Fake Trade Thread #5

[JustBuzzin]

What is becoming clear is that we need to find a bigger role for Miller. Scoot is all of a sudden playing better basketball. They have put the ball in his hands and let him run the show. We need to do that with Miller.

Sorry but Terry jacking up shots is not helping us win games. Bridges is starting to become a chucker as well.

I like the Collins idea because he simply plays his role he wouldn't be here trying to jack up shots. He fits a need and can play the pf/c role.

All I want in the New Year is for us to trade Rozier. I've seen enough let him go compete in the playoffs as a 6th man for a contender. We need to start building around Melo/Miller/Mark. Those are our foundation players. Let them run the show.

[fatlever]

what does scoot playing better have anything to do with what we should or shouldn't do with miller?

[KingCat]

what does scoot playing better have anything to do with what we should or shouldn't do with miller?

I agree. We shouldn't let outside factors like that force our hand. Miller is well ahead of the curve as a rookie, but I think asking him to do more on offense would be a big mistake and could kill his confidence.

It is super evident that he does not have the handles right now to be a consistent go-to guy in the half court. Maybe one of Terry or Miles hopeless drives can instead be 2 more 3pt attempts per game for Miller, but outside of that, I like his current position in our offense. Not too much is being put on his shoulders, yet still giving him an opportunity to play and develop.

[GoBobs]

What is becoming clear is that we need to find a bigger role for Miller. Scoot is all of a sudden playing better basketball. They have put the ball in his hands and let him run the show. We need to do that with Miller.

Sorry but Terry jacking up shots is not helping us win games. Bridges is starting to become a chucker as well.

I like the Collins idea because he simply plays his role he wouldn't be here trying to jack up shots. He fits a need and can play the pf/c role.

All I want in the New Year is for us to trade Rozier. I've seen enough let him go compete in the playoffs as a 6th man for a contender. We need to start building around Melo/Miller/Mark. Those are our foundation players. Let them run the show.

but Terry isn't just jacking up shots, he is also setting other guys up. 12 of his last 15 games went for over 7 assists. 3 of those games had 13 assists. Some of those assists are going to Brandon Miller.

You think Brandon Miller is going to look better if we run the ball through him first

really nice rook but he needs to tighten up his handle a bit before he is ready for that.

[GoBobs]

Rozier has been the MVP of our season so far. He has the most total points. He has the most total assists even though both LaMelo and Hayward have played enough minutes to have more turnovers.

Rozier has showed up and played well more than anyone else on the team so far this year. Don't tell me he is the problem because he is 29 and you think that is to old for a team not in the playoff picture. Not having any vets and relying on to many young players is the problem.

The silver lining for the sickos this season is the growth of Rozier as well as the play of Miller. Maybe someday we will even see LaMelo back playing well and Rozier still playing well. That might even be enough for a good team without Miles Bridges if we had a Rick Carsile or Bud level coach.

[Bassman]

PJ is actually who we suspected he is; an under motivated player who likes to sit outside and shoot threes verses mixing it up in the paint. He’s had big games where we all say “now THATS the PJ we need every night”, but far far more the opposite. Both he and Miles are somewhat undersized for PF. John Collins might have his own issues but he’s a stronger rebounder who shoots a slightly better percentage than Miles, and ditto PJ as well. I’d be glad to get Collins here and send Miles and Gordon out, but I doubt Miles would approve that destination.

Considering the **** that is the Hornets post Borrego I don't resent PJ for feeling that way

Indeed. My hope would be a new coach gets him playing with consistency. With Collins as our starting 4, a consistent PJ coming off the bench with good minutes, plus (hopefully) a healthy Mark and decent Nick, our bigs might actually play BIG.

[JustBuzzin]

Rozier has been the MVP of our season so far. He has the most total points. He has the most total assists even though both LaMelo and Hayward have played enough minutes to have more turnovers.

Rozier has showed up and played well more than anyone else on the team so far this year. Don't tell me he is the problem because he is 29 and you think that is to old for a team not in the playoff picture. Not having any vets and relying on to many young players is the problem.

The silver lining for the sickos this season is the growth of Rozier as well as the play of Miller. Maybe someday we will even see LaMelo back playing well and Rozier still playing well. That might even be enough for a good team without Miles Bridges if we had a Rick Carsile or Bud level coach.

