New Biggest Need - 2 Guard

[Jonathan2347]

Now we have decluttered our roster a bit and filled a need. We can say we are set at the Point Guard, Small Forward & Power Forward position. Not saying Randle is our future but he is a legit starter in this league and all-star caliber. Our biggest question is, who is our shooting guard for the foreseeable future?

I would no longer consider Mitch since I personally feel Brunson is giving us what he would potentially give us. Both are too short to be the 2 guard and either of there defense is elite.

We have Donte, whom I believe is the ideal backup 1/2 for us with IQ now Gone. We can expect McBride to get more appearance. We still have Fournier & Grimes sitting on the bench. I think we have two options;

Start Grimes and give him the green light for 30 + minutes to see if he can be that guy. We seen glimpse of good shooting and elite defense but can he do that for 30 + minutes and gives us 15 + point consistently. We would need to do this for the next 10 games prior to the deadline to see If he can do that and if he can then we do not need to package all of our assets for a starting two guard but instead focus on upgrading the PF, C & bench

2nd option, we completely dump that idea and sell him along with some draft capital for Lavine or Murry. I like Lavine from a scorer POV since he is a 3 level scorer, drives, mid range, 3 ball, athletic...etc. I would say Murry is the better fit because he is a two way player. People are concern with his 3 point shooting but he is shooting 38% on 6 attempts. He can play the one to relive Brunson as well. Once again, he is a great defender. He adds length and speed to our line up. I think it comes down to the price to get either player.


Player Comparison
Zach Lavine - 21 ppg 5 rpg 3.5 apg 44% FG on 16.6 attempts & 34% 3PT on 7 attempts
DeJounte Murry - 20 ppg 5 rpg 4 apg 45% FG on 17 attemps & 37% 3 PT on 6 attempts

Per 36 Min Last Season
Quetin Grimes - 13.6 ppg 3.6 rpg 2.4 apg 45% FG on 10 attempts & 38% 3PT on 7 attempts

If Grimes can get back to those shooting splits and we up his attempts from 10 to 15 and he can at worst gives us another 2-3 points would he suffice as the starting two guard ? If he can put up 16 ppg , 5 rpg, 2 apg on 45% & 38 % shooting.

Possible Packages?
Fournier, Grimes + 2 FRP for Murry

Not sure what I would give up for Lavine. Fournier + Grimes for Lavine straight up ?

[HopelessKnick]

I personally hope the team rather goes for another 2-way 6'7+ wing player, possibly even putting OG at the 2 full time. I think ideally we would go with:

Brunson
6'7 2-way wing
OG
Randle
Mitch

That way you put the wings on complete lockdown and have Mitch in the middle. It would mean maximum coverage for Brunson. I also think from a pure size/bully perspective the Knicks would be daunting for many teams. I personally wouldn't go for someone like Lavine who is 6'5'' and plays no defense. Go two big wing players. I would only deviate from that framework for an elite offensive player like Mitchell possibly. Too bad Mikal is on the Nets---I think even if you offered 5-6 picks and got Mikal back, the Knicks could win a title, and would have that window for 5-6 years. Mikal would be the most perfect fit imaginable--but unavailable.

On Grimes: I don't think they will make any switch to the starting line-up. DD is playing pretty well. Grimes will have plenty of opportunities with the second unit, in terms of playing time and shots.

[2010]

OG is definitely not a SG. Putting him at the 2 would be setting him up to fail. Let’s not get so cute we outsmart ourselves.

[Ursusamericanus]

I'm predicting Dejounte Murray.

[MrDollarBills]

OG is definitely not a SG. Putting him at the 2 would be setting him up to fail. Let’s not get so cute we outsmart ourselves.

Right. If anything, you start him and Grimes together on the wings.

[KnixtapeH20]

U just called Dovovan Mitchell, ...Mitch? tf

[Riot Randolph]

Idk I think you get yourself a consistent scorer for the 2nd unit and we are set…Rozier in the second unit would make me drool with DDV, and Hart or Grimes on the wings

[HopelessKnick]

OG is definitely not a SG. Putting him at the 2 would be setting him up to fail. Let’s not get so cute we outsmart ourselves.

Is there though a real difference between the positions? In europe for example you don't make any distinctions between the positions, not even on paper: it is one PG, two wing players, a PF and a C. Do those positions really operate differently? That was my original point---go two big strong wing players.

[2010]

OG is definitely not a SG. Putting him at the 2 would be setting him up to fail. Let’s not get so cute we outsmart ourselves.

Is there though a real difference between the positions? In europe for example you don't make any distinctions between the positions, not even on paper: it is one PG, two wing players, a PF and a C. Do those positions really operate differently? That was my original point---go two big strong wing players.

On defense for OG there wouldn’t be too much difference between SF and SG. But on offense there is a huge skill difference for OG.

He doesn’t have the ball handling, facilitation, or shot creation skills to man the SG position for us on offense.

