Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

[Archx]

You know how hard they tried and they couldn't do it. They were pushing hard for McGee and THJ deals, couldn't get anything done without including picks or one of Green/Hardy combo.

After the Williams deal, it became clear why they insisted on McGee, it would've kept the TPE complete, but that wasn't the only way, they could've pulled it off.

They could have but nothing happened. Why? We don't know exactly. No takers? Not enough creativity? I think they were heavily invested in some players they didn't want to get rid off and now it backfired. I still think the deal for Williams wasn't so bad unless he becomes totally unplayable very soon.

[Bob8]

If that's your assumption so be it. We all saw the injury thinking it was way worse.

Happy New Year!!!

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Assumption based on his availability during last 5 years.

I mean we could make the assumption that Luka would never be in shape for an entire season based on what we've seen too.

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We could, but fortunately, not in shape Luka still plays games, when he's not 100%, unlike Kyrie. And he's giving everything, averaging 40 minutes. What would have happened to Mavs, if Luka decides, that he needs 1 month off to properly heal his leg?

[ejs78]

Assumption based on his availability during last 5 years.

I mean we could make the assumption that Luka would never be in shape for an entire season based on what we've seen too.

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We could, but fortunately, not in shape Luka still plays games, when he's not 100%, unlike Kyrie. And he's giving everything, averaging 40 minutes. What would have happened to Mavs, if Luka decides, that he needs 1 month off to properly heal his leg?

We're not doctors or medical trainers. You can believe anything you want, but there could be additional context to the injury we don't know about. We have plenty of examples of injuries labeled the same thing yet one player comes back much sooner than another.



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[Bob8]

I mean we could make the assumption that Luka would never be in shape for an entire season based on what we've seen too.

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We could, but fortunately, not in shape Luka still plays games, when he's not 100%, unlike Kyrie. And he's giving everything, averaging 40 minutes. What would have happened to Mavs, if Luka decides, that he needs 1 month off to properly heal his leg?

We're not doctors or medical trainers. You can believe anything you want, but there could be additional context to the injury we don't know about. We have plenty of examples of injuries labeled the same thing yet one player comes back much sooner than another.



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I agree that we can't be sure what's going on, although we know it wasn't something very serious. But it's also true that Kyrie is missing a lot of games for different reasons and he doesn't seem like someone willing to play every night. There's enough data to support Kyrie's questionable motivation on some occasions. And he's simply missing too many games every season.

On the other hand you have Luka, with questionable physical conditioning in the past, but his motivation to play whenever possible is unquestionable.

[ejs78]

We could, but fortunately, not in shape Luka still plays games, when he's not 100%, unlike Kyrie. And he's giving everything, averaging 40 minutes. What would have happened to Mavs, if Luka decides, that he needs 1 month off to properly heal his leg?

We're not doctors or medical trainers. You can believe anything you want, but there could be additional context to the injury we don't know about. We have plenty of examples of injuries labeled the same thing yet one player comes back much sooner than another.



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I agree that we can't be sure what's going on, although we know it wasn't something very serious. But it's also true that Kyrie is missing a lot of games for different reasons and he doesn't seem like someone willing to play every night. There's enough data to support Kyrie's questionable motivation on some occasions. And he's simply missing too many games every season.

On the other hand you have Luka, with questionable physical conditioning in the past, but his motivation to play whenever possible is unquestionable.

What's Luka's motivation to show up to games clearly hung over?

We can do this with every player and until Kyrie does something to disrupt the team I would just assume he's hurt.

[Bob8]

We're not doctors or medical trainers. You can believe anything you want, but there could be additional context to the injury we don't know about. We have plenty of examples of injuries labeled the same thing yet one player comes back much sooner than another.



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I agree that we can't be sure what's going on, although we know it wasn't something very serious. But it's also true that Kyrie is missing a lot of games for different reasons and he doesn't seem like someone willing to play every night. There's enough data to support Kyrie's questionable motivation on some occasions. And he's simply missing too many games every season.

On the other hand you have Luka, with questionable physical conditioning in the past, but his motivation to play whenever possible is unquestionable.

What's Luka's motivation to show up to games clearly hung over?

We can do this with every player and until Kyrie does something to disrupt the team I would just assume he's hurt.

