What is Anthony Black's ceiling? I know another AB thread

[D12VCMagic]

One good game and folks enshrining him in the HoF. Gimme a break Magic fans. He was the 5th overall pick. Can we have more games like this than one for every 30?

Hopefully it's a breakout game from a scoring perspective and not just a one hit wonder. Definitely a fun promsing moment, but 1 whole assist lol.

Magic fans have been overly optimistic about this kid since we drafted him IMO. I get it, we are a franchise that banks on our draft picks and not free agents and trades so hyping up those picks comes with the territory but so many people talk about the kid having All Star potential when we are lucky if he gives us 5 points in a game. Teams disrespect the kid big time and give him tons of space often, he made the Wizards pay for this disrespect but most nights he just stands off to the side and watches Paolo and/or Franz go to work.

I’m not saying get rid of/give up on the kid or anything, but my eyes roll at so many Magic fans on social media gassing the kid up as a potential star. He literally has no bag on offense at the moment. He’s 19 and raw, but he’s got a LOT of work to do. At minimum it would be nice if he could alleviate some of the playmaking duties off our forwards but the coaches don’t trust him to do that and he is averaging under 2 assists a game.

[Bensational]

One good game and folks enshrining him in the HoF. Gimme a break Magic fans. He was the 5th overall pick. Can we have more games like this than one for every 30?

Hopefully it's a breakout game from a scoring perspective and not just a one hit wonder. Definitely a fun promsing moment, but 1 whole assist lol.

6th pick. And he’s 19.

Is that an excuse for something? I thought this was the thread declaring him as a star, the next Penny, and future HoF'er.

He’s no Jordan Hawkins, but he’s alright.

[tiderulz]

He needs to get to league average from three otherwise his ceiling isn't that high.

His size is pretty crazy for a guard though, I don't think many people quite understand how important those last couple inches are when closing out the perimeter and guarding against back downs.

If I had to make a projection, I would say that if he can learn to shoot then he's looking at Shaun Livingston pre injury with the upward projection, which is a really good player.

A taller Jrue Holdiay maybe?

There aren't that many players his size at PG in NBA history TBH, there is like Ben Simmons... and that's a bit of a scary comparison.

and, you know, Penny Hardaway

Penny would never be as passive as he has been on offense. They aren't similar players, just both tall.

the question was ceiling, not what he is right now. And they are a little similar. both strong defenders, bad 3 pt shooters, competent ball handling.

[p0peye]

Threads like this are pushing for judgement on 19 year old player that played 30 games so far. Since the best answer, which is "we don't know yet", is not acceptable (otherwise there wouldn't be this thread in first place) responses will either be based on evidence (he has played the role of 3&D wing with no indication of playmaking let alone running a point) or wishful thinking with no substance ("he is next Penny").

[JoshuaPotter]

Threads like this are pushing for judgement on 19 year old player that played 30 games so far. Since the best answer, which is "we don't know yet", is not acceptable (otherwise there wouldn't be this thread in first place) responses will either be based on evidence (he has played the role of 3&D wing with no indication of playmaking let alone running a point) or wishful thinking with no substance ("he is next Penny").

So me saying he is "the next GOAT" IS wishful thinking.

That tracks. Life of a Magic fan. Reality, cold cruel reality.

Also hoping for a PG that is better then career Jameer Nelson but not quite as good as Penny Hardaway is just unrealistic wishy washy hope for a Magic fan.

[basketballRob]

Going into Black's 3rd season, he'll be 6 months younger than Penny in his rookie season and has a chance to be better than him.

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[p0peye]

Threads like this are pushing for judgement on 19 year old player that played 30 games so far. Since the best answer, which is "we don't know yet", is not acceptable (otherwise there wouldn't be this thread in first place) responses will either be based on evidence (he has played the role of 3&D wing with no indication of playmaking let alone running a point) or wishful thinking with no substance ("he is next Penny").

So me saying he is "the next GOAT" IS wishful thinking.

That tracks. Life of a Magic fan. Reality, cold cruel reality.

Also hoping for a PG that is better then career Jameer Nelson but not quite as good as Penny Hardaway is just unrealistic wishy washy hope for a Magic fan.

You can hope for him to become whatever you want, next MJ included, but based on data we have so far on him it is unlikely - that is why it is called wishful thinking.

EDIT: Most important fact is that data we have so far make too small of a sample to pass judgement of what is possible and what not.

[JoshuaPotter]

Threads like this are pushing for judgement on 19 year old player that played 30 games so far. Since the best answer, which is "we don't know yet", is not acceptable (otherwise there wouldn't be this thread in first place) responses will either be based on evidence (he has played the role of 3&D wing with no indication of playmaking let alone running a point) or wishful thinking with no substance ("he is next Penny").

So me saying he is "the next GOAT" IS wishful thinking.

That tracks. Life of a Magic fan. Reality, cold cruel reality.

Also hoping for a PG that is better then career Jameer Nelson but not quite as good as Penny Hardaway is just unrealistic wishy washy hope for a Magic fan.

You can hope for him to become whatever you want, next MJ included, but based on data we have so far on him it is unlikely - that is why it is called wishful thinking.

