20 years, or in 100 years, the fact that a player who averaged 24.5-11.8-9.8 on 70% TS with +/- of +13 on a 1st seed didn't get the MVP award in favor of an inferior player on a 3rd seed will pop up as a weird anomaly in all analysis. If they dig further, they'll find out that the other guy also ducked the matchup, and was a perennial underperformer in the playoffs. Mind-blowing. It should be remembered forever that he won this award only because of an orchestrated media campaign.

There's indeed nothing that can be done about the 2023 MVP award, it's permanently stolen, but a lesson should be learned so that this does not happen again in the future.

[timO]

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the worst final of a game this season is this one doncic had today man vs cavs full of injuries team

first ridiculusly calling for a fault that for sure wasnt and then wasting 10 seconds last possesion doing nothing

SGA meanwhile creating a big 3 in okc

[timO]

Luka Magic continiues

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His averages in December 37/9/11.5 + 2.5 stocks. Once Kyrie gets back the Mavs are going to be a dangerous team.

the magic was losing from an almost g-league team, cavs without mitchell garland and mobley

[bigboi]

People still talking about last year? This is crazy. The dude lost. There’s nothing you can do about it. In 20 years, no one will care about your “snub”. Also it’s weird how the same folks are typically avid advocates for Nash winning 2 MVPs

In 20 years, or in 100 years, the fact that a player who averaged 24.5-11.8-9.8 on 70% TS with +/- of +13 on a 1st seed didn't get the MVP award in favor of an inferior player on a 3rd seed will pop up as a weird anomaly in all analysis. If they dig further, they'll find out that the other guy also ducked the matchup, and was a perennial underperformer in the playoffs. Mind-blowing. It should be remembered forever that he won this award only because of an orchestrated media campaign.

There's indeed nothing that can be done about the 2023 MVP award, it's permanently stolen, but a lesson should be learned so that this does not happen again in the future.

I’m not reading NONE of that. He lost and will most likely lose again. It is what it is. The guy won MVP as a 6th seed and I heard 0 complaints. Like stop the nonsense. Embiid won because he absolutely cooked/filleted Jokic in their head to head. Again, this season is this season. Last season was last season. All your complaining, stats pulling isn’t changing the fact that Jokic lost fair and square lmao.