2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[cgf]

The more I read about Murray, the less I want him. He's a poor on-ball defender apparently. Inconsistent jump shot and wants the ball in his hands. Not a fan of him for this team. Would rather see if Grimes can get back to form

Murray hasn't played defense since leaving the Spurs. He's not as easy to pick on as Brunson, but he's no better defensively than Randle anymore.

The question becomes how can the Knicks kick the can down the road in terms of Frenchy's contract.

Depends on what they think we need, a better starting SG, a new 6th man combo guard, a starting caliber Center, a backup PG? But you could turn Fournier into someone like Brogdon / Clarkson / Capela / Gafford or combine it with DDV to try and get someone like Lavine / Mitchell.

[8516knicks]

NYK in: Bitadze
NYK out: Sims/Achiuwa + NYK or DAL FRP

ORL in: Tyus Jones + Gafford
ORL out: Bitadze + Fultz

WSH in: Fultz + Sims/Achuiwa + NYK or DAL FRP
WSH out: Tyus Jones + Gafford


followed by:

DiVincenzo + Fournier + NYK or DAL FRP + DET FRP for Lavine.

Brunson | McBride | Flynn
Lavine | Grimes
Anunoby | Hart
Randle
Hartenstein | Bitadze | Achuiwa/Sims | Gibson


Then when an MVP caliber guy becomes available we can throw Brunson/Randle/Lavine + 4 unprotected FRPs at him.

And return to the halycon days of FIZDALE!

? Lavine's totally a thibs guy. He's not a high IQ player, but the dude is a gymrat who takes basketball way too seriously. On the court he'd be a good fit in that RJ role of 3rd option, who runs the second unit because the dude, only if RJ had IQ's skills. Zach can really lace it as a C&S guy, but he also has the creation to produce in a more on ball role.

He's not good enough to bump Julius & Jalen down, but as a stopgap until a superstar becomes available, he'd be a good fit and he'd be way cheaper than someone like Mitchell...who wouldn't make us any better than Lavine would.

You want to trade Brun, Randle and Lavine AND 4 uprotected picks for a Giannis or Jokick? And have them play with 4 guys from the local YMCA????

[cgf]

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And return to the halycon days of FIZDALE!

? Lavine's totally a thibs guy. He's not a high IQ player, but the dude is a gymrat who takes basketball way too seriously. On the court he'd be a good fit in that RJ role of 3rd option, who runs the second unit because the dude, only if RJ had IQ's skills. Zach can really lace it as a C&S guy, but he also has the creation to produce in a more on ball role.

He's not good enough to bump Julius & Jalen down, but as a stopgap until a superstar becomes available, he'd be a good fit and he'd be way cheaper than someone like Mitchell...who wouldn't make us any better than Lavine would.

You want to trade Brun, Randle and Lavine AND 4 uprotected picks for a Giannis or Jokick? And have them play with 4 guys from the local YMCA????

No. I was saying Brunson, Lavine, or Randle + a mountain of picks. Not Brunson + Lavine + Randle + picks.

We’d still have two of Brunson/Lavine/Randle, Anunoby, Grimes, Robinson, Hartenstein or Bitadze, Hart, & McBride for that MVP caliber dude to play with.

[Garbagelo]

Seems like a roster full of dudes that can help us that wants to rebuild thru the draft

[8516knicks]

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? Lavine's totally a thibs guy. He's not a high IQ player, but the dude is a gymrat who takes basketball way too seriously. On the court he'd be a good fit in that RJ role of 3rd option, who runs the second unit because the dude, only if RJ had IQ's skills. Zach can really lace it as a C&S guy, but he also has the creation to produce in a more on ball role.

He's not good enough to bump Julius & Jalen down, but as a stopgap until a superstar becomes available, he'd be a good fit and he'd be way cheaper than someone like Mitchell...who wouldn't make us any better than Lavine would.

You want to trade Brun, Randle and Lavine AND 4 uprotected picks for a Giannis or Jokick? And have them play with 4 guys from the local YMCA????

