Fantasy Trade Thread

[PhillyFan11]

A guy I would be very interested in if available would be Saddiq Bey. Last year of his contract and unless the Hawks find a trade partner for Hunter and or Murray it won’t make much sense for them to resign Bey in the off season. They have Jalen Johnson, Hunter, AJ Griffin and Kobe Bufkin to play next to Trae and Murray.

Hawks gave up 5 2nd’s for Bey…Springer, Martin and 3 2nd’s entice them enough to trade Bey?

[the_process]

#2 - Why would the team we are dealing with agree to the trade? Cap space? His veteran presence? His ability to score? His three point shooting?

Despite the fact that there are media fools (like Alaa) who have consistently overrated Tobias' presence on this team and his overall value and skill set, the plain truth is that no competent GM is trading for Tobias as anything more than an expiring contract and potentially to resurrect his true calling as that of a tank commander. And that limits the potential landing spots greatly.

It definitely does. We could dump Tobias and end up with has-beens on this team and end up as the 7th seed this year in the playoffs. Either way we're not getting out of the second round, but trading Harris NOW will only make this team worse. That's all I'm saying. Davis Bertans is not an upgrade over Tobias Harris. I don't care how deeply hated Tobias is on this forum. There's no rational argument out there that is going to suggest or convince anyone, that even slightly knows the game of basketball that we are better off in the short term just getting rid of him.

I will explode with rage if we deal him and a first round pick to the Bulls for Zach Lavine.

We will flounder into the play-in tournament if we move him for Davis Bertans and an expiring contract.

Trading him for a 35 year old Bogdonavich who is currently the 2nd best player on the 2-29 Pistons would only make sense if Jaden Ivey OR Ausur Thompson are attached to the deal, otherwise it's an incredibly HORRIBLE idea.

The Canadians are going to demand Tobias Harris and every first round pick we have until the second coming of Jesus if we want Pascal Siakam, who happens to be an even worse fit with crappier outside shooting.

We could trade him to the Spurs??? Doug McDermott and Keldon Johnson? I mean there are a few sensible ideas out there, but convincing those teams GMs is an entirely different and almost insurmountable task.

Not even the savants over on the General/Trade forums have any rational proposals. JRoy constantly shoots down each and every proposal with Portland as if he himself is the GM of the franchise. It's rather irritating if you ask me. I actually think Portland would be a decent partner to trade with, but doing so would leave us stuck with Grants contract along with an injury riddled and prone Malcolm Brogdan. Any cap space we have would completely disintegrate. Do we really want our hopes of a title tied to Brogdan and Grant? We may not have a choice, but GM JRoy is going to demand 65 First round draft picks.

Oh and yeah....Alaa's Bernard King comparison had me choking on my chicken soft taco when I heard it.

Golden State is good trade partner. They need to shake it up and have a couple of massive contracts they could stand to dump. Tobias helps them, and in return the Sixers hope to get Wiggins back to where he was the past two years. We know he's friendly with Jo, which helps.

And the Sixers don't need to replace Tobias externally, they have Batum and Covington already on the team who can handle those minutes at the 4.

[youngcrev]

Despite the fact that there are media fools (like Alaa) who have consistently overrated Tobias' presence on this team and his overall value and skill set, the plain truth is that no competent GM is trading for Tobias as anything more than an expiring contract and potentially to resurrect his true calling as that of a tank commander. And that limits the potential landing spots greatly.

My only rebuttal would be that there are incompetent GMs out there

Well, that and that I think there's a lot more undervaluing of his skillset from our fanbase because the scrutiny gets magnified when you sign that type of contract. He's a quality starting player, and a decent 3rd/4th offensive option. The Ringer NBA ranking put him #65 overall, which feels about right. Of course, when you're the 19th highest paid guy in the league this season, being a top 75 guy isn't that big of a badge of honor.

But yeah, for the most part, he'd be little more than expiring filler in a deal, in which case, we've got other expiring filler that could be used instead that bring less to the table for us.

So unless someone dumb like Detroit is placing value on him that can be flipped in a 3 way, I feel like odds are that he'll remain on the team. Although there does seem to be some smoke there.

Agreed that there are incompetent GM's around, but not as many as there used to be.

Tobias' contract was always just part of the issue with him for me. His game, the ball-stopping dribbling he needs on iso's, the lack of rebounding, the inability to finish, and his disappearing act in big spots were way more the problem, even at half the price. I respect his subjugating his tendencies to fit the scheme and his 'good soldier' attitude, but he is just not a player who can be a major minutes guy on a title contender IMO. Just my opinion.

