NFC East

[Mr B]

I know the bravado can get old or tiresome after a while but what specifically has Sirianni done (or not done) that’s made Eagles players and fans turn on him? Is it the X’s and O’s? Is he just not a disciplinarian?

[Jaydubb]

Doug pederson has his issues too but nick sirianni seems like a down grade right now. A huge difference between nick and Doug is Doug would never be “the bad guy”. He’s that kind of coach that always congratulates you on a good play but then say “oh it’s ok, try harder next time” when there’s a bad play. Sirianni by many accounts is not afraid to rip into players, even long time eagle players like kelce, lane Johnson, fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham etc. This can be a good thing if done correctly but reading between the lines I wonder if sirianni is the kinda guy that rips into somebody for that player (or coaches) fault but deflects blame for his own fault. When you are starting to lose games, this becomes extremely annoying.

Also, I’ve seen players defend Sean desai and I’ve seen players defend Brian Johnson. Hell, I’ve even seen players defend Matt Patricia. But I’ve yet to see players defend sirianni. Also last year it looked like sirianni had a lot of positive interactions with players on the side lines such as laughing chest bumps customized hand shakes etc. I haven’t seen that much this year, even when the eagles were winning. The majority of sideline shots of sirianni is he’s either yelling at a player, a ref, an assistant coach, or just standing there with a blank stare.

I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes but I really wouldn’t be surprised if more details slowly start to come out after the eagles season ends in a few weeks.

[QB_Eagles]

I know the bravado can get old or tiresome after a while but what specifically has Sirianni done (or not done) that’s made Eagles players and fans turn on him? Is it the X’s and O’s? Is he just not a disciplinarian?

I think he's actually OK as a HC (alone) but he needs his coordinators to do a good job.

I don't necessarily need Brian Johnson to be fired; struggles were to be expected in his first year as an OC and play-caller. But it shouldn't derail like this and the HC is partially to blame for this.

[Jaydubb]

I know the bravado can get old or tiresome after a while but what specifically has Sirianni done (or not done) that’s made Eagles players and fans turn on him? Is it the X’s and O’s? Is he just not a disciplinarian?

I think he's actually OK as a HC (alone) but he needs his coordinators to do a good job.

I don't necessarily need Brian Johnson to be fired; struggles were to be expected in his first year as an OC and play-caller. But it shouldn't derail like this and the HC is partially to blame for this.

Sirianni strikes me as a guy that will point out flaws but won’t offer solutions. He needs better assistant coaches around him to succeed.

[Mamba42]

I know the bravado can get old or tiresome after a while but what specifically has Sirianni done (or not done) that’s made Eagles players and fans turn on him? Is it the X’s and O’s? Is he just not a disciplinarian?

I think he's actually OK as a HC (alone) but he needs his coordinators to do a good job.

I don't necessarily need Brian Johnson to be fired; struggles were to be expected in his first year as an OC and play-caller. But it shouldn't derail like this and the HC is partially to blame for this.

Sirianni strikes me as a guy that will point out flaws but won’t offer solutions. He needs better assistant coaches around him to succeed.

That's the feeling I've always had about him. He seems super cocky and that probably contributes to him not taking any of the blame. I've just never liked Sirianni and it's not a dislike of the Eagles. I always liked and respected Andy Reid. I thought Chip Kelly did some really innovative things before he destroyed the roster and liked Doug Pederson as a coach too. Sirianni just seems like such a tool.

[last stand]

I know the bravado can get old or tiresome after a while but what specifically has Sirianni done (or not done) that’s made Eagles players and fans turn on him? Is it the X’s and O’s? Is he just not a disciplinarian?

The issue is offensively there have been next to no injuries. The fact that they’re as sloppy as they are and underperforming as much as they are is a red flag

But also I have concerns at how badly it’s derailed and how much lack of faith there is on the sideline

It has more to do with the vibe of the team for me and the sloppiness, poor coaching

Did you know in the history of the nfl the eagles are only the 3rd team in nfl history to start 10-1 and lose 4 of their next 5

That’s how rare it is. That’s a really bad sign with coaching

And what I’ll say to that is that means there are systemic issues. Also whenever everything from a previous year that worked no longer does that means there was no counter to defenses adjusting to your scheme.

