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Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24 – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET)

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#241 » by Cuban Pete » Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:00 pm

I think we all concur that the Cs need to improve their bench at the TD. Moreover, expect other teams to make significant moves at that time. I'm not saying the Cs are "doomed", but they aren't perfect and will have a flaw in their bench heading into the playoffs if nothing is done. I can see them winning a championship regardless. I just want some insurance.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#242 » by Dogen » Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:03 pm

Shakey Deal wrote:Going over all players fitting into the Grant TPE, these are the ones that could be available and worth the extra tax:

Likely requiring at least one 1st-round pick:

Saddiq Bey (ATL) - $4,556,983:
Given Jalen Johnson's emergence, Bey may be considered redundant for Hawks.

Lonnie Walker (BRK) - $2,019,706:
If the Nets realise that they should be sellers, they could get a 1st out of Walker's expiring contract.

Corey Kispert (WAS) - $3,722,040, $5,705,887:
It's doubtful the Wizards would trade a part of their young core, but could do it for more draft picks.

Nick Richards (CHA) - $5,000,000, $5,000,000, $5,000,000:
My favorite option. A real C, capable of putting a body on players like Embiid, Adebayo, and Jokic, on a bargain 3-year contract. Probably will cost only a late 1st.

Isaiah Jackson (IND) - $2,696,280, $4,435,381:
Unlikely to be available, but given the presence of Turner, Toppin, and Jalen Smith, the Pacers might consider trading him for the right price.

Santi Aldama (MEM) - $2,194,200, $3,960,531:
With Clark's return and assuming Memphis shifts focus from this season, Aldama might fall out of the rotation behind JJJ, Tillman, Biyombo, and Clark.

Precious Achiuwa (TOR) - $4,379,527:
Raptors should be sellers, so from their standpoint it's basically Achiuwa's bird rights for a 1st.

Other options, likely to cost some 2nds:
Day'Ron Sharpe (BRK) - $2,210,040, $3,989,122
Andre Drummond (CHI) - $3,360,000
Torrey Craig (CHI) - $2,528,233, $2,845,342
Dean Wade (CLE) - $5,709,877, $6,166,667, $6,623,456
Dwight Powell (DAL) - $4,000,000, $4,000,000, $4,000,000
Jordan Nwora (IND) - $3,000,000
John Konchar (MEM) - $2,400,000, $6,165,000, $6,165,000, $6,165,000
Xavier Tillman (MEM) - $1,930,681
Naji Marshall (NOP) - $1,930,681
Aaron Wiggins (OKC) - $1,836,096, $1,988,598
Kenrich Williams (OKC) - $6,175,000, $6,669,000, $7,163,000, $7,163,000
Julian Champagnie (SAS) - $3,000,000, $3,000,000 $3,000,000 $3,000,000
Simone Fontecchio (UTA) - $3,044,872


Aldama, Jackson, Achuiwa, Tillman, Drummond for bigs

Konchar, Kispert, Marshall, Wiggins, maybe Nwora for wings

Most of these players probably not available, but no harm in looking at options. Thanks for making this great list!

If Memphis struggles, maybe one of Konchar or Aldama shakes loose. A lot might depend on Ja's play... and his mouth!
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#243 » by Dogen » Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:08 pm

Hal14 wrote:Just give me Konchar. Upgrade from Svi to him.

Monitor the buyout market to see if a big like Drummond or Olynyk (ideally Olynyk, of course) shakes loose and call it a day.

Let's get this banner, ya'll.

Some people have said Konchar is kind of like a poor man's D-White. This play is an example of that - looks very D-white-esque on this play..

Read on Twitter


This team doesn't *need* anything. But man, if you add Konchar and Olynyk to this team (and all we gave up is someone like Svi and maybe some 2nd rounders) - forget about it..we winning it.


This would be an ideal scenario. Konchar is in the upper echelon of available players that fit the TPE and the Celtics style. I agree that he is "White-lite" and could give some solid minutes and be happy to backup.

Olynyk buy out seems like a pipe dream, but if he wants to come back to Boston (he could get paid more elsewhere, yes?), Danny and Brad could have a handshake deal where Brad does him a solid later.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#244 » by Cuban Pete » Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:24 pm

Here's a trade...

Hawks get: Kyle Lowry, Josh Richardson, Thomas Bryant, Orlando Robinson

Heat get: Trae Young

Picks are implied.

