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Post#1801 » by Fierce1 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:50 am

BK_2020 wrote:Mavs about to lose despite leading by 20 at home to a Cavs team missing everyone. Luka can’t be feeling great about this team.

Luka great player, but never good enough to win it all.

He's just too ball dominant and his defense is not good.
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Post#1802 » by BK_2020 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:52 am

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BK_2020 wrote:Mavs about to lose despite leading by 20 at home to a Cavs team missing everyone. Luka can’t be feeling great about this team.

Luka great player, but never good enough to win it all.

He's just too ball dominant and his defense is not good.

He’s the only one on his team who can dribble a ball now that Kyrie is injured.
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Post#1803 » by Fierce1 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:55 am

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BK_2020 wrote:Mavs about to lose despite leading by 20 at home to a Cavs team missing everyone. Luka can’t be feeling great about this team.

Luka great player, but never good enough to win it all.

He's just too ball dominant and his defense is not good.

He’s the only one on his team who can dribble a ball now that Kyrie is injured.

Yeah, but even in the international scene, Luka always comes up short.

Luka had KP as his 2nd option and Luka couldn't make it work.

When KP wins a chip in Boston, it will vindicate KP.
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Post#1804 » by JaMarco » Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:05 am

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BK_2020 wrote:Mavs about to lose despite leading by 20 at home to a Cavs team missing everyone. Luka can’t be feeling great about this team.

Luka great player, but never good enough to win it all.

He's just too ball dominant and his defense is not good.

EEHHH you can't blame him for the Mavs failures, his supporting cast is borderline awful. Reminds me of LeBron's first stint in CLE.
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Post#1805 » by Mr_Mojo_Risin » Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:26 am

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BK_2020 wrote:Mavs about to lose despite leading by 20 at home to a Cavs team missing everyone. Luka can’t be feeling great about this team.

Luka great player, but never good enough to win it all.

He's just too ball dominant and his defense is not good.

EEHHH you can't blame him for the Mavs failures, his supporting cast is borderline awful. Reminds me of LeBron's first stint in CLE.

You can't fully blame him, but no real consistent effort in defense is definitely something you can blame him for....

Building around him with other star players will also likely be difficult, because they have to accept that while they're on the court with Luka they won't have the ball in their hands very often and will likely have to cover for his lack of defensive effort.

Personally I'm glad for us it didn't work out with KP for them but in many ways they should be an ideal fit.
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Post#1806 » by Fierce1 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:06 am

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BK_2020 wrote:Mavs about to lose despite leading by 20 at home to a Cavs team missing everyone. Luka can’t be feeling great about this team.

Luka great player, but never good enough to win it all.

He's just too ball dominant and his defense is not good.

EEHHH you can't blame him for the Mavs failures, his supporting cast is borderline awful. Reminds me of LeBron's first stint in CLE.

Luka had KP and KP ended up wanting out.

Clearly KP is not the problem because when the Jays got KP, it's like magic!
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Post#1807 » by ConstableGeneva » Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:27 am

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Brad Stevens would win at least 45 games with this amount of talent.
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Post#1808 » by ConstableGeneva » Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:29 am

Weird call by the Nets.
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Post#1809 » by 165bows » Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:29 am

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Brad Stevens would win at least 45 games with this amount of talent.

Celtics roster consists of a ton of guys drafted at 3 and then at 29.

In other news. Seth Rollins was the big winner tonight at the Garden and the boys were amped about that and Cody Rhodes’ appearance.
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Post#1810 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:44 am

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BK_2020 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Luka great player, but never good enough to win it all.

He's just too ball dominant and his defense is not good.

He’s the only one on his team who can dribble a ball now that Kyrie is injured.

Yeah, but even in the international scene, Luka always comes up short.

Luka had KP as his 2nd option and Luka couldn't make it work.

When KP wins a chip in Boston, it will vindicate KP.

It's a story with too many details. It did kind of work in the bubble season and playoffs - until KP was injured. Then it failed badly and in the year when everyone missed a tonne of games with "Covid" KP and Brunson were a good fit when Luka was out and Luka wasn't a good fit with KP when both were in. That ended up with both KP and Brunson leaving Dallas. KP when interviewed does some preventative criticism of how he was then .. that's partly persona and partly how he is .. and it contrasts with how Luka is .. not to throw shade at Luka, just different types of people .. but KP really didn't get fair or even sensible usage in Dallas after the second injury.