He's hurt more or less nonstop since 2019, he's made of glass or something else is going on.

Kinda difficult to compare Luka with 34 points triple double in 37 minutes and someone, who has missed half of the season because of non structural injuries. Luka with or without hungover, is the only reason for Mavs being still alive while the second star is healing.

[41Dirk41]

Anyway about Siakam i think will be very important what Paskal wants... No teams will trade for him without an extension signed.

If he wants to play with Luka, Kyrie and Lively then Mavs and Raps will find a trade.

[ejs78]

FYI:

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[BliscoSantos]

FYI:

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Didn't they wrote the same thing about Kyrie last year?

[Mavrelous]

FYI:

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Siakam is a bad fit, if ATL trades for him then Mavs should step in and take Capela and Hunter if they are part of the deal.
Didn't they wrote the same thing about Kyrie last year?

[Archx]

The fact that guys like Siakam are not on top of their list is either them throwing smoke screens or simply still detached from reality. Which athletic 4's that can be all star players can they even realistically get then?

[BliscoSantos]

It's being reported that Siakam wants control of his next destination and won't sign na extension with a team that traded for him (wants to Play the season for the Raptors)...maybe he's saying that because there are certain teams(who are interested and can pit up a good offer) he doesn't wanna play for...I think Sixers are on his list(Joel and he are both of Cameroonian,maybe he wants to team up) but Mavs would probably make sense too sonce they need a Player of his type and with Luka and Kai already have two superstar...by joining the Mavs,they would become a serious contender and he knows the Mavs don't have a lot to offer...Mavs could have a shot,if not this deadline ,maybe a Summer sign&trade??

[Mavrelous]

Siakam can command supermax if he is picked to all NBA, only if he stays in TOR, if he's traded then regular max, maybe that's what's motivating him.

[BliscoSantos]

Siakam can command supermax if he is picked to all NBA, only if he stays in TOR, if he's traded then regular max, maybe that's what's motivating him.

Has he already made the requirements for the Supermax?and would Toronto give him that? If he would be willing to come to Dallas,would he lose much money,considering less tax?

[Mavrelous]

Siakam can command supermax if he is picked to all NBA, only if he stays in TOR, if he's traded then regular max, maybe that's what's motivating him.

Has he already made the requirements for the Supermax?and would Toronto give him that? If he would be willing to come to Dallas,would he lose much money,considering less tax?

No, no and yes.

[41Dirk41]

It's a player league, all stars decide where they will play... And how much teams will pay them.

Lakers maked a lot of ridiculous trades because that.

[BliscoSantos]

Siakam can command supermax if he is picked to all NBA, only if he stays in TOR, if he's traded then regular max, maybe that's what's motivating him.

Has he already made the requirements for the Supermax?and would Toronto give him that? If he would be willing to come to Dallas,would he lose much money,considering less tax?

No, no and yes.

Well,with the numbers he's having there's a good chance he misses all-nba... don't know what are the chances of him making all-defense...but if he misses Both,he doesn't really lose any money...and by everythimg that happened I kind of think he's sick of Toronto and wants to contend again(he knows he's not a first option)... I think Philly intrigues him(Embild,Maxey),maybe Miami(Bam,Butler)and Dallas(Luka,Kyrie) ...he'd make all three teams an instant contender...or maybe he goes to the Lakers,but I feel like there's too much overleap with LeBron and AD, those other teams make better options

[Mavrelous]

Philly and IND are the best fits, Siakam is a non-spacing 4, whose game is mainly iso in the post, he's not a good fit in DAL offensively, defensively he's great.

[BliscoSantos]

Philly and IND are the best fits, Siakam is a non-spacing 4, whose game is mainly iso in the post, he's not a good fit in DAL offensively, defensively he's great.

I think he ends in PHI, MIA or Dallas... don't think IND ,SAC or ATL interest him

[Mavrelous]

Philly and IND are the best fits, Siakam is a non-spacing 4, whose game is mainly iso in the post, he's not a good fit in DAL offensively, defensively he's great.

I think he ends in PHI, MIA or Dallas... don't think IND ,SAC or ATL interest him

He's a great fit next to Myles Turner, we'll see...
It's a bizarre situation where a team wants to trade a player and he doesn't want to.