Young is a failed superstar (can't build a championship team around him). Time to sell and tank. He would be a nice fit in Miami. Ironically, Miami is getting a better player than Lillard, IMO. Worse still for the Hawks is that they rank 29/30 in attendance. Only the Lizards are worse.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#245 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Dec 29, 2023 5:30 pm

Cuban Pete wrote:Here's a trade...

Hawks get: Kyle Lowry, Josh Richardson, Thomas Bryant, Orlando Robinson

Heat get: Trae Young

Picks are implied.

Young is a failed superstar (can't build a championship team around him). Time to sell and tank. He would be a nice fit in Miami. Ironically, Miami is getting a better player than Lillard, IMO. Worse still for the Hawks is that they rank 29/30 in attendance. Only the Lizards are worse.

Hawks hang up the phone before Pat Riley can finish Orlando Robin............

I am not a huge Trae Young fan but that's terrible.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#246 » by 24istheLAW » Fri Dec 29, 2023 5:38 pm

I want Kelly Olynyk back, for the return of long, bizarre, meandering forum posts about The Great Kelly Olynyk
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#247 » by snowman » Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:09 pm

I think if we utilize Queta and sign him as the 3rd/4th big along with Kornet our back up big man rotation is fine behind Porzingis and Horford, considering Tatum is going to play the bulk of his time at PF. I feel he is waiting until after the trade deadline to sign Queta just in case he needs the roster spot for a traded player.

I think with White, Holiday, Pritchard, and Banton as an emergency, our guard rotation is acceptable, but could improve some.

Brown and Hauser, with Brissett coming along are the only wings we can count on. Walsh will not see any time on the court this year.

Svi and Stevens seem to be the weak spot. Considering that neither are a guaranteed contract until Jan 10th, if I were Brad, I would do something with some combo of these two and a first round pick to pick up another G/F that can shoot.

There is no way Brad will actually hang on to our first-round this next draft pick, considering it is a guaranteed contract and going to be between 28 and 30 range. We also already have 2 second round picks coming up, so i give it an 80% chance that Brad will move the pick along with a player for a player that can be brought in with the TPE from the Grant trade. I could see our first-round pick and either Svi or Stevens for a SG/SF type of player of higher salary and another second-round pick back to us. Then he could sign Queta to a regular contract.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#248 » by Gant » Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:15 pm

snowman wrote:I think if we utilize Queta and sign him as the 3rd/4th big along with Kornet our back up big man rotation is fine behind Porzingis and Horford, considering Tatum is going to play the bulk of his time at PF. I feel he is waiting until after the trade deadline to sign Queta just in case he needs the roster spot for a traded player.

I think with White, Holiday, Pritchard, and Banton as an emergency, our guard rotation is acceptable, but could improve some.

Brown and Hauser, with Brissett coming along are the only wings we can count on. Walsh will not see any time on the court this year.

Svi and Stevens seem to be the weak spot. Considering that neither are a guaranteed contract until Jan 10th, if I were Brad, I would do something with some combo of these two and a first round pick to pick up another G/F that can shoot.

There is no way Brad will actually hang on to our first-round this next draft pick, considering it is a guaranteed contract and going to be between 28 and 30 range. We also already have 2 second round picks coming up, so i give it an 80% chance that Brad will move the pick along with a player for a player that can be brought in with the TPE from the Grant trade. I could see our first-round pick and either Svi or Stevens for a SG/SF type of player of higher salary and another second-round pick back to us. Then he could sign Queta to a regular contract.


That's a good analysis. Maybe Danny Ainge traumatized coach Brad Stevens with all those first round picks. Now as GM, Brad just shakes his head at first rounders and mutters, "I really hate those things..."
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#249 » by Cuban Pete » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:40 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Cuban Pete wrote:Here's a trade...

Hawks get: Kyle Lowry, Josh Richardson, Thomas Bryant, Orlando Robinson

Heat get: Trae Young

Picks are implied.

Young is a failed superstar (can't build a championship team around him). Time to sell and tank. He would be a nice fit in Miami. Ironically, Miami is getting a better player than Lillard, IMO. Worse still for the Hawks is that they rank 29/30 in attendance. Only the Lizards are worse.

Hawks hang up the phone before Pat Riley can finish Orlando Robin............

I am not a huge Trae Young fan but that's terrible.