There’s so much poor coaching top to bottom that it comes back on the head coach.

[last stand]

I think he's actually OK as a HC (alone) but he needs his coordinators to do a good job.

I don't necessarily need Brian Johnson to be fired; struggles were to be expected in his first year as an OC and play-caller. But it shouldn't derail like this and the HC is partially to blame for this.

Sirianni strikes me as a guy that will point out flaws but won’t offer solutions. He needs better assistant coaches around him to succeed.

That's the feeling I've always had about him. He seems super cocky and that probably contributes to him not taking any of the blame. I've just never liked Sirianni and it's not a dislike of the Eagles. I always liked and respected Andy Reid. I thought Chip Kelly did some really innovative things before he destroyed the roster and liked Doug Pederson as a coach too. Sirianni just seems like such a tool.

Sirianni is much better than chip, below Andy and Doug

Chip was a douche who succeeded early but had nothing left after

[El Turco]

I'd like to imagine Chip never existed in NFL.

[last stand]

I know the bravado can get old or tiresome after a while but what specifically has Sirianni done (or not done) that’s made Eagles players and fans turn on him? Is it the X’s and O’s? Is he just not a disciplinarian?

I think he's actually OK as a HC (alone) but he needs his coordinators to do a good job.

I don't necessarily need Brian Johnson to be fired; struggles were to be expected in his first year as an OC and play-caller. But it shouldn't derail like this and the HC is partially to blame for this.

I think Brian Johnson or Nick are to blame. I do think it’s schematic first and foremost which is Nick but some play call timing is off. Their blitz fighting concepts are a joke, and some analysts have gone back to even last season and said they were bad then. Which is also Nick

If Ben Johnson is the genius people think, I’d think it’d be worth it to have a playcaller at HC so we only have to worry about hiring defensive coordinators

I’d be fine with Nick next year if things are fixed. But if not I’d love a Ben Johnson with dennard wilson at DC

[Mamba42]

I'd like to imagine Chip never existed in NFL.

There were some fun years with him. Michael Vick? First iteration of Nick Foles?

[QB_Eagles]

I have to admit I liked Chip way more than I should have. His greatest deed in the NFL was almost winning a power struggle against Howie Roseman.

[El Turco]

I'd like to imagine Chip never existed in NFL.

There were some fun years with him. Michael Vick? First iteration of Nick Foles?

First year was interesting but NFL catches up to you fast, and I thought even in Philly he tried to run the team like a college coach, same fatal mistake Urban made. He gave up on players too quickly largely when they didnt accept his dictatorial approach, which obviously worked well in college. Would have liked to see the Foles-McCoy-Maclin team given another chance.

With Niners he was just abhorrent. He didnt have much to work with but he also never made adjustments when defenses caught up to his play calling, that one year was the most unwatchable football Ive ever seen. He also clashed with everyone for the same reasons.

[last stand]

I have to admit I liked Chip way more than I should have. His greatest deed in the NFL was almost winning a power struggle against Howie Roseman.

I mean lol

He wanted to draft mariota and Dion Jordan during his stay

He drafted Marcus smith once he took over power

Howies last draft before chip took over was lane Johnson and Zach ertz

I’m not sure chip taking power away was exactly for the best. Howie clearly can build Super Bowl caliber rosters

[QB_Eagles]

I have to admit I liked Chip way more than I should have. His greatest deed in the NFL was almost winning a power struggle against Howie Roseman.

I mean lol

He wanted to draft mariota and Dion Jordan during his stay

He drafted Marcus smith once he took over power

Howies last draft before chip took over was lane Johnson and Zach ertz

I’m not sure chip taking power away was exactly for the best. Howie clearly can build Super Bowl caliber rosters

I think this clear distinction between "Howie drafts" and "Chip drafts" during the Chip Kelly years is fake. Chip never gets credit for anything good that happened, like signing Malcolm Jenkins in free agency or extending Brandon Graham.

