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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#241 » by TB » Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:21 pm

jozef wrote:There is no replacement to Dray. We talk championship.
Kuminga is reliable backup PF.


Kuminga is not a reliable backup, plus he is not happy being a backup. Heck, he wasn't happy being a starter and not getting back in the game when he expected. He needs to be traded.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#242 » by jozef » Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:58 pm

In backup competition he is ok. He has great motor. He probably thinks he is smarter than he really is cause he smiles after every mistake. He is still very young.
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Post#243 » by CDM_Stats » Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:54 am

Kuminga is in no way/shape/form a PF. A lot of us - myself included - really thought he would be that, but he simply can't be it. You have to keep him on-ball and thats hard to do as a PF
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#244 » by HiRez » Sun Dec 31, 2023 6:06 am

We're picking on this player or that player night to night. Yes, there could be adjustments on minutes, lineups, positions. But it feels to me like there's a general malaise hanging over this team that goes beyond just player production. Draymond coming back probably doesn't solve it because he's part of the problem and the aura of confusion was there before he got suspended anyway.

The easiest way to fix that is with a head coaching change. I can't see the Warriors doing it mid-season but if they really want to move forward with Kerr, if he's really the guy they believe will deliver more championships, why doesn't he have a new contract yet? If you're going to move on from him why not rip off the bandaid as soon as possible and give a new coach as much time as you can to settle in? At this point they've dug a pretty large hole and it's looking a lot like last season where even if they manage to dig their way out, they'll expend so much energy doing it and put so many minutes on the aging vets (35 minutes on Curry in another loss tonight), they'll have nothing left for a playoff run.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#245 » by Onus » Sun Dec 31, 2023 6:13 am

HiRez wrote:We're picking on this player or that player night to night. Yes, there could be adjustments on minutes, lineups, positions. But it feels to me like there's a general malaise hanging over this team that goes beyond just player production. Draymond coming back probably doesn't solve it because he's part of the problem and the aura of confusion was there before he got suspended anyway.

The easiest way to fix that is with a head coaching change. I can't see the Warriors doing it mid-season but if they really want to move forward with Kerr, if he's really the guy they believe will deliver more championships, why doesn't he have a new contract yet? If you're going to move on from him why not rip off the bandaid as soon as possible and give a new coach as much time as you can to settle in? At this point they've dug a pretty large hole and it's looking a lot like last season where even if they manage to dig their way out, they'll expend so much energy doing it and put so many minutes on the aging vets (35 minutes on Curry in another loss tonight), they'll have nothing left for a playoff run.

Think Kerr is definitely on his way out. But he’s trying to get fired it seems like. He really has no answers. We don’t have the balls to fire him. Would be bad pub to fire the head coach who was in charge of the dynasty. But he’s been horrible the last few years.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#246 » by jozef » Sun Dec 31, 2023 6:33 am

CDM_Stats wrote:Kuminga is in no way/shape/form a PF. A lot of us - myself included - really thought he would be that, but he simply can't be it. You have to keep him on-ball and thats hard to do as a PF

He was 5 of 7 on 2P: twice he took advantage off Steph and Klay gravity, twice scored inside on his own, once on fastbreak. In Draymond absence he is the only true PF. As SF he is a mistake-to-happen but at PF he is fine and when Dray will be back then JK will be above average backup PF.
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Post#247 » by DonaldSanders » Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:55 am

Steve sucks this year. Garbage. We aren't a contender, but Steve is embarrassing us. Love Steve, THANK YOU Steve, but if you refuse to play based on merit we need to move on.
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Post#248 » by HiRez » Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:11 am

I'd kill to know what Lacob and Dunleavy think about all this.
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Post#249 » by SpreeChokeJob » Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:50 pm

DonaldSanders wrote:Steve sucks this year. Garbage. We aren't a contender, but Steve is embarrassing us. Love Steve, THANK YOU Steve, but if you refuse to play based on merit we need to move on.

Why would they play based on merit when they don’t hire based on merit. Almost everyone in the organization is a child of someone or former client or associate.

I looked at Spo who thoroughly outcoached Kerr, a Filipino American in a sport industry dominated by Black and White people. You know he has to be the hardest smartest working guy in the biz to hold his spot, even dealing with Le-Ego political shenanigans. Props for Pat Riley for running a tight ship and a meritocracy. Players either get with the program or they find a loser team to join that aligns with their code.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#250 » by sonnyhill » Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:51 pm

Was anyone else alarmed by how Kerr in the recent Heat game, similar to how he had also "shi# the bed" when Nick Nurse deployed the same defense in the Finals vs the Raptors, had frozen instead of adjusting when having to face a zone defense?

In last night's game vs the Heat, how is it that Dallas was able to run simple plays where a double-teamed Doncic was able to dribble off of a pick so that he could be isolated on a slower big man, while the Warriors offense never gave Curry the same liberty to do something similar?

Also, why aren't Thompson's minutes being reduced and Moody given more opporunities?

