SGA vs Doncic

[iggymcfrack]

SGA still can't shoot 3s which is a major flaw in his game. Give me Luka.

SGA’s been cold from three this season and his 3-point shooting could certainly improve, but he actually has a better career 3-point percentage than Luka and has outshot him from three in 4 out of 5 full seasons. Now granted, he wasn’t taking anywhere near Luka’s volume and certainly wasn’t taking anywhere near as many grenade threes with the clock running down, but there’s not any sort of chasm between them in perimeter shooting. SGA’s a much better free throw shooter as well.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I know SGA averaging almost 3 steals a game, but how much pg sg really impacts the defense in todays game? I take Luka for sure, he controls entire game at superstar level. I am just afraid he does it too much, and although most his teammates benefit from it, some really dont.

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Shai is one of 5 players in the league with 100 stocks (Chet is one of the other ones). He mixes it up down low and often steals the ball from his primary opponent as well as from bigs. So imo it matters a lot still.

SGA also has a deep bag of moves, more dangerous when he picks up his dribble in the paint than when he has it, one of if not the best mid range shooters, elite deceleration and finishing. Knows the three isn’t his best shot but needs to get a bit better there to really do it all offensively.

That being said, while SGA is my dude, I don’t begrudge anyone who says he needs to prove it in the playoffs first. And Luka is just a truly insane offensive engine, will be an all time scorer and player.

[Dadouv47]

2 months ago I would have said Doncic > SGA but somehow I underrated the guy on my team...he's on another level right now. I have no clue if this sustainable but his defense is so elite and he can't miss a midrange shot so I would put him over Doncic even if it's very close and can change quickly.

[MMyhre]

Luka is probably more skilled, yet cant lose weight and play non-heliocentric/selfish or play defense so for impact SGA. Question should be valuable/better/impactful right now, I dont care about Lukas skill if he cant lose some fking weight so he can 1 be a better athlete 2 have a better motor because he aint dragging 15 boxes of cola extra down the court and 3 play better defense because he doesnt have the lateral mobility of an old man. No respect for someone so great to not do something as easy as lose completely unnecessary body fat, which could just be less fat and more muscle if you want to use the "post up" and strength argument.

[Baz]

Depends on the day...last night it was SGA...putting up 40 in a win against Denver- Christmas it was Luka...

Luka shoots better from 3 but takes 10 3s a game...SGA 30 with what 3 a game ?

SGA 90% from ft and Luka mid 70s%...

SGA defense much much better - Luka 2 more points per game...

It’s preference - if you prefer a 2 way player that can lock up the other guy and give you 30 it’s SGA-

If you prefer a primary ball dominant offensive guy that has victory or defeat in his hands all game running the Show it’s Luka


It’s healthy Kawhi or baby MJ vs a baby harden - can’t go wrong either way

You really are Luka's biggest hater/secret fan I can't tell which

[Ayt]

If we are just talking skill, this is easily Luka and SGA is one of my favorite players in the league.

[rapstarter]

Luka is probably more skilled, yet cant lose weight and play non-heliocentric/selfish or play defense so for impact SGA. Question should be valuable/better/impactful right now, I dont care about Lukas skill if he cant lose some fking weight so he can 1 be a better athlete 2 have a better motor because he aint dragging 15 boxes of cola extra down the court and 3 play better defense because he doesnt have the lateral mobility of an old man. No respect for someone so great to not do something as easy as lose completely unnecessary body fat, which could just be less fat and more muscle if you want to use the "post up" and strength argument.

You say all this as if we are evaluating a hypothetical fit Doncic. Fatcic has been one of the best and the most skilled players in the league for years now.

[STAT_88]

Top 10 players in the league atm (If I’m trying to win a championship this year)

1. Jokic
2. Giannis
3. Luka
4. Embiid
5. SGA
6. Durant
7. LeBron
8. Kawhi
9. Steph
10. Tatum


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[Old Man Game]

In terms of "skillful" I think offensive skill and that I'll give to Luka for sure.