No. I was saying Brunson, Lavine, or Randle + a mountain of picks. Not Brunson + Lavine + Randle + picks.

We’d still have two of Brunson/Lavine/Randle, Anunoby, Grimes, Robinson, Hartenstein or Bitadze, Hart, & McBride for that MVP caliber dude to play with.

Better but still NO. BRUN STAYS.

[cgf]

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You want to trade Brun, Randle and Lavine AND 4 uprotected picks for a Giannis or Jokick? And have them play with 4 guys from the local YMCA????

No. I was saying Brunson, Lavine, or Randle + a mountain of picks. Not Brunson + Lavine + Randle + picks.

We’d still have two of Brunson/Lavine/Randle, Anunoby, Grimes, Robinson, Hartenstein or Bitadze, Hart, & McBride for that MVP caliber dude to play with.

Better but still NO. BRUN STAYS.

Depends on who we were getting and who they’d fit better next to, but if it came down to getting someone like Luka or not, I’d give up Brunson if that’s what it took.

[8516knicks]

No. I was saying Brunson, Lavine, or Randle + a mountain of picks. Not Brunson + Lavine + Randle + picks.

We’d still have two of Brunson/Lavine/Randle, Anunoby, Grimes, Robinson, Hartenstein or Bitadze, Hart, & McBride for that MVP caliber dude to play with.

Better but still NO. BRUN STAYS.

Depends on who we were getting and who they’d fit better next to, but if it came down to getting someone like Luka or not, I’d give up Brunson if that’s what it took.

Luka's won nothing so far. Probably won't till he's 35 and ends up playing 2nd fiddle to a young star like Wemby in 10 years.

[cgf]

Better but still NO. BRUN STAYS.

Depends on who we were getting and who they’d fit better next to, but if it came down to getting someone like Luka or not, I’d give up Brunson if that’s what it took.

Luka's won nothing so far. Probably won't till he's 35 and ends up playing 2nd fiddle to a young star like Wemby in 10 years.

He's won just as much as Brunson has and he's younger

[8516knicks]

Depends on who we were getting and who they’d fit better next to, but if it came down to getting someone like Luka or not, I’d give up Brunson if that’s what it took.

Luka's won nothing so far. Probably won't till he's 35 and ends up playing 2nd fiddle to a young star like Wemby in 10 years.

He's won just as much as Brunson has and he's younger

He's a 2nd generation Harden/Westbrook.

[cgf]

Luka's won nothing so far. Probably won't till he's 35 and ends up playing 2nd fiddle to a young star like Wemby in 10 years.

He's won just as much as Brunson has and he's younger

He's a 2nd generation Harden/Westbrook.

Harsh, Brunson's clutcher than they were

[spree2kawhi]

Luka's won nothing so far. Probably won't till he's 35 and ends up playing 2nd fiddle to a young star like Wemby in 10 years.

He's won just as much as Brunson has and he's younger

He's a 2nd generation Harden/Westbrook.

He’ll go down as one of the greatest basketball players ever. I would be careful mocking a talent like that. He knows how to win.

[spree2kawhi]

Fox, Huerter, Duarte, Siakam, Sabonis

would be my favorites in the West and might win the title. Wow, I hope they do that. Siakam for Barnes, Murray and Mitchell.

With this being the Knicks thread, would we deal Randle for Murray, Barnes and Mitchell? I think we wouldn’t, but I’d love it

Fox, Huerter, Duarte, Randle, Sabonis
Brunson, Murray, OG, Barnes, Mitch - wow!

[KnixinSix]

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? Lavine's totally a thibs guy. He's not a high IQ player, but the dude is a gymrat who takes basketball way too seriously. On the court he'd be a good fit in that RJ role of 3rd option, who runs the second unit because the dude, only if RJ had IQ's skills. Zach can really lace it as a C&S guy, but he also has the creation to produce in a more on ball role.

He's not good enough to bump Julius & Jalen down, but as a stopgap until a superstar becomes available, he'd be a good fit and he'd be way cheaper than someone like Mitchell...who wouldn't make us any better than Lavine would.

