The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2

[Grew]

While you're right about the team being in a bad state, but a good prospect should still be able to not be complete ass, especially in the G League . Gradey has been horrific. He has been getting completely open shots and he can't make them, which was his calling card. But even so, shooters sometimes need adjustment, but he can't do anything else. You can blame the team (Both Raptors and G league) all you want but we're not asking much of him. He's making his G League team worse when he's on the floor which is unreal. This post seems similar to the apologetic Bargnani posts back in the day where Bargnani was never to blame, but Mitchell, Bosh, Ford, the front office asking him to gain weight was the reason he sucked. (Maybe he just didn't want to get in shape). Not the fact that he had the worst defensive awareness in the league, had low BBIQ, and didn't give a sht.

Its too early to for sure call Gradey a bust. He can turn it around. But it really doesn't look like he has a high ceiling. I don't know if there's anyone that looked this bad in the G league that became an good NBA player. I hope he does become one, but I think the odds are against it. And Darko has been bad, but I don't think you can blame Gradey's play on him. He's probably been given more opportunity than most coaches would. And If he can't play with inferior players in the G league, why would be get plays run for him with the big club?

The gleague is irrelevant. Gradey already showed he can play against those guys in summer league. The gleague is a bunch of chuckers hoping to get called up, Gradey is a system guy, who we sent to an already 0-7 team once our coach gave up on him. Chris Boucher was a gleague MVP. Most rotation players in the NBA have never sniffed the gleague and most of the best gleaguers ever have never sniffed an NBA rotation.

Any decent NBA player would dominate the G league. Any system player thats decent in the NBA can dominate the G league. Like it or not Chris Boucher is a decent player with a great motor and had the best net rating on the team multiple times. Gradey will be lucky to be as impactful as him at this point. Gradey's also got plenty of touches of touches in the G league so who cares about him being a system player. I don't know if there's been a player that played that bad in the G league and became a good NBA player. The odds right now are stacked against him, but there's always a chance. If he played like he did and was drafted in the 2nd with a unguaranteed contract, he'd probably be cut by now.

I'm pulling for him to succeed but like I said your posts are full of excuses for his poor play from outside circumstances when his poor play is mostly on him.


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I just find the gleague to be almost entirely irrelevant to the NBA. The players that dominate down there don't even play in the league for the most part, so who cares if Gradey dominates it? He needs to find his range and adjust to the pace of the NBA game. He played well against those scrubs in summer league. Our gleague team was 0-7 when he went down there, not exactly a stellar environment to walk into. Shot creators who aren't good enough for the big league are who do well down there, or physical specimens that can't set themselves apart in the NBA. Gradey just isn't built for that as a player architype.

[HumbleRen]

The gleague is irrelevant. Gradey already showed he can play against those guys in summer league. The gleague is a bunch of chuckers hoping to get called up, Gradey is a system guy, who we sent to an already 0-7 team once our coach gave up on him. Chris Boucher was a gleague MVP. Most rotation players in the NBA have never sniffed the gleague and most of the best gleaguers ever have never sniffed an NBA rotation.

Any decent NBA player would dominate the G league. Any system player thats decent in the NBA can dominate the G league. Like it or not Chris Boucher is a decent player with a great motor and had the best net rating on the team multiple times. Gradey will be lucky to be as impactful as him at this point. Gradey's also got plenty of touches of touches in the G league so who cares about him being a system player. I don't know if there's been a player that played that bad in the G league and became a good NBA player. The odds right now are stacked against him, but there's always a chance. If he played like he did and was drafted in the 2nd with a unguaranteed contract, he'd probably be cut by now.

I'm pulling for him to succeed but like I said your posts are full of excuses for his poor play from outside circumstances when his poor play is mostly on him.


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I just find the gleague to be almost entirely irrelevant to the NBA. The players that dominate down there don't even play in the league for the most part, so who cares if Gradey dominates it? He needs to find his range and adjust to the pace of the NBA game. He played well against those scrubs in summer league. Our gleague team was 0-7 when he went down there, not exactly a stellar environment to walk into. Shot creators who aren't good enough for the big league are who do well down there, or physical specimens that can't set themselves apart in the NBA. Gradey just isn't built for that as a player architype.

He shot under 30% in summer league as well btw.

[Rodrickle]

Any decent NBA player would dominate the G league. Any system player thats decent in the NBA can dominate the G league. Like it or not Chris Boucher is a decent player with a great motor and had the best net rating on the team multiple times. Gradey will be lucky to be as impactful as him at this point. Gradey's also got plenty of touches of touches in the G league so who cares about him being a system player. I don't know if there's been a player that played that bad in the G league and became a good NBA player. The odds right now are stacked against him, but there's always a chance. If he played like he did and was drafted in the 2nd with a unguaranteed contract, he'd probably be cut by now.

I'm pulling for him to succeed but like I said your posts are full of excuses for his poor play from outside circumstances when his poor play is mostly on him.


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I just find the gleague to be almost entirely irrelevant to the NBA. The players that dominate down there don't even play in the league for the most part, so who cares if Gradey dominates it? He needs to find his range and adjust to the pace of the NBA game. He played well against those scrubs in summer league. Our gleague team was 0-7 when he went down there, not exactly a stellar environment to walk into. Shot creators who aren't good enough for the big league are who do well down there, or physical specimens that can't set themselves apart in the NBA. Gradey just isn't built for that as a player architype.

He shot under 30% in summer league as well btw.