[HopelessKnick]

Idk I think you get yourself a consistent scorer for the 2nd unit and we are set…Rozier in the second unit would make me drool with DDV, and Hart or Grimes on the wings

Rozier is definitely an option but there is a downside to it---moving Fournier in that deal may diminish out chances at another big swing in the summer. We need that contract.

Also getting Rozier would create that Logjam back. Right now the roster is balanced---let's see what Hart, DD, Grimes can do with consistant minutes and shot opportunities. But I do think Rozier is generally a desirable player and I generally wouldn't be against getting him....

[2010]

The new SG acquisition needs to have length. No more undersized guards or we’re right back in the situation we just got ourselves out of.

Which is why I prefer Mikal over DeJounte and Donovan.

[PeteW]

Need Spider or Booker. Murray is meh, we are already too MID. Need a game changer.

[Jalen Bluntson]

We need Grimes to step up and show something. Not sure how serious the Murray smoke is though. They may be ready to move on and bring in a lower tier star SG and move Randle in any potential big star trade. The 4/5 would be the missing link at that point.

Brunson/Murray
Murray/DDV
OG/Hart
Randle/Precious
iHart/Taj (Mitch)

Probably a better team than what we have now. Perhaps they have something in the works already. The OG trade took weeks. Mitch would then be the only drafted player left and, still the longest tenured Knick if it costs Deuce/Grimes/Evan for Murray. Which would be so Knicks. Send out EVERY player and pick to build the team.

[thebuzzardman]

The new SG acquisition needs to have length. No more undersized guards or we’re right back in the situation we just got ourselves out of.

Which is why I prefer Mikal over DeJounte and Donovan.

I know it's the Nets and Knicks but imagine that Mikal was the Knicks "other" move...

[HopelessKnick]

The new SG acquisition needs to have length. No more undersized guards or we’re right back in the situation we just got ourselves out of.

Which is why I prefer Mikal over DeJounte and Donovan.

I know it's the Nets and Knicks but imagine that Mikal was the Knicks "other" move...

Mikal would be the most perfect fit imaginable. I truly believe a line-up like:

Brunson
Mikal
OG
Randle
Mitch

with McBride, DD, Hart, Ihart off the bench could potentially go all the way. We would have an elite offensive weapon at the 1, two elite defenders and effective offensive players at the wings and a good frontcourt combo. That team would be big and difficult to score on while having more than enough offense to outscore other teams. It will likely remain a dream though. The Nets are building around Bridges. The only way I can see something happening is that if Mikal flat out tells the Nets he is not going to resign etc.---he doesn't strike me as that type of guy though.

And I wouldn't hesitate offering 5-6 FRPs for Bridges if the Nets considered moving him at all. Including unprotected ones. Just imagine Mikal and OG defending on the wings....it would be insane.

[KnixtapeH20]

The new SG acquisition needs to have length. No more undersized guards or we’re right back in the situation we just got ourselves out of.

Which is why I prefer Mikal over DeJounte and Donovan.

I know it's the Nets and Knicks but imagine that Mikal was the Knicks "other" move...

Mikal would be the most perfect fit imaginable. I truly believe a line-up like:

Brunson
Mikal
OG
Randle
Mitch

with McBride, DD, Hart, Ihart off the bench could potentially go all the way. We would have an elite offensive weapon at the 1, two elite defenders and effective offensive players at the wings and a good frontcourt combo. That team would be big and difficult to score on while having more than enough offense to outscore other teams. It will likely remain a dream though. The Nets are building around Bridges. The only way I can see something happening is that if Mikal flat out tells the Nets he is not going to resign etc.---he doesn't strike me as that type of guy though.

And I wouldn't hesitate offering 5-6 FRPs for Bridges if the Nets considered moving him at all. Including unprotected ones. Just imagine Mikal and OG defending on the wings....it would be insane.

Lol... how could u possibly say we could go all the way when Randle has proven so far to be one of the worst playoff performers in NBA history and terrible in big games when u need him to step up not even just the playoffs?

[god shammgod]

i hate the kid from knicks film school but he made a good point. the knicks are gonna need more outgoing salary this summer or next year for the eventual star trade. the jump in murray's salary from this year to next year helps that cause.

[egelband]

Is divinsanity not the answer?

[Synciere]

OG is definitely not a SG. Putting him at the 2 would be setting him up to fail. Let’s not get so cute we outsmart ourselves.

Is there though a real difference between the positions? In europe for example you don't make any distinctions between the positions, not even on paper: it is one PG, two wing players, a PF and a C. Do those positions really operate differently? That was my original point---go two big strong wing players.

On defense for OG there wouldn’t be too much difference between SF and SG. But on offense there is a huge skill difference for OG.

He doesn’t have the ball handling, facilitation, or shot creation skills to man the SG position for us on offense.

And Grimes did?

[Synciere]

i hate the kid from knicks film school but he made a good point. the knicks are gonna need more outgoing salary this summer or next year for the eventual star trade. the jump in murray's salary from this year to next year helps that cause.

Pick up Fournier’s option. Problem solved.