Skills aside, I wonder what the narrative around Luke would be if he'd been forced to endure a 2-3 year hard tank like SGA did under Presti? Something tells me he wouldn't have handled it well.

[cupcakesnake]

Both are bringing MVP-level play this season. Both break down the defense at will and get wherever they want on the court.

They're both so good at scoring that I don't really care to differentiate in that category. It should come down to how you weigh their defense and playmaking. If you think Luka's defense is a big problem, you should probably lean Shai. If you think Luka's defense is just meh and his playmaking is a big upgrade over Shai, Luka is the reasonable pick.

[CodeBreaker]

Luka has GOAT potential. SGA is top 20-potential at best.

[JN61]

Frankly playmaking > defense from your guard position. Doncic is better player.

[JN61]

In terms of "skillful" I think offensive skill and that I'll give to Luka for sure.

Skills aside, I wonder what the narrative around Luke would be if he'd been forced to endure a 2-3 year hard tank like SGA did under Presti? Something tells me he wouldn't have handled it well.

Well he was forced to that situation. But he is skilled enough to drag even bottom feeders into mediocre competition.

[Texas Chuck]

In terms of "skillful" I think offensive skill and that I'll give to Luka for sure.

Skills aside, I wonder what the narrative around Luke would be if he'd been forced to endure a 2-3 year hard tank like SGA did under Presti? Something tells me he wouldn't have handled it well.

Well he was forced to that situation. But he is skilled enough to drag even bottom feeders into mediocre competition.

Luka was drafted to a really bad team. Who traded away basically all of their veteran players his rookie season. Luka was just so good so fast, that a team of Luka, KP, and role players was playoff ready immediately. And last year they sucked and this year they have been destroyed by injuries and Luka isn't handling it poorly. He's playing huge minutes and trying to carry the team on his back.

As to the topic, yes please. I think every franchise would be thrilled to have either guy. Luka is pure basketball joy for me. But if SGA was a Mav, I'd get to be in awe of his greatness nightly.

Can't make a bad choice here.

[RunOKC]

it’s probably Luka since he’s been carrying his team since day 1, but the fact that SGA developed his game so much the last 3 years that we’re having a serious debate about who’s better is incredible

[Patches Perry]

Pretty close to a wash. Scoring seems to be a wash, maybe slight advantage Shai for being more efficient. Luka is clearly a better passer. Shai is clearly a better more impactful defender.

From there, it's kind of just about values. I'd prefer Shai for a more balanced offense and more balanced defense, while still having the cutthroat killer to finish games. Luka can single-handedly make your team good with almost no help, which is impressive in it's own right and I don't think Shai could do that. With Luka, he is a marvel and way too good to not have the ball in his hands all the time every play. So the result is, your offense with him will always be better off letting him orchestrate every possession. It's kind of a gift and a curse.

It's cliche but I think Luka raises the floor more than Shai while Shai gives you a higher ceiling.

[MrBigShot]

They are really, really close. Luka is probably slightly better at his absolute best, but SGA is having a slightly better season

[NBA4Lyfe]

Doncics on-court value is overrated. The on/off stats for his career are pretty average. Everything he scores on one end he usually gives it right back on the other end

SGA has been better the better guard this year and it’s not close in my eyes

[JWillTheFreak]

Doncics on-court value is overrated. The on/off stats for his career are pretty average. Everything he scores on one end he usually gives it right back on the other end

SGA has been better the better guard this year and it’s not close in my eyes

Not close that's laughable...

[flintsky21]

I've never seen a player drop 30+ a night as effortlessly as Luka. I know defense matters, but Jokic has shown that a once in a generation offensive talent is good enough to lead a team to a title. Now Dallas has a long way to go before surrounding Luka with a support cast like the one in Denver, and the Thunder has done a better job in that aspect.