2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

Jeffrey · Post #1581 » by **Jeffrey** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:05 am

KnixinSix wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:I'm looking at everyone's trade ideas and including mine in regards to OG. Why are we giving up so much for an expiring contract even though we are interested in re-signing him? Most expiring contracts in the NBA, you don't give up that much. James Harden's trade was an outlier and even then they didn't give up Mann or whoever else they wanted.

Hardens value has dropped quite a bit since the Nets aquired him. Hes got attitude issues, is in the twilight and doesn't play defense.

OG is in his prime. He also switched to CAA which gives us a big leg up in re-signing him. Ultimately, I don't think he costs the moon to trade for but it'll cost something decent.

Again, show me an expiring contract at the deadline that gave up a young solid piece (with 4 years left) and multiple draft picks for a 3 month rental.

Chanel Bomber · Post #1582 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:32 am

Reposting the RJ for Bojan idea because I really like it

RHODEY · Post #1583 » by **RHODEY** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:53 am

KnixinSix wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
With the smaller and defensively challenged Brunson and the way Thibs likes to construct a roster, I would be surprised if Levine Is the preferred larger 2 guard VS Murray. Now if Caruso and/or Williams was involved, that might change things a bit. Also keep in mind Lavines contract is basically double Murray s and he also much more injury prone too.

Right the advantage to Murray is that he's cheaper than Donovan or Lavine, while being a better fit. How much cheaper remains to be seen...

My educated guess is Thibs is 'feeling' an uneasiness about how to play defense next to Brunson in the backcourt right now. Grimes and DDV while a bit taller and good defenders are not true top level starting 2 guards (who are consistent scorers night in and night out) nor can they back up the 1 at a high level.

Murray is all those things in 1 package. Let's be honest, LaVine is not a strong complementary defender to Brunson at all. Murray would be. While the pure dynamic scoring edge goes to LaVine, almost every other check box goes to Murray.

My best guess is (on their thinking not mine) for plan A guys are some form of: Murray, OG (obviously the law suit is a big x factor) and maybe Markenen (if truly available)

Exactly. And Lavines extra (5pts?)scoring is not worth the ~20 million in contracts we'd have to give up to get him. Really that contract is almost an albatross

Plan B guys would be: LaVine, Donovon Mitchell, then the more complemnary guys like Caruso, Pat Williams etc.

cgf · Post #1584 » by **cgf** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:03 am

cgf wrote:CHI in: Barrett + Houstan + Fournier + 24 DAL/NYK FRP + DET FRP
CHI out: Lavine + P.Williams

NYK in: Lavine + P.Williams + W.Carter
NYK out: Barrett + DiVincenzo + Sims + Fournier + 24 NYK FRP + 24 DAL FRP + DET FRP

ORL in: Gafford + T.Jones + DiVincenzo
ORL out: W.Carter + Fultz + Houstan + 25 DEN FRP

WSH in: Sims + Fultz + 24 DAL/NYK FRP + 25 DEN FRP
WSH out: Gafford + T.Jones

Brunson | Quickley | McBride
Lavine | Grimes
P.Williams | Hart
Randle
(Robinson) | Hartenstein | W.Carter | Gibson

How about now?

nyk2017 · Post #1585 » by **nyk2017** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:13 am

We need to trade RJ ASAP while he still retains some value. By this time next year, his contract will likely become an albatross and we will be talking about attaching 1-2 FRPs just to get rid of him so we can make room for a superstar.

aggo · Post #1586 » by **aggo** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:17 am

Iq + rj
For
Reaves + Rui

WargamesX · Post #1587 » by **WargamesX** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:33 pm

Honestly I don’t think I want to trade the Knicks draft pick this year. It might end up in the lottery. :nonono:

Buttah304 · Post #1588 » by **Buttah304** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:16 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:Reposting the RJ for Bojan idea because I really like it

RJ & Killian together

2 of the Infinity Bricks

FrozenEnvelope · Post #1589 » by **FrozenEnvelope** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:56 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:Reposting the RJ for Bojan idea because I really like it

Yes, let's trade a 23 year old for a 34 year old. Smart! :roll:

Spree2Houston · Post #1590 » by **Spree2Houston** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:06 pm

FrozenEnvelope wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Reposting the RJ for Bojan idea because I really like it

Yes, let's trade a 23 year old for a 34 year old. Smart!