Doesn't matter if you're ball dominant or not. You should still succeed in the G league in one way or another. Doesn't have to be PPG. It's still basketball. His job is to hit open shots at a decent rate. Everyone knows he doesn't need to create. If he's playing against scrub type G league defense against scrubs as you say, he should be able to at least not make his team worse with horrible shooting and turnovers. Hardly anyone is spoon fed a perfect situation. And hitting back rim is one thing, but airballs is another

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[mathgeek]

I think you guys are overrating G-League dominance. The problem is Gradey's game is not conducive to being a ball dominant scorer. He's an off the ball guy that is supposed to be making shots. So not putting up stats in the gleague isn't really a problem. To me his confidence and mental aspect is shot. It can't be good getting sent to the g-league where you're taking a bus to most cities and you're not really playing smart basketball. Plus the Raptors 905 are not exactly a good team, they are struggling. I feel Gradey should just be on the main team and learning from the garbage minutes he'll get and the practice scrimmages.

[Thaddy]

I think you guys are overrating G-League dominance. The problem is Gradey's game is not conducive to being a ball dominant scorer. He's an off the ball guy that is supposed to be making shots. So not putting up stats in the gleague isn't really a problem. To me his confidence and mental aspect is shot. It can't be good getting sent to the g-league where you're taking a bus to most cities and you're not really playing smart basketball. Plus the Raptors 905 are not exactly a good team, they are struggling. I feel Gradey should just be on the main team and learning from the garbage minutes he'll get and the practice scrimmages.

He's a scrub. His form doesn't work in the NBA it's too slingshotty. This is why he's having issues with NBA range.

[mathgeek]

I think you guys are overrating G-League dominance. The problem is Gradey's game is not conducive to being a ball dominant scorer. He's an off the ball guy that is supposed to be making shots. So not putting up stats in the gleague isn't really a problem. To me his confidence and mental aspect is shot. It can't be good getting sent to the g-league where you're taking a bus to most cities and you're not really playing smart basketball. Plus the Raptors 905 are not exactly a good team, they are struggling. I feel Gradey should just be on the main team and learning from the garbage minutes he'll get and the practice scrimmages.

He's a scrub. His form doesn't work in the NBA it's too slingshotty. This is why he's having issues with NBA range.

I don't see his form being like a slingshot, he has no hitch, his form is one motion, i think it's a little too relaxed up top at times, he should be extending and holding his arm up top a bit more. But what do i know the guy was one of the best shooters in high school and college. To me his struggles are purely confidence and due to the NBA speed.

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[aminiaturebuddha]

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Huh. Interesting. Good to see they have a plan for him, because this team will need him sooner or later. Basically as soon as they get rid of Gary, either at the trade deadline or by letting him go in the off-season.

[Brinbe]

The right plan.

[hype_2004]

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Everyone and their momma knows the kid is physically underdeveloped and gets bullied on defence affecting his confidence. He definitely needs to get stronger to bang with the big boys, once he can do that his shots will follow, trust me.

[Boogie!]

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Everyone and their momma knows the kid is physically underdeveloped and gets bullied on defence affecting his confidence. He definitely needs to get stronger to bang with the big boys, once he can do that his shots will follow, trust me.

He misses wide open 3s even in the gleague it has nothing to do with strength or conditioning… he’s not a **** big man he just needs to make open 3s and he’s not doing it.

[Boogie!]

Honestly dick being absolutely useless this season is not something I expected. Imagine he could actually shoot, how much better our spacing would be. Why is it that every team seems to have some lights out white shooter that was in drafted or a late late pick and ours is a complete lemon

[Chandan]

gradey in 2 weeks.

[shmoosicle]

Honestly dick being absolutely useless this season is not something I expected. Imagine he could actually shoot, how much better our spacing would be. Why is it that every team seems to have some lights out white shooter that was in drafted or a late late pick and ours is a complete lemon

Yeah I don't watch college ball but from everything I heard he was supposed to be a guaranteed decent shooter and from everything we've seen so far he isn't, so, very disappointing.

And not to go too far off topic but we dont even know if Koloko will ever play again so it sucks that we don't really get to see either contribute now.

[dTox]

They put him in a hyperbolic time chamber.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Let’s see the second half of the season but so far him, Jett Howard and JHS are bottom 3 out of the top 20 this draft class looking at production/flashes for me

[Kevin Willis]

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Everyone and their momma knows the kid is physically underdeveloped and gets bullied on defence affecting his confidence. He definitely needs to get stronger to bang with the big boys, once he can do that his shots will follow, trust me.

He misses wide open 3s even in the gleague it has nothing to do with strength or conditioning… he’s not a **** big man he just needs to make open 3s and he’s not doing it.

He may have issue with conditioning - doubt it - and strength to shoot the NBA 3 - most likely. It's probably mentally easier for him to do this work without every shot being judged in real games so they're shelving him. Maybe tell him to stop doing TV ads and things like that.

Something is off, you're right his main job is to make 3s and not hustle plays. Hustle plays are a bonus. The only thing we can do now is be patient.

[AreBe]

Come on Raptors- be like the Leafs, and declare your young kid a bust, trade them away, and watch them develop into a star elsewhere!

How about accepting that the kid is just a kid, needs time in the gym, and all will be ok.

[brownbobcat]

Come on Raptors- be like the Leafs, and declare your young kid a bust, trade them away, and watch them develop into a star elsewhere!

How about accepting that the kid is just a kid, needs time in the gym, and all will be ok.

At this point, they drafted who they drafted and dev/gym time is the only path forward.

I wouldn't go as far as saying there's nothing to worry about - there definitely is - but it's still too early to give up hope.

[tecumseh18]

Come on Raptors- be like the Leafs, and declare your young kid a bust, trade them away, and watch them develop into a star elsewhere!

I don't follow the Leafs closely enough to know who you're talking about. But my teenage son is into hockey, including fantasy leagues, so please tell me so I have something to talk with him about.