Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread

[KillMonger]

The Warriors have lost 3 straight and don't have any injuries that I can see, just missing Green. It looks like JI, Fultz, and Ingles are all game time decisions. The Warriors are favored +3.5. I kind of like Orlando here.

they haven't been playing well recently.....Klay has been absolute trash in his last few.....i expect the same....but knowing our luck? Everyone seems to get their shot back vs us.....everyone plays like their vintage self vs us.....every rookie plays out of their minds vs us....hopefully that doesn't happen

[basketballRob]

The Warriors have lost 3 straight and don't have any injuries that I can see, just missing Green. It looks like JI, Fultz, and Ingles are all game time decisions. The Warriors are favored +3.5. I kind of like Orlando here.

Isaac and Ingles have already been ruled out. Fultz is questionable.

Now Durant is out injured the game after we play them.

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[RookieStar]

The Warriors have lost 3 straight and don't have any injuries that I can see, just missing Green. It looks like JI, Fultz, and Ingles are all game time decisions. The Warriors are favored +3.5. I kind of like Orlando here.

they haven't been playing well recently.....Klay has been absolute trash in his last few.....i expect the same....but knowing our luck? Everyone seems to get their shot back vs us.....everyone plays like their vintage self vs us.....every rookie plays out of their minds vs us....hopefully that doesn't happen

Magic curse says it will sadly...

[KillMonger]

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[eyriq]

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Yeah, Paolo is killing it. We got one.

[RookieStar]

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His numbers are better than Melo

[pepe1991]

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His numbers are better than Melo

There are seval factors :
- Melo as sophmore was 20, Paolo is 21
- in 2003-04, Melo was 12th best scorer by PPG , Poalo isn't even in top 30 today
- despite Melo's eFG looking ugly, given context of time, he was still closer to league's average than Paolo is today to today's league average

I think there are lot of similarities, but most people view Melo now as "negative comp", ignoring he is one of guys who scored 28+ K points, was allstar 12 times and is HOF (soon to be).

In his second year he was best player on 49-33 team.
In his 3rd year, at age of 21, he was 8th best scorer (within 1 point of top 5), and probably was top 10-ish best player in a league.



I don't know what Paolo is, but he seems to be some cross between Melo, Boozer, Randle with clear Lebron's influence.

[cedric76]

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His numbers are better than Melo

His brain too

[KillMonger]

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[eyriq]

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Yikes. We definitely need an upgrade

[JoshuaPotter]

I see nothing wrong with wanting an upgrade from Harris role. But whom?

I have also said that we need to look for clear role players who exist within that role from the bench. Not someone we intend on being our starting SG / PG 7 years from now. I think Black / Suggs is clearly the backcourt of the future.

[cedric76]

I see nothing wrong with wanting an upgrade from Harris role. But whom?

I have also said that we need to look for clear role players who exist within that role from the bench. Not someone we intend on being our starting SG / PG 7 years from now. I think Black / Suggs is clearly the backcourt of the future.

Jett will be him

[JoshuaPotter]

I see nothing wrong with wanting an upgrade from Harris role. But whom?

I have also said that we need to look for clear role players who exist within that role from the bench. Not someone we intend on being our starting SG / PG 7 years from now. I think Black / Suggs is clearly the backcourt of the future.

Jett will be him

Jett is a lot of things. I am not sure the future "X" factor is one of them.

[richi_v25]

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6pt and 2 ast that actually impressed me, i thought it'd be lower coming from him definitely on the let's upgrade train, throw Okeke in there too.

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I remember arguing with people talking about how great Gary Harris was lol. People telling me he was a legitimate starter. Yeah… maybe 8 years ago in Denver.

Guy has been completely pedestrian this season. I honestly don’t know how much worse Jett could be defensively because offensively Gary just hasn’t been there.

[Knightro]

There are seval factors :
- Melo as sophmore was 20, Paolo is 21
- in 2003-04, Melo was 12th best scorer by PPG , Poalo isn't even in top 30 today
- despite Melo's eFG looking ugly, given context of time, he was still closer to league's average than Paolo is today to today's league average

I agree with pepe.

I am very optimistic about Banchero's future as an all-star and high end NBA scorer, but these sort of cross comparisons of stats without the context of the era of when the stats were accumulated aren't super useful.

The game is played so much faster with so many more three point attempts than it used to be that stats and overall scoring efficiencies are just significantly inflated now compared to early in Melo's career.

League average TS% in 04-05 was .529. It's now .580, ya know?

[jonbob17]

Is this anything?

We all know we tanked the last 4 games last season to hold off the “surging” Pacers and Wizards tanks. Prior to those 4 games we were 29-24. We started this season of 17-12.

Those 82 games the Magic were 46-36. We are in the middle of a bearish schedule, but we have been on a good pace for a long time now, and really with a lot of injuries over that span.

If we can go .500 the rest of the month we should get a chance to start accumulating wins come February.

[JoshuaPotter]

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I remember arguing with people talking about how great Gary Harris was lol. People telling me he was a legitimate starter. Yeah… maybe 8 years ago in Denver.

Guy has been completely pedestrian this season. I honestly don’t know how much worse Jett could be defensively because offensively Gary just hasn’t been there.

I'm on record saying that a Fultz + G. Harris backcourt last year was arguably only as good as Suggs / Cole last year. In other words you could start either and get the same result likely. Top 20-30 starting pair.

Fultz and G Harris have tumbled off a cliff. This is a level of right I did not expect. Suggs and Cole on the other hand. Cole has embraced his role and in my opinion is doing great while Suggs has had a 3 year leap of sorts.

[JoshuaPotter]

There are seval factors :
- Melo as sophmore was 20, Paolo is 21
- in 2003-04, Melo was 12th best scorer by PPG , Poalo isn't even in top 30 today
- despite Melo's eFG looking ugly, given context of time, he was still closer to league's average than Paolo is today to today's league average

I agree with pepe.

I am very optimistic about Banchero's future as an all-star and high end NBA scorer, but these sort of cross comparisons of stats without the context of the era of when the stats were accumulated aren't super useful.

The game is played so much faster with so many more three point attempts than it used to be that stats and overall scoring efficiencies are just significantly inflated now compared to early in Melo's career.

League average TS% in 04-05 was .529. It's now .580, ya know?

I would like to take a brief moment to state the obvious as well as kinda a cross check. Paulo is doing all this while being our best scorer, rebounder, and leading in assists.

I would have to go back in time and look up the stats. Carmelo lives rent free in my head as just a great scorer.

[jonbob17]

I remember arguing with people talking about how great Gary Harris was lol. People telling me he was a legitimate starter. Yeah… maybe 8 years ago in Denver.

Guy has been completely pedestrian this season. I honestly don’t know how much worse Jett could be defensively because offensively Gary just hasn’t been there.

I'm on record saying that a Fultz + G. Harris backcourt last year was arguably only as good as Suggs / Cole last year. In other words you could start either and get the same result likely. Top 20-30 starting pair.

Fultz and G Harris have tumbled off a cliff. This is a level of right I did not expect. Suggs and Cole on the other hand. Cole has embraced his role and in my opinion is doing great while Suggs has had a 3 year leap of sorts.

We are a fickle group. Harris was shooting 52% from 3 on 11/21.

Seriously though, he’s not a 43% 3 point shooter like he put up last year, and he’s living off his reputation on defense.

He’s not as bad as he has been lately, but he’s still just in the way of minutes that the young guys need. If Fultz ever finds his way back to the rotation, I hope AB isn’t losing his minutes to Harris,.