Cap space for 2024 or 2025.

FrozenEnvelope · Post #1591 » by **FrozenEnvelope** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:15 pm

Spree2Houston wrote:
FrozenEnvelope wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Reposting the RJ for Bojan idea because I really like it

Yes, let's trade a 23 year old for a 34 year old. Smart!

Cap space for 2024 or 2025.

And who's the realistic target?

Spree2Houston · Post #1592 » by **Spree2Houston** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:33 pm

FrozenEnvelope wrote:
Spree2Houston wrote:
FrozenEnvelope wrote:
Yes, let's trade a 23 year old for a 34 year old. Smart!

Cap space for 2024 or 2025.

And who's the realistic target?

Donovan Mitchell. The only guy willing to come here

Chanel Bomber · Post #1593 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:38 pm

FrozenEnvelope wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Reposting the RJ for Bojan idea because I really like it

Yes, let's trade a 23 year old for a 34 year old. Smart!

Better player, better contract. It allows you to retain and acquire better players by avoiding the second apron in 2025 and by having more contract flexibility.

RJ's contract is dead weight, but it could fast become untradable entirely and prevent us from retaining IQ with the looming Brunson max extension in 2025 (or from trading for a star). Yes, even at his age. It's not about capspace, it's about the apron.

DaGawd · Post #1594 » by **DaGawd** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:48 pm

nyk2017 wrote:We need to trade RJ ASAP while he still retains some value. By this time next year, his contract will likely become an albatross and we will be talking about attaching 1-2 FRPs just to get rid of him so we can make room for a superstar.

i’d say it’s a bit too late for that

eagle54 · Post #1595 » by **eagle54** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:08 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
FrozenEnvelope wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Reposting the RJ for Bojan idea because I really like it

Yes, let's trade a 23 year old for a 34 year old. Smart!

Better player, better contract. It allows you to retain and acquire better players by avoiding the second apron in 2025 and by having more contract flexibility.

RJ's contract is dead weight, but it could fast become untradable entirely and prevent us from retaining IQ with the looming Brunson max extension in 2025 (or from trading for a star). Yes, even at his age. It's not about capspace, it's about the apron.

we could probably land bojan fore fournier and a second round...

Spree2Houston · Post #1596 » by **Spree2Houston** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:24 pm

Spree2Houston wrote:
FrozenEnvelope wrote:
Spree2Houston wrote:
Cap space for 2024 or 2025.

And who's the realistic target?

Donovan Mitchell. The only guy willing to come here

And just like that RJ is gone lol

Chanel Bomber · Post #1597 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:37 pm

eagle54 wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:
FrozenEnvelope wrote:
Yes, let's trade a 23 year old for a 34 year old. Smart!

Better player, better contract. It allows you to retain and acquire better players by avoiding the second apron in 2025 and by having more contract flexibility.

RJ's contract is dead weight, but it could fast become untradable entirely and prevent us from retaining IQ with the looming Brunson max extension in 2025 (or from trading for a star). Yes, even at his age. It's not about capspace, it's about the apron.

we could probably land bojan fore fournier and a second round...

The point of the proposal is primarly to shed RJ's contract while getting some value back.

Trading Fournier for Bojan kills one bird with one stone (improving the roster). Trading RJ for Bojan kills two (improving the roster and helping the books for more flexibility in trades and FA).

LookToShoot · Post #1598 » by **LookToShoot** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:40 pm

LookToShoot wrote:RJ for OG

My wish came true!

Skybox · Post #1599 » by **Skybox** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:45 pm

LookToShoot wrote:
LookToShoot wrote:RJ for OG

My wish came true!

RJ AND IQ and "draft considerations" for an elite role player...not sure I love it for NYK (unless OG has another gear we haven't seen)...especially when he demands $35m this summer. He's an awesome player, but IDK

LookToShoot · Post #1600 » by **LookToShoot** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:48 pm

Skybox wrote:
LookToShoot wrote:
LookToShoot wrote:RJ for OG

My wish came true!

RJ AND IQ and "draft considerations" for an elite role player...not sure I love it for NYK (unless OG has another gear we haven't seen)...especially when he demands $35m this summer. He's an awesome player, but IDK

I hate to lose IQ, but it had to be done to get rid of RJ (never should have paid him in the first place). OG is a selfless and mature player and he'll fit right in with what Thibs wants him to do.