I'm not saying getting rid of Howie would have been a good thing; I'm saying it's impressive that Chip almost succeeded. Howie will be here as long as Lurie.

[Jaydubb]

I'd like to imagine Chip never existed in NFL.

There were some fun years with him. Michael Vick? First iteration of Nick Foles?

The really fun Michael Vick year was 100% Andy Reid. Vick wasn’t as good with chip for whatever reason which sounds odd. The nick foles rookie year was chip but I think it was moreso because the league hadn’t seen chip dip Kelly’s offense in the nfl yet and didn’t know how to defend it but the rest of the league caught on pretty quick after that first year.

[last stand]

I have to admit I liked Chip way more than I should have. His greatest deed in the NFL was almost winning a power struggle against Howie Roseman.

I mean lol

He wanted to draft mariota and Dion Jordan during his stay

He drafted Marcus smith once he took over power

Howies last draft before chip took over was lane Johnson and Zach ertz

I’m not sure chip taking power away was exactly for the best. Howie clearly can build Super Bowl caliber rosters

I think this clear distinction between "Howie drafts" and "Chip drafts" during the Chip Kelly years is fake. Chip never gets credit for anything good that happened, like signing Malcolm Jenkins in free agency or extending Brandon Graham.

I'm not saying getting rid of Howie would have been a good thing; I'm saying it's impressive that Chip almost succeeded. Howie will be here as long as Lurie.

Well I think it’s clear howie and chip were both a part of 2013

And then I think it’s clear he had total control in 2014 and 2015

He did do some good things. I don’t think the chip era is looked at particularly fondly. Also Brandon graham wasnt chip, he talked about it recently that chip was ready to move on until the guy who was supposed to replace graham tore his knee to shreds forcing them to resign him.

I think my main issue with chip is hearing Jason avant, desean Jackson and Vick all bad mouth him

They make it sound quite clearly that he obliterated a Super Bowl level roster

[last stand]

I'd like to imagine Chip never existed in NFL.

There were some fun years with him. Michael Vick? First iteration of Nick Foles?

The really fun Michael Vick year was 100% Andy Reid. Vick wasn’t as good with chip for whatever reason which sounds odd. The nick foles rookie year was chip but I think it was moreso because the league hadn’t seen chip dip Kelly’s offense in the nfl yet and didn’t know how to defend it but the rest of the league caught on pretty quick after that first year.

I just think chip wasn’t terrible. But he’s last on my list

Andy
Doug
Nick
Chip

I think that’s fair. Hopefully the next one is here longer considering I don’t have high hopes they’ll bring back Nick. I don’t think it’s a good sign Sean desai was fired in season. Means there’s a lot of upset in the front office and things aren’t being looked at very well.

[QB_Eagles]

I think my main issue with chip is hearing Jason avant, desean Jackson and Vick all bad mouth him

They make it sound quite clearly that he obliterated a Super Bowl level roster

What SB level roster? The 2013 one with Carey Williams and Bradley Fletcher at CB?

[Jaydubb]

I have to admit I liked Chip way more than I should have. His greatest deed in the NFL was almost winning a power struggle against Howie Roseman.

I mean lol

He wanted to draft mariota and Dion Jordan during his stay

He drafted Marcus smith once he took over power

Howies last draft before chip took over was lane Johnson and Zach ertz

I’m not sure chip taking power away was exactly for the best. Howie clearly can build Super Bowl caliber rosters

It’s wild to know what chip offered for mariota. The equivalent of lane johnson, the 20th pick that year, fletcher cox, nick foles, and two 2nd round picks. lmfao that was about to be one of the worst trades in nfl history. Luckily Tennessee declined that offer

[last stand]

I think my main issue with chip is hearing Jason avant, desean Jackson and Vick all bad mouth him

They make it sound quite clearly that he obliterated a Super Bowl level roster

What SB level roster? The 2013 one with Carey Williams and Bradley Fletcher at CB?

I mean, they seemed convinced. The eagles had Ronald Darby and Jalen mills when they won the Super Bowl?

I’m going off what the players themselves said. I don’t think chip was particularly good for this franchise or the niners. I think that’s been made pretty clearly from writers to players onward