Also, Cuban installed a guy with the bbiq of a gnat as GM. Probably a good shoe salesman .. but boy Dinwiddie + Bertans for KP????

[edit] obviously the international criticism of Luka is not fair. He led Slovenia to win the Euro champs at age 18? And his success with Real Madrid at a similar time is well documented.
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Post#1811 » by Fierce1 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:17 am

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Fierce1 wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:He’s the only one on his team who can dribble a ball now that Kyrie is injured.

Yeah, but even in the international scene, Luka always comes up short.

Luka had KP as his 2nd option and Luka couldn't make it work.

When KP wins a chip in Boston, it will vindicate KP.

It's a story with too many details. It did kind of work in the bubble season and playoffs - until KP was injured. Then it failed badly and in the year when everyone missed a tonne of games with "Covid" KP and Brunson were a good fit when Luka was out and Luka wasn't a good fit with KP when both were in. That ended up with both KP and Brunson leaving Dallas. KP when interviewed does some preventative criticism of how he was then .. that's partly persona and partly how he is .. and it contrasts with how Luka is .. not to throw shade at Luka, just different types of people .. but KP really didn't get fair or even sensible usage in Dallas after the second injury.

Also, Cuban installed a guy with the bbiq of a gnat as GM. Probably a good shoe salesman .. but boy Dinwiddie + Bertans for KP????

[edit] obviously the international criticism of Luka is not fair. He led Slovenia to win the Euro champs at age 18? And his success with Real Madrid at a similar time is well documented.

I don't watch Euroleague.

I'm referring to international competition like the FIBA World Cup or Olympics.

Luka always put up great number the last few years, but Slovenia could never win it all.
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Post#1812 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:19 am

165bows wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:
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Brad Stevens would win at least 45 games with this amount of talent.

Celtics roster consists of a ton of guys drafted at 3 and then at 29.

In other news. Seth Rollins was the big winner tonight at the Garden and the boys were amped about that and Cody Rhodes’ appearance.

So, what, this is 3, 3, 3, 4, 17 (Jrue), 26 (PP), 29 (DW), 38, 39, 46, 47, 53, and the other five undrafted?
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Post#1813 » by JaMarco » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:21 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:The East teams that might give us trouble in the postseason are, in no particular order: injury to Tatum, injury to Porzingis and/or injury to White.

Overconfidence. Phily and MIL are both big time threats in a series.
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Post#1814 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:23 am

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B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Yeah, but even in the international scene, Luka always comes up short.

Luka had KP as his 2nd option and Luka couldn't make it work.

When KP wins a chip in Boston, it will vindicate KP.

It's a story with too many details. It did kind of work in the bubble season and playoffs - until KP was injured. Then it failed badly and in the year when everyone missed a tonne of games with "Covid" KP and Brunson were a good fit when Luka was out and Luka wasn't a good fit with KP when both were in. That ended up with both KP and Brunson leaving Dallas. KP when interviewed does some preventative criticism of how he was then .. that's partly persona and partly how he is .. and it contrasts with how Luka is .. not to throw shade at Luka, just different types of people .. but KP really didn't get fair or even sensible usage in Dallas after the second injury.

Also, Cuban installed a guy with the bbiq of a gnat as GM. Probably a good shoe salesman .. but boy Dinwiddie + Bertans for KP????

[edit] obviously the international criticism of Luka is not fair. He led Slovenia to win the Euro champs at age 18? And his success with Real Madrid at a similar time is well documented.

I don't watch Euroleague.

I'm referring to international competition like the FIBA World Cup or Olympics.

Luka always put up great number the last few years, but Slovenia could never win it all.

They literally won the European championships in 2017.

It's a tiny country with essentially no basketball tradition, especially in comparison to Serbia and Croatia. This is like expecting Maine + Rhode Island to have a World Cup or Olympics winning basketball team.

And the fact that _you_ don't watch EuroLeague does not make it not part of the international baskeball scene.
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Post#1815 » by Fierce1 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:28 am

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:It's a story with too many details. It did kind of work in the bubble season and playoffs - until KP was injured. Then it failed badly and in the year when everyone missed a tonne of games with "Covid" KP and Brunson were a good fit when Luka was out and Luka wasn't a good fit with KP when both were in. That ended up with both KP and Brunson leaving Dallas. KP when interviewed does some preventative criticism of how he was then .. that's partly persona and partly how he is .. and it contrasts with how Luka is .. not to throw shade at Luka, just different types of people .. but KP really didn't get fair or even sensible usage in Dallas after the second injury.