In my previous post on this thread, I had posted the link to Cyrus Saatsaz's "Locked on Warriors" post Heat game podcast (https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vbG9ja2Vkb253YXJyaW9ycw/episode/N2Y0MDBjMGUtYTYyYi0xMWVlLTk4N2YtNmIxNTM2Yjg4Y2Q0?sa=X&ved=0CAUQkfYCahcKEwjo7q_Ej7qDAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQLA) where Saatsaz's critique of Kerr seems to ring even more true after last night's game vs the Mavericks.
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Post#251 » by GSWFan1994 » Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:56 pm

I watch the Kerr interview clips and he looks miserable. A mixture of being pissed off, and walking on eggshells, carefully measuring his words. I think he will not re-sign nor be fired, he will resign at the end of the season instead.

Kerr should, by now, understand that going small ball all the time will not work. It was that way during the World Cup too, he's getting outcoached constantly. The league has adapted, evolved and changed, now it's our turn to show something.

The team lacks cohesion. The rotations he tries doesn't work, the substitution patterns are crazy and most won't work at all, it seems like he has no clue of what's happening and he's trying anything he can in hope something works.

This roster should be of a team well above .500, perhaps a contender with the right settings (substitutions, rotations, etc), under a better, more flexible coach. Moreover, it's hard to compete like this when you only have 3 or so players who are taller than 6'8''. We are getting hammered under the basket every single night, the adversary always has a catwalk to scoring inside, regardless of their roster. Feels like watching a fashion show, instead with basketball players going in and out of our defense.

This season is shaping up to be a disaster. You have the combination of an inflexible coach, plus an aging roster, with certain guys (you know who) refusing to adapt and accept their new roles based on their current, actual production, plus the fact we probably won't have our 1st round pick... man, who would have thought it would go on like this when the season started. Sigh.
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Post#252 » by sonnyhill » Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:17 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:I watch the Kerr interview clips and he looks miserable. A mixture of being pissed off, and walking on eggshells, carefully measuring his words. I think he will not re-sign nor be fired, he will resign at the end of the season instead.

Kerr should, by now, understand that going small ball all the time will not work. It was that way during the World Cup too, he's getting outcoached constantly. The league has adapted, evolved and changed, now it's our turn to show something.

The team lacks cohesion. The rotations he tries doesn't work, the substitution patterns are crazy and most won't work at all, it seems like he has no clue of what's happening and he's trying anything he can in hope something works.

This roster should be of a team well above .500, perhaps a contender with the right settings (substitutions, rotations, etc), under a better, more flexible coach. Moreover, it's hard to compete like this when you only have 3 or so players who are taller than 6'8''. We are getting hammered under the basket every single night, the adversary always has a catwalk to scoring inside, regardless of their roster. Feels like watching a fashion show, instead with basketball players going in and out of our defense.

This season is shaping up to be a disaster. You have the combination of an inflexible coach, plus an aging roster, with certain guys (you know who) refusing to adapt and accept their new roles based on their current, actual production, plus the fact we probably won't have our 1st round pick... man, who would have thought it would go on like this when the season started. Sigh.


Great post, GSWFan1994!

Also, instead of developing both Kuminga and Moody last season, Kerr had decided to play Lamb and Jerome.
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Post#253 » by whatisacenter » Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:48 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:I watch the Kerr interview clips and he looks miserable. A mixture of being pissed off, and walking on eggshells, carefully measuring his words. I think he will not re-sign nor be fired, he will resign at the end of the season instead.

Kerr should, by now, understand that going small ball all the time will not work. It was that way during the World Cup too, he's getting outcoached constantly. The league has adapted, evolved and changed, now it's our turn to show something.

The team lacks cohesion. The rotations he tries doesn't work, the substitution patterns are crazy and most won't work at all, it seems like he has no clue of what's happening and he's trying anything he can in hope something works.

This roster should be of a team well above .500, perhaps a contender with the right settings (substitutions, rotations, etc), under a better, more flexible coach.
Moreover, it's hard to compete like this when you only have 3 or so players who are taller than 6'8''. We are getting hammered under the basket every single night, the adversary always has a catwalk to scoring inside, regardless of their roster. Feels like watching a fashion show, instead with basketball players going in and out of our defense.

This season is shaping up to be a disaster. You have the combination of an inflexible coach, plus an aging roster, with certain guys (you know who) refusing to adapt and accept their new roles based on their current, actual production, plus the fact we probably won't have our 1st round pick... man, who would have thought it would go on like this when the season started. Sigh.


Agree with a lot of your post except the bolded part.

The roster is a bigger problem than the coach IMO. It's too old, too slow, too short, no two-way players, and besides Curry, no one who is dominant on either side of the ball. This roster screams .500 to me.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#254 » by HiRez » Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:55 pm

whatisacenter wrote:The roster is a bigger problem than the coach IMO. It's too old, too slow, too short, no two-way players, and besides Curry, no one who is dominant on either side of the ball. This roster screams .500 to me.