I did say picks were implied. The Heat have a pool of six #1s they can deal from or, the Hawks can continue to suck and not draw fans. They are 12-18 ATM and Miami is one of the few teams that can absorb his contract.
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Post#250 » by 165bows » Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:52 pm

Jitty/Tillman to Boston
Olynyk to Memphis
D. Rose, Svi, seconds to Utah.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#251 » by Parliament10 » Fri Dec 29, 2023 11:32 pm

Gant wrote:
snowman wrote:I think if we utilize Queta and sign him as the 3rd/4th big along with Kornet our back up big man rotation is fine behind Porzingis and Horford, considering Tatum is going to play the bulk of his time at PF. I feel he is waiting until after the trade deadline to sign Queta just in case he needs the roster spot for a traded player.

I think with White, Holiday, Pritchard, and Banton as an emergency, our guard rotation is acceptable, but could improve some.

Brown and Hauser, with Brissett coming along are the only wings we can count on. Walsh will not see any time on the court this year.

Svi and Stevens seem to be the weak spot. Considering that neither are a guaranteed contract until Jan 10th, if I were Brad, I would do something with some combo of these two and a first round pick to pick up another G/F that can shoot.

There is no way Brad will actually hang on to our first-round this next draft pick, considering it is a guaranteed contract and going to be between 28 and 30 range. We also already have 2 second round picks coming up, so i give it an 80% chance that Brad will move the pick along with a player for a player that can be brought in with the TPE from the Grant trade. I could see our first-round pick and either Svi or Stevens for a SG/SF type of player of higher salary and another second-round pick back to us. Then he could sign Queta to a regular contract.


That's a good analysis. Maybe Danny Ainge traumatized coach Brad Stevens with all those first round picks. Now as GM, Brad just shakes his head at first rounders and mutters, "I really hate those things..."

The 2nd Round Picks allow for more Flexibility. I don't see us Drafting many 1st Rounders in Brad's time.
But, wait 'til they finally add a 3rd Round, and 5 x Two-Ways, then the plot will really thicken.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#252 » by Parliament10 » Fri Dec 29, 2023 11:41 pm

Here we go.


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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#253 » by brackdan70 » Fri Dec 29, 2023 11:41 pm

165bows wrote:Jitty/Tillman to Boston
Olynyk to Memphis
D. Rose, Svi, seconds to Utah.

I like adding Tillman. Should I know who Jitty is?

Edit: nvm. Figured it out.

Yes make that trade.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#254 » by playa-hater » Fri Dec 29, 2023 11:42 pm

Cuban Pete wrote:Queta was getting killed on the defensive boards tonight. He doesn't have the ability to box out against taller centers. That, and he's a foul waiting to happen (8.0 PF/100pos).


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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#255 » by BK_2020 » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:28 am

165bows wrote:Jitty/Tillman to Boston
Olynyk to Memphis
D. Rose, Svi, seconds to Utah.

Who is Jitty, is it Ja Morant by any chance?
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Post#256 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:36 am

Parliament10 wrote:Here we go.


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Would be cool to have two Shvis/Svis on the team.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#257 » by Riverwalk2021 » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:39 am

Lonnie Walker (pure scorer) and Drummond (rebounder and bulk) are cheap options on expiring contracts that make a lot of sense to me.
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Post#258 » by 165bows » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:54 am

The other Champagnie is worth noting as an option though I’m not sure what he does differently than Brissett.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#259 » by brackdan70 » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:31 am

Kornet is now on my untouchable list.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, Lucky Part 13 

Post#260 » by snowman » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:04 am

I will admit that at the first of the year, I wanted Queta over Kornet. As the season progressed, I change that way of thinking by wanting both on the regular roster for health reasons. Now, I give Kornet his props, he had a great game tonight, and I do not think Queta could have made the plays Kornet did. I still want Boston to sign Queta to the 15th spot, as the 4th big, with Kornet being the third big. I feel both are needed. Even if Queta only plays during end of game blowouts, that is better than having Porzingis or Horford on the court and get hurt for nothing or run up their minutes.

I will stand by my last post in that I don't think Svi or Stevens are showing enough, and one or both need to be moved along with our upcoming 1st round pick for a player that fits into Grants TPE that can shoot and defend off the bench. I think Brad has shown that he would rather have a high 2nd round pick (31-33) then a low 1st round pick (29-30). That way you can sign the player picked with the 2nd round pick to a two-way contract, verses having to guarantee a player picked at the end of the 1st round to a guaranteed money deal.

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