PG Cavs - Bucks Survive

[MiltownHawkeye]

My favorite thing about Beasley this season continues to be the fact that LeBron and the Lakers completely failed to make him work

And unless i missed something over beas 7 years in the league never ever geard him being a dick beaing hard to work with bad locker room guy.Listening to him talk hes very happy to be here in milwaukee said he felt welcome from day 1.HES been the perfect fit here a better O version on allen.

For what it's worth Griffin really bought into him early on and it seems to have paid off for him. If we did what most of this board (myself included) would have done and had him fighting with the other wings for minutes we might not have gotten the same result. Instead of just being a journeyman/afterthought like everywhere else Griffin told him he was the guy at SG and counted on him to be a two-way guy. Even if the results on that end have been...polarizing he's been giving some of the most effort on the team.

[BigO]

Bucks Def. Rating:
Lopez: 112.3
Middleton: 112.9
Beasley: 113.3
Giannis: 113.4
AJ Green: 113.8
Beauchamp: 114.2
Lillard: 114.6
Payne: 115
Connaughton: 115
Portis: 115.5
AJJ: 118.3

Net Rating:
Middleton: 10.6
AJ Green: 8.4
Giannis: 8.2
Beasley: 7.8
Lillard: 7.1
Portis: 6.4
Lopez: 5.4
Connaughton: 5.1
Beauchamp: 4.6
Payne: 1.6
AJJ: -5.1

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612749/players-advanced?dir=D&sort=NET_RATING

I've always thought AJ Green was better than Giannis. Seriously, though, he deserves more playing time. I'd be fine losing a few games if it it tells us who on the bench can be trusted in big games. No way of knowing right now.

I will say that AJJ has not looked good defensively. He's getting blown by repeatedly. He doesn't seem to understand that you can't play a guy like Donovan Mitchell so close.

[BUCKnation]

Loved spamming the dame/giannis pnr down the stretch. Feels like the first time weve heavily used it and it looks good. Giannis was much better at setting.

With regard to the cam discussion, feel like we can figure out pretty quickly whether or not he’ll be good which is kinda nice. Been good overall as a pick up but he’s been a lot more up and down recently.

Feels like this team goes about the game like they will score on every possession, so why try on defense mentality.

[tedbrogen]

Moving Beasley to the bench completely negates his best trait, hitting these wide open threes he's getting due to the enormous gravity of Giannis and Dame's existence.

This. He’s an absolute killer on those corner threes and even if the opponent closes out in time, he side steps it and buries it anyways.

Also, he’s giving by far the most effort on D for the starters and is nowhere near the most abused guy in the starting lineup.

But we were all told multiple times that this wasn't possible.

I was one of the loudest shouting that and I was completely wrong.

[tedbrogen]

Bucks Def. Rating:
Lopez: 112.3
Middleton: 112.9
Beasley: 113.3
Giannis: 113.4
AJ Green: 113.8
Beauchamp: 114.2
Lillard: 114.6
Payne: 115
Connaughton: 115
Portis: 115.5
AJJ: 118.3

Net Rating:
Middleton: 10.6
AJ Green: 8.4
Giannis: 8.2
Beasley: 7.8
Lillard: 7.1
Portis: 6.4
Lopez: 5.4
Connaughton: 5.1
Beauchamp: 4.6
Payne: 1.6
AJJ: -5.1

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612749/players-advanced?dir=D&sort=NET_RATING

I've always thought AJ Green was better than Giannis. Seriously, though, he deserves more playing time. I'd be fine losing a few games if it it tells us who on the bench can be trusted in big games. No way of knowing right now.

I will say that AJJ has not looked good defensively. He's getting blown by repeatedly. He doesn't seem to understand that you can't play a guy like Donovan Mitchell so close.

Someone really needs to explain to Dre that if he played half a step off people, they’d no longer be able to blow by him but he’d still be able to close out on them.

The over aggressiveness is also what is causing all his fouls.

[fan230]

Overall the opinion seems to be that Beas should continue to be the starter. I love his offense.

I love our offense but I have to accept that our defense will continue to be weak. I cannot have my cake and eat it too. Nor can anyone else I think.

Jae then should be a bench player with a strong defense. Maybe he should play minutes with the starters too and that way defense will be better.

I enjoy watching exciting offense but I worry about putting all our eggs in one basket. Will our offense continue to blow out teams? Will the offense overcome our defense performance when playing stronger teams or/and during playoffs?

The point is our starting 5 is strongest with the current player composition but our guards are weak on defense. And players like ajj aj mjb are not too good in offense or defense. So it is a bit of an impasse. I hope ag can somehow modify his defensive scheme such that our current starters play better defense.

[old skool]

Beasley leads the NBA in 4th quarter total +/-, with a +115.

For context:

Dame #4 +86
Lopez & Giannis #5 (tied) +82
Middleton #8 +78

Additionally, Beasley is 11th in the NBA in 4Q 3FGs made with 23, 8th in Steals with 11.

[nagawicka]

Basketball Reference says that the Dame - Beas - Khris - Giannis - Brook lineup has a +16.3 net rating so far this year.