Bro we won 7 games there is no MVP of the team.

Rozier has the best stats because he's taking over in the LaMelo role. He's putting up empty calories that's not leading to wins. Nothing MVP about that.

[SWedd523]

I wonder if you'd feel the same if it was Miller doing it instead

[KingCat]

Roizer is the MVP of the team so far. It is also fair to say that your team is more than a little screwed if a guy like Roizer is your best active player by far.

I'm at the point where I think we need to keep Roizer unless he somehow manages to net us a 2025 zero, to no protection draft pick from a mid team.

Trading Terry could bring us close to 2012 Bobcats levels of bad.

[Diop]

Pick one:

1) Trade Gordo straight up for John Collins.

2) Let Gordo expire.

3) Swallow a bottle of pills.

I was just contemplating Collins as replacement for starting 4. Not a super exciting player but I think he would produce more than PJ

Is it just me or did PJ regress the second Miles was brought back

i heard during a broadcast that PJ was considered a fantastic team first guy.

It feels like he was assertive and aggressive when Miles was out, then when Miles returned he was happy to relax and defer.

There might be a touch of Diaw in his mentality, Diaw was more skilled though.

[JDR720]

Rozier has been the MVP of our season so far. He has the most total points. He has the most total assists even though both LaMelo and Hayward have played enough minutes to have more turnovers.

Rozier has showed up and played well more than anyone else on the team so far this year. Don't tell me he is the problem because he is 29 and you think that is to old for a team not in the playoff picture. Not having any vets and relying on to many young players is the problem.

The silver lining for the sickos this season is the growth of Rozier as well as the play of Miller. Maybe someday we will even see LaMelo back playing well and Rozier still playing well. That might even be enough for a good team without Miles Bridges if we had a Rick Carsile or Bud level coach.

Rozier has been our best player this season but that doesn't change the fact he's the odd man out if we want to seriously make some changes.

We need to pick a lane. Are we rebuilding, or trying to claw our way into the playoffs this or next season?

If it's the former, there is no reason to keep him.

If it's the latter, we should trade him if his value is high enough to get better fits.

We're on pace for our worst season since before we got Melo. No reason to be attached to anyone on this team besides Melo, Mark and Miller. Everyone else is fair game. We need to overhaul half the roster, get a new coach and a new GM. The 2024 todo list is pretty long.

[Liver_Pooty]

Rozier has been the MVP of our season so far. He has the most total points. He has the most total assists even though both LaMelo and Hayward have played enough minutes to have more turnovers.

Rozier has showed up and played well more than anyone else on the team so far this year. Don't tell me he is the problem because he is 29 and you think that is to old for a team not in the playoff picture. Not having any vets and relying on to many young players is the problem.

The silver lining for the sickos this season is the growth of Rozier as well as the play of Miller. Maybe someday we will even see LaMelo back playing well and Rozier still playing well. That might even be enough for a good team without Miles Bridges if we had a Rick Carsile or Bud level coach.

Can't talk to half these people on here. I agree, though.

[Rich4114]

Terry has put up amazing stats. The problem is his brand of basketball. Box score? He's doing fantastic. On-court effect it has on winning? When has his stats ever led to wins? He dribbles the ball do a pulp and then takes a shot or passes a grenade. Meaning the ball doesn't move and guys aren't involved. Our offense ends up standing around. Oh and he doesn't do a thing on defense. This isn't Terry slander, this is the role he's been put into. We're saying, go play like this because this is our best chance at winning. And then we never win, because in reality we're just as likely to win without him on the floor all together unless he's taking a back-seat as a scorer with someone else moving the ball. I wish the NBA kept track of hockey assists. It would really highlight the difference between LaMelo's box score and Terry's.

It's just time to move on unless we bring in a new coach who recognizes this and moves Terry to 6th man scorer off the bench.

[amcoolio]

This is like praising Kyle Kuzma's season... I just don't get it

If you believe Terry is playing great...why are we losing every game? Most games by 20+? Great players, or even good ones, make others better and will their teams to wins, no matter how **** the players are around him.

If Terry didn't play at all this season... is our record or point differential any different?