Also, Cuban installed a guy with the bbiq of a gnat as GM. Probably a good shoe salesman .. but boy Dinwiddie + Bertans for KP????

[edit] obviously the international criticism of Luka is not fair. He led Slovenia to win the Euro champs at age 18? And his success with Real Madrid at a similar time is well documented.

I don't watch Euroleague.

I'm referring to international competition like the FIBA World Cup or Olympics.

Luka always put up great number the last few years, but Slovenia could never win it all.

They literally won the European championships in 2017.

It's a tiny country with essentially no basketball tradition, especially in comparison to Serbia and Croatia. This is like expecting Maine + Rhode Island to have a World Cup or Olympics winning basketball team.

Yeah, the Euro part I don't see.

I only see the part where Luka and Slovenia face the world.

Not saying Luka is not a great player, no doubt he's a great player, but I think it's his style of play that can become his strength and also his weakness.
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Post#1816 » by JaMarco » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:32 am

Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:
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Fierce1 wrote:Luka great player, but never good enough to win it all.

He's just too ball dominant and his defense is not good.

EEHHH you can't blame him for the Mavs failures, his supporting cast is borderline awful. Reminds me of LeBron's first stint in CLE.

You can't fully blame him, but no real consistent effort in defense is definitely something you can blame him for....

Can you really blame him for that? He has to completely carry the entire team's ball handling duties, shot creation, scoring, and rebounding. And he's supposed to also be a great defender? What other player in the league does that?
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Post#1817 » by Mr_Mojo_Risin » Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:21 am

JaMarco wrote:
Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:
JaMarco wrote:EEHHH you can't blame him for the Mavs failures, his supporting cast is borderline awful. Reminds me of LeBron's first stint in CLE.

You can't fully blame him, but no real consistent effort in defense is definitely something you can blame him for....

Can you really blame him for that? He has to completely carry the entire team's ball handling duties, shot creation, scoring, and rebounding. And he's supposed to also be a great defender? What other player in the league does that?

Yep, I can blame him for his complete lack of effort in defense. Also, he wants to carry the offense, he doesn’t always have to….

Kawhi, Tatum, Embiid, Giannis, SGA are all elite offensive players that carry a large offensive load for their teams but give great effort when defending most the time.
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Post#1818 » by Darthlukey » Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:17 am

Fierce1 wrote:
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Fierce1 wrote:I don't watch Euroleague.

I'm referring to international competition like the FIBA World Cup or Olympics.

Luka always put up great number the last few years, but Slovenia could never win it all.

They literally won the European championships in 2017.

It's a tiny country with essentially no basketball tradition, especially in comparison to Serbia and Croatia. This is like expecting Maine + Rhode Island to have a World Cup or Olympics winning basketball team.

Yeah, the Euro part I don't see.

I only see the part where Luka and Slovenia face the world.

Not saying Luka is not a great player, no doubt he's a great player, but I think it's his style of play that can become his strength and also his weakness.

Basically harden. An over simplification perhaps, but they are one man wrecking crews that raise a teams floor, but perhaps limit their max ceiling
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Post#1819 » by Darthlukey » Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:19 am

Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:
JaMarco wrote:
Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:You can't fully blame him, but no real consistent effort in defense is definitely something you can blame him for....

Can you really blame him for that? He has to completely carry the entire team's ball handling duties, shot creation, scoring, and rebounding. And he's supposed to also be a great defender? What other player in the league does that?

Yep, I can blame him for his complete lack of effort in defense. Also, he wants to carry the offense, he doesn’t always have to….

Kawhi, Tatum, Embiid, Giannis, SGA are all elite offensive players that carry a large offensive load for their teams but give great effort when defending most the time.

2 way players are obviously easier to build around. Think about dirk (ironically a mav), he was a once in a lifetime offensive talent for his position, but their real success only came when every other player on the roster complimented his strength and moreso weakness
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Post#1820 » by Fencer reregistered » Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:03 am

Fierce1 wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Luka great player, but never good enough to win it all.

He's just too ball dominant and his defense is not good.

He’s the only one on his team who can dribble a ball now that Kyrie is injured.

Yeah, but even in the international scene, Luka always comes up short.

Luka had KP as his 2nd option and Luka couldn't make it work.

When KP wins a chip in Boston, it will vindicate KP.


In fairness to Luka, Tatum doesn't just have KP; he also has Brown, White and Holiday.
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