His issues are what they are. Never fully commiting to being a high volume catch and shoot 3 point shooter has really held back his ability to be a highly effective 3rd/4th guy offensively. I just think those issues are magnified when he's making what he's making, and you can say they'd still exist at half the price, but I don't think people would be dwelling on them the same way.

As for him not being a major minutes guy on a contender... I mean... He has been exactly that. I get that we're a fatalistic fan base, but they have been contenders to varying degrees at times during his tenure. I don't think he's an ideal fit because of what's been mentioned, but big wings that can score/shoot, don't have a big ego about touches, and hold their own defensively are certainly useful on a contender. Which circles back to the contract, which has been an anchor in terms of building a team.

[SixthStreet]

If there's discussions going on about what Tobias' next contract will be with Morey, I'd be interested in if he's open to giving a small discount. If that's the case, I might not be so willing to dump him. Say, if you can get him for 3/50 when he'd get north of $20m per in free agency it might be worth it if we solve the roster around him for more offense such that his lack of quick trigger shooting is a problem.

Use up all the cap then bird rights on Tobias and Maxey might be a good option if we can't weaponize the cap space by the deadline. Given the players available at the deadline and prices, it wouldn't surprise me if we kept all our draft capital into the offseason.

[youngcrev]

If there's discussions going on about what Tobias' next contract will be with Morey, I'd be interested in if he's open to giving a small discount. If that's the case, I might not be so willing to dump him. Say, if you can get him for 3/50 when he'd get north of $20m per in free agency it might be worth it if we solve the roster around him for more offense such that his lack of quick trigger shooting is a problem.

Use up all the cap then bird rights on Tobias and Maxey might be a good option if we can't weaponize the cap space by the deadline. Given the players available at the deadline and prices, it wouldn't surprise me if we kept all our draft capital into the offseason.

I have a hard time seeing them going the cap space route and re-signing Tobias. Bird rights help with Maxey because his cap hold is so low. That's not the case with Tobias.

[Negrodamus]

Tobias and KJ Brown for Bruce Brown and Buddy Hield? I think the issue would be having Bruce for 2 years, but he is a proven championship winning piece.

I actually think Tobias would be good in Indiana. He likes to back down guys and get pretty easy baskets. With Turner as the C, he stretches the floor enough to allow Tobias to live in the paint.

Hield could be a more functional JJ Redick for us. Have him come off the bench and run the DHO with Joel when Maxey is out. Probably not the move everyone would be hoping for with Tobi's contract, but gives pieces that fit better.

[the_process]

ORL gets Duarte and Mitchell
PHI gets Barnes and Huerter
SAC gets Tobias Harris and Gary Harris


Barnes, Batum, Covington, and Oubre take the F minutes. Maxey and Huerter in the backcourt with Bev and Melton off the bench. Embiid and Reed man the middle. Huerter can do those dribble handoff actions like Maxey does and JJ before them. And another forward who will actually catch and shoot on volume as opposed to insist on dribbling the air out of the ball will do wonders, regardless of what everyone seems to think.

[the_process]

Tobias and KJ Brown for Bruce Brown and Buddy Hield? I think the issue would be having Bruce for 2 years, but he is a proven championship winning piece.

I actually think Tobias would be good in Indiana. He likes to back down guys and get pretty easy baskets. With Turner as the C, he stretches the floor enough to allow Tobias to live in the paint.

Hield could be a more functional JJ Redick for us. Have him come off the bench and run the DHO with Joel when Maxey is out. Probably not the move everyone would be hoping for with Tobi's contract, but gives pieces that fit better.

This would be great, but I don’t think Indy trades Bruce Brown.

I think it would be Hield and filler (likely McConnell and Nwora).

[Negrodamus]

The real team to deal with would be Atlanta. They likely want to have some cap flexibility next year. Bogdan and Hunter for Tobias + (unfortunately) Springer would be interesting for them. I don't think they really need Hunter's 4 year contract moving forward with Bey and Jalen. Bogdan is also a long term contract. Would definitely lock us into this team for a minute, so that's the downside.

An interesting option instead of committing to 4 years of Bogdan would be 2 years of Capela since he's a non-shooting big and they can plan for next year's offseason to acquire someone who is a more suitable fit. Capela gives us some Embiid protection and we don't have empty minutes when Embiid sits.

[PhillyFan11]

The real team to deal with would be Atlanta. They likely want to have some cap flexibility next year. Bogdan and Hunter for Tobias + (unfortunately) Springer would be interesting for them. I don't think they really need Hunter's 4 year contract moving forward with Bey and Jalen. Bogdan is also a long term contract. Would definitely lock us into this team for a minute, so that's the downside.

An interesting option instead of committing to 4 years of Bogdan would be 2 years of Capela since he's a non-shooting big and they can plan for next year's offseason to acquire someone who is a more suitable fit. Capela gives us some Embiid protection and we don't have empty minutes when Embiid sits.