You mostly nailed the roster issues but I actually think .500 is generous. And while roster construction is a problem, it's a lot easier to switch out the coach than a big chunk of the roster. It can be done in a day without any concerns about matching salaries, draft picks, positional balance, salary caps, or luxury taxes.

Also I would argue there's a few 2-way players. Problem is one, TJD, is likely to be buried on the bench once Draymond comes back, and potentially another, Moody, is already buried on the bench for unknown reasons. Basically all the younger players have more 2-wayness than all the vets but Kerr won't use them or develop them.
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Post#255 » by DevinVassell » Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:53 pm

If Kerr actually starts and gives proper playing time to the... two-way players/defenders/non-midgets on this team, we are way better than this laughable record.

Hoping when Captain Turettes gets back we see...

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Post#256 » by ILOVEIT » Mon Jan 1, 2024 12:24 am

Warriors defense has never been the same since Brown left. A better move might be to fire the defensive coach instead.
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Post#257 » by ShootersShoot » Mon Jan 1, 2024 12:33 am

cpower wrote:
ShootersShoot wrote:Since draymonds most recent suspension, kerr has benched wiggins and playing the young guys more

Loon tjd
Jk saric
Klay wiggins
Podz moody cp3
Steph cp3

Add a humbled draymond to this team (lol) and it really looks like one of the deeper teams in the league

Kerr hasnt been hesitant to play the young guys as of late..its pushing the vets and at the same time the young guys are catching a groove. I have not felt this way in a while but it really feels we can make a run with this current group but the young guys are going to have to play a big role

starting lineup is a big issue we have to make it work because they are not beating even the bad teams and need bench to save their @ss every time


Dang yea I was wrong we most certainly did not make a run
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Post#258 » by Impuniti » Mon Jan 1, 2024 12:48 am

GSWFan1994 wrote:I watch the Kerr interview clips and he looks miserable. A mixture of being pissed off, and walking on eggshells, carefully measuring his words. I think he will not re-sign nor be fired, he will resign at the end of the season instead.

Kerr should, by now, understand that going small ball all the time will not work. It was that way during the World Cup too, he's getting outcoached constantly. The league has adapted, evolved and changed, now it's our turn to show something.

The team lacks cohesion. The rotations he tries doesn't work, the substitution patterns are crazy and most won't work at all, it seems like he has no clue of what's happening and he's trying anything he can in hope something works.

This roster should be of a team well above .500, perhaps a contender with the right settings (substitutions, rotations, etc), under a better, more flexible coach. Moreover, it's hard to compete like this when you only have 3 or so players who are taller than 6'8''. We are getting hammered under the basket every single night, the adversary always has a catwalk to scoring inside, regardless of their roster. Feels like watching a fashion show, instead with basketball players going in and out of our defense.

This season is shaping up to be a disaster. You have the combination of an inflexible coach, plus an aging roster, with certain guys (you know who) refusing to adapt and accept their new roles based on their current, actual production, plus the fact we probably won't have our 1st round pick... man, who would have thought it would go on like this when the season started. Sigh.

A good amount of people?

Kerr's atrocious coaching was prevalent last season with his infuriating 3 to 4 guard lineup (this is NOT small ball). It just continued even more this season. Even in the 22 season that they won, it raised massive red flags when Klay missed TWO AND A HALF YEARS of basketball and immediately jumped into the starting lineup of one of the best teams in the RS. :crazy: Nobody should be expecting two 33 and one 35 year old to get better during this season, my only hope was Steph would not fall off. But he has this season, ugly iso ball, zero efford on D, awful box outs, no rebounding and hasn't cared to create for others or control the tempo of the game. Eye test and his awful +/- only add to the same conclusions.

CP3 for JP wasn't a bad trade, but he needs to be on limited minutes as a small guy who is no longer an elite defender. But.. it was incredibly obvious that Kerr would play him a ton, including with 2 or 3 other guards.
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Post#259 » by Impuniti » Mon Jan 1, 2024 12:49 am

DevinVassell wrote:If Kerr actually starts and gives proper playing time to the... two-way players/defenders/non-midgets on this team, we are way better than this laughable record.

Hoping when Captain Turettes gets back we see...

TJD-Green-Wiggins-Moody-Curry

Looney-Saric-Kuminga-Podz-Paul

Klay-emergencies and pom-poms.

Would love to see that starting lineup for 3 straight games in the RS. But I know it will never happen. Kerr's disgusting favoritism has really made me resent and dislike him as a coach.

ILOVEIT wrote:Warriors defense has never been the same since Brown left. A better move might be to fire the defensive coach instead.
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Can they fire the idiot whose in charge of rotation/lineups as well? Maybe it can work as a package deal. :lol:
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Post#260 » by watch1958 » Mon Jan 1, 2024 2:45 am

I wonder what Kerr is thinking. The stuff he said postgame…, he must realize that Klay is the number one person it applies to.

Are they just running it out until Draymond is back? Will they ever hold Klay accountable?

Or do we have to dump everything else, until there’s no one else to blame?
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