Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas

[MiltownHawkeye]

If we're going to trade Bobby for wing defense and open up a huge hole in out front court that we'll need to give up assets to fill, I think I'd rather give up said assets for wing defense.

[bucksfansince88]

Bored.

Pat, Rolo to LAC
Marjon, Jaylin Williams to WAS
Bobby, Cam Payne to OKC
Poku, some OKC 1st to POR
Thybulle, Wright, PJ, 2 2nds from LAC to MIL

Dame / Wright
Thybulle / Beasley / Green
Khris / AJJ
Giannis / Crowder
Brook / PJ

Add some defensive versatility. Couple roster spots to try and fill some holes. 3 2nds in next years draft.

Bored.

Feels like we gain defensive versatility but lose a lot of shooting/scoring from the bench.

[Baddy Chuck]

Feels like we gain defensive versatility but lose a lot of shooting/scoring from the bench.

Before we got Dame Lillard for Jrue Holiday I was a lot more concerned about our offense, currently not so much.

[randy84]

Interesting stats.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jaylen-brown-vs-jrue
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jaylen-brown-vs-caruso
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jaylen-brown-vs-malik-beasley

[German Athens]

Mke: Wiggins
Gsw: Bobby, thybulle
Por: Pat, marjon

[RiotPunch]

Another Dunn variation:

MKE: Dunn
NYK: Clarkson, Lopez
UTA: Fournier, Flynn, Livingston, PDX '24 2nd, MKE '25 1st (Top-4 protected)

[LuessiT]

Mke: Wiggins
Gsw: Bobby, thybulle
Por: Pat, marjon

If Portland does the Thybulle part, I would just cut GSW out. But I doubt it.

[RiotPunch]

Mke: Wiggins
Gsw: Bobby, thybulle
Por: Pat, marjon

If Portland does the Thybulle part, I would just cut GSW out. But I doubt it.

Yeah, Portland fans shot that down even with their 2nd included.

[Baddy Chuck]

Mke: Wiggins
Gsw: Bobby, thybulle
Por: Pat, marjon

If Portland does the Thybulle part, I would just cut GSW out. But I doubt it.

Yeah, Portland fans shot that down even with their 2nd included.

Are those the ones that said we had no possible way of trading for Damian Lillard or different ones.

[LuessiT]

If Portland does the Thybulle part, I would just cut GSW out. But I doubt it.

Yeah, Portland fans shot that down even with their 2nd included.

Are those the ones that said we had no possible way of trading for Damian Lillard or different ones.

I get your point but there's nothing remotely attractive in that package for Portland. There's no high level asset, no young stud. Portland would be much more interested in trading Thybulle for a major asset and a bad contract rather than one or two mediocre ones and a okay contract. Thybulle is also not expiring so there's no pressure to cash in now. I just don't see us as good trade partners, but I've been wrong in the past so who knows.

[RiotPunch]

If Portland does the Thybulle part, I would just cut GSW out. But I doubt it.

Yeah, Portland fans shot that down even with their 2nd included.

Are those the ones that said we had no possible way of trading for Damian Lillard or different ones.

Who was saying that besides the national media? Even the infamous JRoy had the Bucks as the favorite to land Dame in the early stages.

Fan opinion is not in any way definitive, but it kind of captures the general feel of a team. And they love Thybulle-- he's been great and is young enough to stay on for the rebuild, in their opinion, from what I gather.

[LuessiT]

If Portland does the Thybulle part, I would just cut GSW out. But I doubt it.

Yeah, Portland fans shot that down even with their 2nd included.

Are those the ones that said we had no possible way of trading for Damian Lillard or different ones.

I get your point but there's nothing remotely attractive in that package for Portland. There's no high level asset, no young stud. Portland would be much more interested in trading Thybulle for a major asset and a bad contract rather than one or two mediocre ones and a okay contract. Thybulle is also not expiring so there's no pressure to cash in now. I just don't see us as good trade partners, but I've been wrong in the past so who knows.

[JayMKE]

So how is a wing defender going go make Lillard/Beasley/Payne play defense?

I think there is a good chance these trades just kill the offense & the dumb defensive scheme still won’t work. Should have kept Jevon & probably also signed Pat Beverley, if we had Jrue does the D work? Doesn’t seem like Griffin was prepared at all to coach Dame, too bad we didn’t have any coaches who were.