In order to do Hunter + Bogdanovic for Tobi you’d have to be convinced that Hunter is a fairly significant upgrade to Tobi. I don’t believe he is. Taking away all cap flexibility to replace Tobi with a very similar player + have Bogdanovic at 6th man just isn’t worth it in my eyes. Not saying it doesn’t make us better, but it’s just not a significant enough upgrade for that kind of commitment at this time imo.

[mjkvol]

Tobias and KJ Brown for Bruce Brown and Buddy Hield? I think the issue would be having Bruce for 2 years, but he is a proven championship winning piece.

I actually think Tobias would be good in Indiana. He likes to back down guys and get pretty easy baskets. With Turner as the C, he stretches the floor enough to allow Tobias to live in the paint.

Hield could be a more functional JJ Redick for us. Have him come off the bench and run the DHO with Joel when Maxey is out. Probably not the move everyone would be hoping for with Tobi's contract, but gives pieces that fit better.

Can't imagine why IND would want to trade Brown, who is the exact type of winning player teams love to have. My guess is the Nuggets will miss him big time in the playoffs.

[Negrodamus]

The real team to deal with would be Atlanta. They likely want to have some cap flexibility next year. Bogdan and Hunter for Tobias + (unfortunately) Springer would be interesting for them. I don't think they really need Hunter's 4 year contract moving forward with Bey and Jalen. Bogdan is also a long term contract. Would definitely lock us into this team for a minute, so that's the downside.

An interesting option instead of committing to 4 years of Bogdan would be 2 years of Capela since he's a non-shooting big and they can plan for next year's offseason to acquire someone who is a more suitable fit. Capela gives us some Embiid protection and we don't have empty minutes when Embiid sits.

In order to do Hunter + Bogdanovic for Tobi you’d have to be convinced that Hunter is a fairly significant upgrade to Tobi. I don’t believe he is. Taking away all cap flexibility to replace Tobi with a very similar player + have Bogdanovic at 6th man just isn’t worth it in my eyes. Not saying it doesn’t make us better, but it’s just not a significant enough upgrade for that kind of commitment at this time imo.

It’s def fair to hate that trade. I think Tobi's value is as an expiring for teams who gave out big contracts to players who are underperforming. I don’t think any talent north of a DeRozan will actually be attainable using Tobi in the current landscape of the league.

[Negrodamus]

Tobias and KJ Brown for Bruce Brown and Buddy Hield? I think the issue would be having Bruce for 2 years, but he is a proven championship winning piece.

I actually think Tobias would be good in Indiana. He likes to back down guys and get pretty easy baskets. With Turner as the C, he stretches the floor enough to allow Tobias to live in the paint.

Hield could be a more functional JJ Redick for us. Have him come off the bench and run the DHO with Joel when Maxey is out. Probably not the move everyone would be hoping for with Tobi's contract, but gives pieces that fit better.

This would be great, but I don’t think Indy trades Bruce Brown.

I think it would be Hield and filler (likely McConnell and Nwora).

Due to being a complete freak, I like the Nwora addition because I warmed quite a bit on him as a prospect. I’d be alright with it (and we’d actually get a PG on the team).

[the_process]

The real team to deal with would be Atlanta. They likely want to have some cap flexibility next year. Bogdan and Hunter for Tobias + (unfortunately) Springer would be interesting for them. I don't think they really need Hunter's 4 year contract moving forward with Bey and Jalen. Bogdan is also a long term contract. Would definitely lock us into this team for a minute, so that's the downside.

An interesting option instead of committing to 4 years of Bogdan would be 2 years of Capela since he's a non-shooting big and they can plan for next year's offseason to acquire someone who is a more suitable fit. Capela gives us some Embiid protection and we don't have empty minutes when Embiid sits.

In order to do Hunter + Bogdanovic for Tobi you’d have to be convinced that Hunter is a fairly significant upgrade to Tobi. I don’t believe he is. Taking away all cap flexibility to replace Tobi with a very similar player + have Bogdanovic at 6th man just isn’t worth it in my eyes. Not saying it doesn’t make us better, but it’s just not a significant enough upgrade for that kind of commitment at this time imo.

It’s def fair to hate that trade. I think Tobi's value is as an expiring for teams who gave out big contracts to players who are underperforming. I don’t think any talent north of a DeRozan will actually be attainable using Tobi in the current landscape of the league.

They shouldn't be looking north of DeRozan. They should be looking for young players who are undervalued because they haven't gotten a shot yet, or struggling reclamation prospects who have been good before, or just a couple of solid athletic vets who can hit shots.