Here's how the Bucks top lineups by minutes played have fared in previous seasons:

22-23: +8.0
Jrue - Grayson - Pat - Giannis - Brook
(With Khris in for Pat they were +12.0)

21-22: +9.4
Jrue - Grayson - Khris - Giannis - Bobby

20-21: +8.2
Jrue - Donte - Khris - Giannis - Brook

19-20: +18.8
Bledsoe - Wes - Khris - Giannis - Brook

18-19: +6.0
Bledsoe - Brogdon - Khris - Giannis - Brook

Considering the dominance of the starting five so far this year, I don't any reason to change it up at this point.

Noice, big indicators if numbers hold up. Also, sorry 'bout your mom.

[nagawicka]

If the Cavs shoot an average pct from 3 they win this by double digits, I know you’re one of the rosy posters on here but it’s fair to address concerns down the road for this team given they seem to be getting off the hook in the regular season. Somewhat of a continuation of last season in that sense, their Net Rating/Margin of Victory was underwhelming considering they had the best record in the league and then they get exposed in the Playoffs. Worried about a similar fate but an inverse type of team with great offense and questionable at best defense.

I knew there was some reason we shouldn't be happy we won on the road against a pretty good team that was hitting shots and had momentum before we bitch-slapped them. Thanks for clarifying; I'll try to wipe the smile off my face.

Can you also explain why being 11-2 in December is a bad thing? Thanks.

Definitely not a bad thing by itself. Fool’s gold if our underlying issues aren’t addressed due to the great results? Possibly. I’m reading a book right now called ‘Atomic Habits’ and this is very relevant, but inversely. Focus is on the process instead of results. In this case, you could argue we could get too focused on the positive results that we don’t alter our process and it bites us in the end.

Too bad we can't get a dozen of the finest basketball minds--and players!--alive today to work on process and result at the same time. How many 2nds do we have and how many do we need to bring in some experts who are really good at this.

[nagawicka]

Giannis misses dunk, Allen makes jumpshots off the board, defense looks terrible, offense looks shaky, turnovers leading to open layups and the Bucks down by double digits.

Yeah we have no chance tonight onto the next one...

10 minutes later....

Bucks lead by 15 points...

If the Cavs shoot an average pct from 3 they win this by double digits, I know you’re one of the rosy posters on here but it’s fair to address concerns down the road for this team given they seem to be getting off the hook in the regular season. Somewhat of a continuation of last season in that sense, their Net Rating/Margin of Victory was underwhelming considering they had the best record in the league and then they get exposed in the Playoffs. Worried about a similar fate but an inverse type of team with great offense and questionable at best defense.

I knew there was some reason we shouldn't be happy we won on the road against a pretty good team that was hitting shots and had momentum before we bitch-slapped them. Thanks for clarifying; I'll try to wipe the smile off my face.

Can you also explain why being 11-2 in December is a bad thing? Thanks.

NOICE

[theFireBlanket]

Beasley leads the NBA in 4th quarter total +/-, with a +115.

For context:

Dame #4 +86
Lopez & Giannis #5 (tied) +82
Middleton #8 +78

Additionally, Beasley is 11th in the NBA in 4Q 3FGs made with 23, 8th in Steals with 11.

Feeding off of the gravity afforded & has the most to gain. Sticking in the NBA, earning more than the minimum.

Which is great, every hired gun the Bucks find never quite pans out like this.

Middleton has been absolutely solid.

[nagawicka]

Giannis misses dunk, Allen makes jumpshots off the board, defense looks terrible, offense looks shaky, turnovers leading to open layups and the Bucks down by double digits.

Yeah we have no chance tonight onto the next one...

10 minutes later....

Bucks lead by 15 points...

This. They should have been down nine at the half after the awful Midds transition pass that led to a wide open Cavs three, but they were gifted a foul call on a Giannis drive so it was only 7. Then the offense turned it in in the third and casually dropped 40…

Nope, there is no 'should have been down nine': the passes to nowhere, dribbling into traffic and losing it--all that occurred in the real world.

[theFireBlanket]

https://youtube.com/shorts/PrxNjyCAtyA?si=AAFrA-Ok9pU47-bt

Gil is a moron.

Watch on YouTube

[nagawicka]

Bucks Def. Rating:
Lopez: 112.3
Middleton: 112.9
Beasley: 113.3
Giannis: 113.4
AJ Green: 113.8
Beauchamp: 114.2
Lillard: 114.6
Payne: 115
Connaughton: 115
Portis: 115.5
AJJ: 118.3

Net Rating:
Middleton: 10.6
AJ Green: 8.4
Giannis: 8.2
Beasley: 7.8
Lillard: 7.1
Portis: 6.4
Lopez: 5.4
Connaughton: 5.1
Beauchamp: 4.6
Payne: 1.6
AJJ: -5.1

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612749/players-advanced?dir=D&sort=NET_RATING

I've always thought AJ Green was better than Giannis. Seriously, though, he deserves more playing time. I'd be fine losing a few games if it it tells us who on the bench can be trusted in big games. No way of knowing right now.

I will say that AJJ has not looked good defensively. He's getting blown by repeatedly. He doesn't seem to understand that you can't play a guy like Donovan Mitchell so close.

Playing AJ Green isn't a recipe for losing games, wtf He's been overlooked and undervalued while reliably being in the right place at the right time and generally coming through. AJDre deserves all the burn he can handle, you gotta wade in the river to find the flow and teh roster needs that. will be fun watching Green take it up a notch and ajj move to the groove as his seasoning kicks in