Ryoga Hibiki wrote:wafflzgod wrote:Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
well, last playoffs he was very good but the same limitations were there, just the Denver switching defense with Gordon at center was working great.
Well, the fact that he led non-Jokic lineups to a 114 ORTG in the postseason last year is impressive considering these were generally defensively slanted lineups during the non-Jokic/Jamal-on minutes
well, those lineups had at least 3 of the other starters + Brown, with Green and Braun playing limited minutes.
An actual all NBA level guard I suspect could have done better than that.
That’s hating lol
Last playoffs:
Jamal + Jokic = 123 off rtg, 111 def rtg
Jamal no Jokic 114 off rtg, 111 def rtg
Jokic, no jamal 111 off rtg, 117 def rtg
Don’t understand what point you’re trying to make here, murray isn’t that good in the RS and hit a mode in the playoffs, yes, its valid to say he benefits from having a good pick and roll partner in Jokic so they can’t trap him although I don’t even think he’s struggled vs those coverages and I know in the bubble he was faaar better at playmaking out of aggressive coverages than lillard, but that absolutely goes both ways and no ones gameplan is to help off murray to guard Jokic or vice versa, people that go beyond that and talk about gameplans and being the focus of gameplans don’t understand how adjustments and gameplans go, it’s by actions. In pick and rolls Murray is good enough that you aren’t going to run a coverage that lets him go wild to not let Jokic get possessions (and the type of bigs that cause those situations are more hard roll lobtypes), and murray is able to playmake out of aggressive coverages and string out soft hedges and force switches for him or Jokic to attack better than most of the elite ball handlers in the nba.
They compliment each other and Jokic is the best in the league while murray doesn’t hit that genuine star level till the playoffs, but we don’t need to start acting like he’s mid and a product of Jokic’s play beyond not being able to do it like that in the RS this far and probably not being able to lead a top tier offense all by himself if you don’t have well fitting pieces around him, whatever that entails