[PhillyFan11]

Tobi, Springer, Martin, ‘26 OKC 1st, ‘24 2nd to the Nets for Dinwiddie, Finney-Smith and Walker

Dinwiddie/Melton/Pat Bev
Maxey/Walker/Korkmaz
Oubre/Finney-Smith/House
Batum/Morris/RoCo
Embiid/Reed/Bamba

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Tobi, Springer, Martin, ‘26 OKC 1st, ‘24 2nd to the Nets for Dinwiddie, Finney-Smith and Walker

Dinwiddie/Melton/Pat Bev
Maxey/Walker/Korkmaz
Oubre/Finney-Smith/House
Batum/Morris/RoCo
Embiid/Reed/Bamba

No thanks

[Negrodamus]

In order to do Hunter + Bogdanovic for Tobi you’d have to be convinced that Hunter is a fairly significant upgrade to Tobi. I don’t believe he is. Taking away all cap flexibility to replace Tobi with a very similar player + have Bogdanovic at 6th man just isn’t worth it in my eyes. Not saying it doesn’t make us better, but it’s just not a significant enough upgrade for that kind of commitment at this time imo.

It’s def fair to hate that trade. I think Tobi's value is as an expiring for teams who gave out big contracts to players who are underperforming. I don’t think any talent north of a DeRozan will actually be attainable using Tobi in the current landscape of the league.

They shouldn't be looking north of DeRozan. They should be looking for young players who are undervalued because they haven't gotten a shot yet, or struggling reclamation prospects who have been good before, or just a couple of solid athletic vets who can hit shots.

I know Morey is the guy who made the initial Harden trade, but at this stage it seems like he wants a proven entity to pair with the stars.

[youngcrev]

Outgoing: The least useful expirings (Morris, Covington, Furk, House) or Tobias if necessary, 3 1st round picks

Incoming: CJ McCollum and Trey Murphy

Trey is the long-term #3 next to Embiid/Maxey. The shooting/length/athleticism/age/upside/ego are perfect, and he's blocked by Zion/Ingram/Jones in the starting lineup. CJ is probably a negative value contract at his age/price (and certainly wouldn't be wanted by a rebuilding team), but he'd be a good fit, potentially as an elite 6th man.


The missing part: a star/superstar guard to become available to go to the Pelicans for a combination of what we send out plus more picks from them. Trae Young? Donovan Mitchell? LaMelo Ball?

[HotelVitale]

If there's discussions going on about what Tobias' next contract will be with Morey, I'd be interested in if he's open to giving a small discount. If that's the case, I might not be so willing to dump him. Say, if you can get him for 3/50 when he'd get north of $20m per in free agency it might be worth it if we solve the roster around him for more offense such that his lack of quick trigger shooting is a problem.

Use up all the cap then bird rights on Tobias and Maxey might be a good option if we can't weaponize the cap space by the deadline. Given the players available at the deadline and prices, it wouldn't surprise me if we kept all our draft capital into the offseason.

I have a hard time seeing them going the cap space route and re-signing Tobias. Bird rights help with Maxey because his cap hold is so low. That's not the case with Tobias.

Yup doesn't work like that. Sixth St, when determining how much cap space a team has, that team has to account for every player on last year's roster: they either have to say 'i'm fully renouncing the Bird rights to this player' or 'I'm keeping the option of signing him' and then that player gets assigned a salary cap-hold. The cap hold $ figure varies but it's always higher than the player's last salary year.

In Tobias' case, if they wanted to keep the rights to re-sign him, his cap hold would be $45m--aka all the cap space we could create.

The only way Tobias could come back is some scenario where we decide not go for a max FA player and instead use up like $25m in new contracts, and can then use the remaining cap space to re-sign Tobias to a totally new deal with Bird rights for like $25m (I think he'll get more btw).

[PhillyNj]

Outgoing: The least useful expirings (Morris, Covington, Furk, House) or Tobias if necessary, 3 1st round picks

Incoming: CJ McCollum and Trey Murphy

Trey is the long-term #3 next to Embiid/Maxey. The shooting/length/athleticism/age/upside/ego are perfect, and he's blocked by Zion/Ingram/Jones in the starting lineup. CJ is probably a negative value contract at his age/price (and certainly wouldn't be wanted by a rebuilding team), but he'd be a good fit, potentially as an elite 6th man.


The missing part: a star/superstar guard to become available to go to the Pelicans for a combination of what we send out plus more picks from them. Trae Young? Donovan Mitchell? LaMelo Ball?

Thanks for the laugh. 3 FRP’s for trey Murphy and CJMcCollum.
Toronto only got a SRP for Anounuby is is way better than CJ.
On top of that I wouldn’t want CJ if he was free. He’s a bad fit with Maxey.