You want to trade Brun, Randle and Lavine AND 4 uprotected picks for a Giannis or Jokick? And have them play with 4 guys from the local YMCA????

No. I was saying Brunson, Lavine, or Randle + a mountain of picks. Not Brunson + Lavine + Randle + picks.

We’d still have two of Brunson/Lavine/Randle, Anunoby, Grimes, Robinson, Hartenstein or Bitadze, Hart, & McBride for that MVP caliber dude to play with.

The LaVine issue is huge salary (esp with Looming CBA) for next 4 years. That combined with his somewhat volatile nature and injury proneness is probably why rumors say the market is barren for him.

If we were to go said route it makes acquiring a 50M AAV superstar much harder to fit under the cap. Also makes salary matching much harder too unless Lavine is your only big salary move. Feels like one medium size salary move (like Murray) and then a big salary move involving Randle and a bunch of salary match filler makes more sense.

[knicksNOTslick]

Fox, Huerter, Duarte, Siakam, Sabonis

would be my favorites in the West and might win the title. Wow, I hope they do that. Siakam for Barnes, Murray and Mitchell.

With this being the Knicks thread, would we deal Randle for Murray, Barnes and Mitchell? I think we wouldn’t, but I’d love it

Fox, Huerter, Duarte, Randle, Sabonis
Brunson, Murray, OG, Barnes, Mitch - wow!

A Randle-Sabonis pairing is gonna be a terrible pairing defensively. They're almost the same type of player. I wouldn't do it if I was Sacramento. Siakam might be a better fit but I don't know if it makes them that much better.

[8516knicks]

He's won just as much as Brunson has and he's younger

He's a 2nd generation Harden/Westbrook.

He’ll go down as one of the greatest basketball players ever. I would be careful mocking a talent like that. He knows how to win.

Not mocking Luka in the least. But he's like former great Oscar Robertson. Just too short to do it ALONE. Oscar needed Kareem to win it and Luka will need someone like Wemby (if he develops). And given what Luka makes its really unlikely he gets a shot at pairing with someone like that till the twilight of his career.

[spree2kawhi]

He's a 2nd generation Harden/Westbrook.

He’ll go down as one of the greatest basketball players ever. I would be careful mocking a talent like that. He knows how to win.

Not mocking Luka in the least. But he's like former great Oscar Robertson. Just too short to do it ALONE. Oscar needed Kareem to win it and Luka will need someone like Wemby (if he develops). And given what Luka makes its really unlikely he gets a shot at pairing with someone like that till the twilight of his career.

I don’t think so. Dallas has just had exceptionally weak supporting casts.

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[KnixinSix]

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Doubt his first Randle scenario is the probable one. No way do I see the Knicks giving up Randle for Murray. The more likely is closer to what Atlanta paid. A lesser player like Grimes, Fournier as salary match and then a pick or 2.

Randle used in the bigger star trade. 28.2M

Potential salary filler if necessary:

Isiah Hartenstein 9.1M (if its a Center)
Precious 4.5M
Flynn 3.8M
Ryan Arcidiacono 2.5M
McBride 5M (contract is probably front loaded)
Taj Gibson 2.2M
Grimes (if not included in other trade) 2.5M
Sims 2M
Mitchell Robinson (outside chance) 15M



Just hypothetically speaking in a Towns scenario:

Towns is at 36M this year but jumps to 52M in the offseason. A 52M salary match becomes potentially problematic unless they keep Fournier by resigning at team option at 19M (and not use him in a seperate trade). Hartenstein is an expiring 9.1M. Randle+ Precious/Flynn work extremely well right now to keep them competitive and get them out of a contract they absolutely can not afford. I get Minny is doing well and may not want to stir the pot but No team may want to touch that Towns contract next year when it goes to 52/56/60 and then 64M. Not saying this trade happens now but Knicks may have leverage for them to do it sooner rather than later...

[Juco24]

There's NO WAY I see Randle being traded

[KnixinSix]

There's NO WAY I see Randle being traded

Used to feel same way but it's clear this is Brunson's team now.

Also he moved away from CAA. Doubt its purely coincidence or not correlated.