IMO this team isn’t going to win anything with Griffin, people bitched about Bud’s system but now we have a legit liability at coach worse than a Doc Rivers or Mark Jackson. This is a guy we’d all be salivating to go against and would be talking mad **** about if he was on another team, I can’t delude myself into not thinking its going to be a problem. Playoffs are were guys like Spoelstra and Nurse win, not guys like Griffin or Jason Kidd, we already know this and saw much more capable Bud have trouble with. They’ll be going in circles around us.

Best case scenario imo is we wash out the playoffs quick and Griffin gets the axe quick, not sure who the Bucks could hire since there was an abundance of championship coaches available last year and they still picked the scammer with an internet doctorate.

I like Beasley since he seems to be our best shooter, he is mostly taking wide open shots playing off Dame and Giannis that our guys inexplicably **** the bed on more times than not but he might he a good guy to move since we can’t retain him next season anyways & his value might be higher than his salary slot. Probably a good idea to squeeze whatever value you can get out of 1 year minimum deals. Mostly I don’t think his defense works with Dame.

ngl Dame isn’t exactly knocking my socks off, main reason to do the trade was to get Giannis signed long term.

Horst gotta know this isnt working, cant just look at the record

[German Athens]

Mke: Wiggins
Gsw: Bobby, thybulle
Por: Pat, marjon

If Portland does the Thybulle part, I would just cut GSW out. But I doubt it.

I like thybulle, and he’s a better defender than Wiggins, but there comes a point where thybulle can be hard to play in the playoffs due to his ineptitude on offense. Defense plays, and he would, but it could be hard for him to get to higher minutes.

Maybe he could function in the PJ role, and we’d be fine, and I tend to think we would net out okay, but that’s the concern.

I think the allure of Wiggins is that he could provide value on both ends. He’s a guy who averaged 35 mpg in the playoffs on a championship team, was perhaps the second best player during that run, and did a damn good job defending the likes of Tatum and brown.

This would be a buy low opportunity for us, but we’d need to inquire about what’s going on this year. Maybe it’s related to the family issue he had last season.

I also think Wiggins could benefit from the stability, clear hierarchy, and drama-free nature of the bucks. There’s risk for us, but I’m willing to take the swing.

[German Athens]

Last time thybulle was traded, 1 year ago, he was traded for a 25 year old prospect and two low-value seconds (this year’s Knicks pick which is likely in the back half of the second, and the blazers ‘29 second which likely holds very little value being so far out).

That prospect was on an expiring salary, and the 6ers let him walk at the end of the year. His new contract ended up being 2 years, 9.3m with the raptors, even though the sizers had bird rights.

I don’t think some stud young player would be needed at all for thybulle, but I do get the idea that Portland doesn’t have urgency to trade him.

IMO, a middling 23 year old prospect, but with multiple more seasons under contract, a declining vet who’s been a key rotational player on a contender for a number of seasons, and a high second seems like an overpay.

[Mtsportsfan]

Last time thybulle was traded, 1 year ago, he was traded for a 25 year old prospect and two low-value seconds (this year’s Knicks pick which is likely in the back half of the second, and the blazers ‘29 second which likely holds very little value being so far out).

That prospect was on an expiring salary, and the 6ers let him walk at the end of the year. His new contract ended up being 2 years, 9.3m with the raptors, even though the sizers had bird rights.

I don’t think some stud young player would be needed at all for thybulle, but I do get the idea that Portland doesn’t have urgency to trade him.

IMO, a middling 23 year old prospect, but with multiple more seasons under contract, a declining vet who’s been a key rotational player on a contender for a number of seasons, and a high second seems like an overpay.

It seems with a lot of these trade scenarios there is a lot of over pay on our part , but I guess it comes down to salary match which I'm not good at!

[BigO]

So how is a wing defender going go make Lillard/Beasley/Payne play defense?

I think there is a good chance these trades just kill the offense & the dumb defensive scheme still won’t work. Should have kept Jevon & probably also signed Pat Beverley, if we had Jrue does the D work? Doesn’t seem like Griffin was prepared at all to coach Dame, too bad we didn’t have any coaches who were.

IMO this team isn’t going to win anything with Griffin, people bitched about Bud’s system but now we have a legit liability at coach worse than a Doc Rivers or Mark Jackson. This is a guy we’d all be salivating to go against and would be talking mad **** about if he was on another team, I can’t delude myself into not thinking its going to be a problem. Playoffs are were guys like Spoelstra and Nurse win, not guys like Griffin or Jason Kidd, we already know this and saw much more capable Bud have trouble with. They’ll be going in circles around us.

Best case scenario imo is we wash out the playoffs quick and Griffin gets the axe quick, not sure who the Bucks could hire since there was an abundance of championship coaches available last year and they still picked the scammer with an internet doctorate.