Cool. Firm. Dispassionate.

[JoshuaPotter]

Going into Black's 3rd season, he'll be 6 months younger than Penny in his rookie season and has a chance to be better than him.

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My emotions!

How is our future draft pick you are raising?

Mine seems severely speech delayed. Going to bring the basketball hoop around here and see if he takes to it.

[p0peye]

So me saying he is "the next GOAT" IS wishful thinking.

That tracks. Life of a Magic fan. Reality, cold cruel reality.

Also hoping for a PG that is better then career Jameer Nelson but not quite as good as Penny Hardaway is just unrealistic wishy washy hope for a Magic fan.

You can hope for him to become whatever you want, next MJ included, but based on data we have so far on him it is unlikely - that is why it is called wishful thinking.

Cool. Firm. Dispassionate.

That's how most european fans view US fandom as well, too much focus on individuals in a team sport.

For contrast, we in Europe are very passionate about our team that almost resembles tribe-like allegiance and not care so much about players. It goes to the point that I can't name all the players on the roster of Partizan and I certainly do not care to lookup boxscores after the game, but I am very passionate about each and every win.

[Flannerz]

He'll make us all forget about the legend that is Travis Diener

[The-Stallion70]

Defensive minded role player.

His shot is slow and he doesn't appear comfortable shooting a jumpshot. His size is really nice to have at point and he has a good motor but I don't how he becomes a big offensive threat with a jumpshot like that.

[basketballRob]

He's probably a 25 ppg player at his peak.

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[pepe1991]

You can hope for him to become whatever you want, next MJ included, but based on data we have so far on him it is unlikely - that is why it is called wishful thinking.

Cool. Firm. Dispassionate.

That's how most european fans view US fandom as well, too much focus on individuals in a team sport.

For contrast, we in Europe are very passionate about our team that almost resembles tribe-like allegiance and not care so much about players. It goes to the point that I can't name all the players on the roster of Partizan and I certainly do not care to lookup boxscores after the game, but I am very passionate about each and every win.

Culture of being fan in Europe and US is completely different.

Especially soccer. Only reason why teams are "developing" young players isn't to build championship teams with them, but because young talented players are crazy expensive so selling them gives you money to buy real players- to win something with

[basketballRob]

Threads like this are pushing for judgement on 19 year old player that played 30 games so far. Since the best answer, which is "we don't know yet", is not acceptable (otherwise there wouldn't be this thread in first place) responses will either be based on evidence (he has played the role of 3&D wing with no indication of playmaking let alone running a point) or wishful thinking with no substance ("he is next Penny").

So me saying he is "the next GOAT" IS wishful thinking.

That tracks. Life of a Magic fan. Reality, cold cruel reality.

Also hoping for a PG that is better then career Jameer Nelson but not quite as good as Penny Hardaway is just unrealistic wishy washy hope for a Magic fan.

You can hope for him to become whatever you want, next MJ included, but based on data we have so far on him it is unlikely - that is why it is called wishful thinking.

EDIT: Most important fact is that data we have so far make too small of a sample to pass judgement of what is possible and what not.

Which data is that? Are we comparing him to other 19 year olds? Are we comparing him to 22 year olds? It makes a difference, and you have to have some foresight.

[JoshuaPotter]

He'll make us all forget about the legend that is Travis Diener

ppfftt might be his son

[p0peye]

So me saying he is "the next GOAT" IS wishful thinking.

That tracks. Life of a Magic fan. Reality, cold cruel reality.

Also hoping for a PG that is better then career Jameer Nelson but not quite as good as Penny Hardaway is just unrealistic wishy washy hope for a Magic fan.

You can hope for him to become whatever you want, next MJ included, but based on data we have so far on him it is unlikely - that is why it is called wishful thinking.

EDIT: Most important fact is that data we have so far make too small of a sample to pass judgement of what is possible and what not.

Which data is that? Are we comparing him to other 19 year olds? Are we comparing him to 22 year olds? It makes a difference, and you have to have some foresight.

I am not comparing him to anyone specific. Data I am referring to is the one about his skills on the court he has so far demonstrated, such as type of shots he tends to take and more importantly type of plays he is comfortable with. I do not want to dissect him in details this early in his career and you can look it up on NBA.com and take your own conclusions.

[Skybox]

He's probably a 25 ppg player at his peak.

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This is kind of a new look for you Rob. He's on course for 25 points this season

[basketballRob]

Black in 3rd in rookie EPM behind Chet and Lively.

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[yoyojw17]

He needs to get to league average from three otherwise his ceiling isn't that high.

His size is pretty crazy for a guard though, I don't think many people quite understand how important those last couple inches are when closing out the perimeter and guarding against back downs.

If I had to make a projection, I would say that if he can learn to shoot then he's looking at Shaun Livingston pre injury with the upward projection, which is a really good player.

A taller Jrue Holdiay maybe?

There aren't that many players his size at PG in NBA history TBH, there is like Ben Simmons... and that's a bit of a scary comparison.

If he does this.... i would be super excited! Efficient pg with great defense... possibly able to play on and off the ball. I'll take it! Would be ideal next to paolo and franz