There is no way you can tell me "he's the team MVP" considering he gives up MORE on defense than he creates on offense, which is absurd for Terry's stat line. Terry didnt play against the Nuggets yesterday and I felt we had a better chance to win

[JustBuzzin]

It's simple some think because Terry has the best stats means he's our best player. I'm watching these games and Terry is just.putting up empty stats.

He takes the most shots on the team of course he's going to score the most points! What about his defense? What about his ability to make the correct pass? There is more to basketball than just scoring.

This team as whole has looked bad mainly because we are missing 2 major pieces in LaMelo/Mark.

I just think we need to move on from some of our vets. They aren't really helping us win anyway.

[yosemiteben]

Can we at least agree that if we move Terry for expirings / non-primary scorers that we are going to get worse, not better? Terry is not stealing productivity from anyone else on this roster that is ready to contribute. We are losing anyway, yes, but Terry actually has NBA ready skills that few others on the roster actually have.

With Melo out, there is no one on this roster that can come close to carrying the scoring load like Terry has. Shipping him out is a tank move, not a move to improve our performance in the short term.

[SWedd523]

Can we at least agree that if we move Terry for expirings / non-primary scorers that we are going to get worse, not better? Terry is not stealing productivity from anyone else on this roster that is ready to contribute. We are losing anyway, yes, but Terry actually has NBA ready skills that few others on the roster actually have.

With Melo out, there is no one on this roster that can come close to carrying the scoring load like Terry has. Shipping him out is a tank move, not a move to improve our performance in the short term.

I mean I honestly don't think Terry or Not-Terry moves the needle very much one direction or the other.

Are we "worse"? Eh probably.

Is the W/L affected? Maybe but probably not by more than a game or so?

[Rich4114]

Can we at least agree that if we move Terry for expirings / non-primary scorers that we are going to get worse, not better? Terry is not stealing productivity from anyone else on this roster that is ready to contribute. We are losing anyway, yes, but Terry actually has NBA ready skills that few others on the roster actually have.

With Melo out, there is no one on this roster that can come close to carrying the scoring load like Terry has. Shipping him out is a tank move, not a move to improve our performance in the short term.

We cannot agree with that. We will have one less 20ppg scorer and either end up with the exact same results in the W/L column or give someone else a chance to break out. Terry's game does not lead to winning. How many seasons do we need of 20ppg Terry to prove this to some people?

[yosemiteben]

Can we at least agree that if we move Terry for expirings / non-primary scorers that we are going to get worse, not better? Terry is not stealing productivity from anyone else on this roster that is ready to contribute. We are losing anyway, yes, but Terry actually has NBA ready skills that few others on the roster actually have.

With Melo out, there is no one on this roster that can come close to carrying the scoring load like Terry has. Shipping him out is a tank move, not a move to improve our performance in the short term.

I mean I honestly don't think Terry or Not-Terry moves the needle very much one direction or the other.

Are we "worse"? Eh probably.

Is the W/L affected? Maybe but probably not by more than a game or so?

I guess I'm left wondering what the point is of moving guys with useful skillsets. We could realistically lose Miles this summer and I think everyone wants to move Gordo. We are already at a talent deficit, moving our most talented guys does not seem to be to be a productive step forward towards becoming competitive unless we're just going full tank.

[yosemiteben]

Can we at least agree that if we move Terry for expirings / non-primary scorers that we are going to get worse, not better? Terry is not stealing productivity from anyone else on this roster that is ready to contribute. We are losing anyway, yes, but Terry actually has NBA ready skills that few others on the roster actually have.

With Melo out, there is no one on this roster that can come close to carrying the scoring load like Terry has. Shipping him out is a tank move, not a move to improve our performance in the short term.

We cannot agree with that. We will have one less 20ppg scorer and either end up with the exact same results in the W/L column or give someone else a chance to break out. Terry's game does not lead to winning. How many seasons do we need of 20ppg Terry to prove this to some people?

A 20 PPG scorer isn't going to carry a team, and that's not on Terry. We're not paying him like he has to be a top tier, team carrying star, I don't see why we need to trade him because he's not someone we aren't paying him to be.

We are a talent depleted team upset that an A+ complimentary scorer is not single handedly carrying us to wins and wanting to move him because we keep losing like he's the one to blame for it.