I like Beasley since he seems to be our best shooter, he is mostly taking wide open shots playing off Dame and Giannis that our guys inexplicably **** the bed on more times than not but he might he a good guy to move since we can’t retain him next season anyways & his value might be higher than his salary slot. Probably a good idea to squeeze whatever value you can get out of 1 year minimum deals. Mostly I don’t think his defense works with Dame.

ngl Dame isn’t exactly knocking my socks off, main reason to do the trade was to get Giannis signed long term.

Horst gotta know this isnt working, cant just look at the record

I agree with a large part of what you're saying, but I'm not ready to write Griffin off (not that my opinion matters). Why my skeptical optimism?

I like that with Griffin the players feel a freedom to speak up and according to the players, there is a lot more open discussion on what works and what doesn't. That never happened with Bud.

I also see Griffin relying a lot on his assistants, with a lot of discussion with them during games. This never happened with Bud.

So I think there is a decent chance that Griffin will figure it out, with a lot of help from the players, assistants and Horst, who loves advanced stats and I'm sure will be in Griffin's ear.

[sidney lanier]

I wouldn't give up an ounce of offense for a pound of defense. The graph of scoring trends in the NBA looks like a stock price chart in a cartoon, and it's a trend not to be bucked.

We can wish the game were played (and called) differently, but building a team for the way things used to be, or spending on a defensive wing who would take court time away from someone who can score, would be like what generals do -- fighting the last war.

I guess it will always rankle some that "all we do is outscore the other team." As Vince Lombardi used to say, that's not everything. It's the only thing.

[crowhead76]

Last time thybulle was traded, 1 year ago, he was traded for a 25 year old prospect and two low-value seconds (this year’s Knicks pick which is likely in the back half of the second, and the blazers ‘29 second which likely holds very little value being so far out).

That prospect was on an expiring salary, and the 6ers let him walk at the end of the year. His new contract ended up being 2 years, 9.3m with the raptors, even though the sizers had bird rights.

I don’t think some stud young player would be needed at all for thybulle, but I do get the idea that Portland doesn’t have urgency to trade him.

IMO, a middling 23 year old prospect, but with multiple more seasons under contract, a declining vet who’s been a key rotational player on a contender for a number of seasons, and a high second seems like an overpay.

The conspiracy theorist in me believes this trade has already been agreed upon when the Dame trade took place. Dame and Thybulle have the same agent (essentially his only clients), Dame and Thybulle have had a relationship of working out together for years. Thybulle has veto power this year over trades so he can determine where he goes this year. Pat could possibly be moved to Houston where his playoff success and the ability to be a glue guy for the bench is something that they could use (they would send back the Blazers a pick and Oladipo's expiring) Many posters commented on the lack of having to move Marjon in the Dame trade, especially with his ties to the area, but what if a minimum salary of a younger prospect was going to be needed later. Portland could wait to trade Thybulle next year but may get more value out of a trade this year as he has a PO for 25-26. He also has a 15% trade kicker in his contract which he could possibly waive for the designation he would like to go to.

Portland also continues to start Camara over Thybulle even though Matisse is better on paper then him in every single category outside of rebounding (Camara averages a little over 1 more a game). Fun fact, Thybulle has the highest EFG% on the Blazers currently. He shoots 3s and attacks the rim with great cutting instincts (he has the best shooting percentage on the Blazers within 10 feet of the rim) he shoots corner 3's at a high percentage, and he is an elite defender. He is the perfect missing piece for the Bucks and would quickly be inserted into the closing lineup.

In watching film of Dame and Thybulle playing together it seems as if they have a connection on the court as well. This is all major wishful thinking on my part, and I do not really believe a trade is already worked out. I am very much in the trade for Matisse camp and I would also argue that it would make the Bucks better both offensively and defensively.

[SupremeHustle]

Last time thybulle was traded, 1 year ago, he was traded for a 25 year old prospect and two low-value seconds (this year’s Knicks pick which is likely in the back half of the second, and the blazers ‘29 second which likely holds very little value being so far out).

That prospect was on an expiring salary, and the 6ers let him walk at the end of the year. His new contract ended up being 2 years, 9.3m with the raptors, even though the sizers had bird rights.

I don’t think some stud young player would be needed at all for thybulle, but I do get the idea that Portland doesn’t have urgency to trade him.

IMO, a middling 23 year old prospect, but with multiple more seasons under contract, a declining vet who’s been a key rotational player on a contender for a number of seasons, and a high second seems like an overpay.

This guy gets it.