2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[sol537]

Who can we get to start at SG that puts us over the top to where we finally want to be? Somebody who can score at all 3 levels and can run the bench unit with our spacers Gimes/DD and defender Hart?

LaVine?

Donovan Mitchell?

What will we do with all these draft picks?

Find out on the next episode of 2023 NY Knicks !

Nobody. Booker's the only one who could get us where we want to go but he's not available. We can get a nice stop gap though.

Brogdon. Perfect stopgap 6th man and available in a trade right now. We shouldn’t wait or Thibs will run Brunson into the ground before the playoffs.

[KnicksGadfly]

Marc Stein says NY is not gonna go full-out to pursue Donovan

[DaGawd]

Marc Stein says NY is not gonna go full-out to pursue Donovan

good

[BowlRips]

Wasn’t a fan of the idea before but I’m thinking now that

Fournier and draft considerations for Brogdon makes a ton of sense.

Brogdon makes 22.5m and has another year on his deal. Becomes the salary filler for continuous soup. He’d fit in as a stabilizing force to the second unit, someone you can trust for those 10 crucial minutes Brunson sits in a playoff game.
The question to me is what is the draft considerations?
We made a deal with Portland last trade deadline and they took our first round pick for Josh Hart. Would we do that again?

Brunson
DDV
OG
Randle
iHart

Brogdon
Grimes
Hart
Achiuwa

[cgf]

Who can we get to start at SG that puts us over the top to where we finally want to be? Somebody who can score at all 3 levels and can run the bench unit with our spacers Gimes/DD and defender Hart?

LaVine?

Donovan Mitchell?

What will we do with all these draft picks?

Find out on the next episode of 2023 NY Knicks !

Nobody. Booker's the only one who could get us where we want to go but he's not available. We can get a nice stop gap though.

Brogdon. Perfect stopgap 6th man and available in a trade right now. We shouldn’t wait or Thibs will run Brunson into the ground before the playoffs.

Brogdon is an option as a stopgap, but inserting him into the starting lineup isn’t making us title contenders.

[cgf]

Wasn’t a fan of the idea before but I’m thinking now that

Fournier and draft considerations for Brogdon makes a ton of sense.

Brogdon makes 22.5m and has another year on his deal. Becomes the salary filler for continuous soup. He’d fit in as a stabilizing force to the second unit, someone you can trust for those 10 crucial minutes Brunson sits in a playoff game.
The question to me is what is the draft considerations?
We made a deal with Portland last trade deadline and they took our first round pick for Josh Hart. Would we do that again?

Brunson
DDV
OG
Randle
iHart

Brogdon
Grimes
Hart
Achiuwa

Brogdon didn’t want to come off the bench for a contender in Boston, doubt he wants to come off the bench for us. If we get Brogdon or Hield we’ll need to start them to keep them happy.

[thebuzzardman]

Wasn’t a fan of the idea before but I’m thinking now that

Fournier and draft considerations for Brogdon makes a ton of sense.

Brogdon makes 22.5m and has another year on his deal. Becomes the salary filler for continuous soup. He’d fit in as a stabilizing force to the second unit, someone you can trust for those 10 crucial minutes Brunson sits in a playoff game.
The question to me is what is the draft considerations?
We made a deal with Portland last trade deadline and they took our first round pick for Josh Hart. Would we do that again?

Brunson
DDV
OG
Randle
iHart

Brogdon
Grimes
Hart
Achiuwa

Brogdon didn’t want to come off the bench for a contender in Boston, doubt he wants to come off the bench for us. If we get Brogdon or Hield we’ll need to start them to keep them happy.

Is he starting for Portland?

[sol537]

Wasn’t a fan of the idea before but I’m thinking now that

Fournier and draft considerations for Brogdon makes a ton of sense.

Brogdon makes 22.5m and has another year on his deal. Becomes the salary filler for continuous soup. He’d fit in as a stabilizing force to the second unit, someone you can trust for those 10 crucial minutes Brunson sits in a playoff game.
The question to me is what is the draft considerations?
We made a deal with Portland last trade deadline and they took our first round pick for Josh Hart. Would we do that again?

Brunson
DDV
OG
Randle
iHart

Brogdon
Grimes
Hart
Achiuwa

Brogdon didn’t want to come off the bench for a contender in Boston, doubt he wants to come off the bench for us. If we get Brogdon or Hield we’ll need to start them to keep them happy.

He was a 6th man of the year… he’ll gladly come off the bench to get out of the pit that is Portland.

[spree2kawhi]

Wasn’t a fan of the idea before but I’m thinking now that

Fournier and draft considerations for Brogdon makes a ton of sense.

Brogdon makes 22.5m and has another year on his deal. Becomes the salary filler for continuous soup. He’d fit in as a stabilizing force to the second unit, someone you can trust for those 10 crucial minutes Brunson sits in a playoff game.
The question to me is what is the draft considerations?
We made a deal with Portland last trade deadline and they took our first round pick for Josh Hart. Would we do that again?

Brunson
DDV
OG
Randle
iHart

Brogdon
Grimes
Hart
Achiuwa

Brogdon is a lateral move. I don’t know… I’d trade Fournier for a higher impact player. We’re going to be a second round playoff team either way, so what’s the point?

How about Jerami Grant instead?

[spree2kawhi]

Brunson
OG
Grant
Randle
Mitch

[cgf]

Is he starting for Portland?

He's started 16 of 25 games for them.

He was a 6th man of the year… he’ll gladly come off the bench to get out of the pit that is Portland.

What would make you think that? He was 6MOTY and he complained about not starting the whole season, before demanding a trade.

[cgf]

Wasn’t a fan of the idea before but I’m thinking now that

Fournier and draft considerations for Brogdon makes a ton of sense.

Brogdon makes 22.5m and has another year on his deal. Becomes the salary filler for continuous soup. He’d fit in as a stabilizing force to the second unit, someone you can trust for those 10 crucial minutes Brunson sits in a playoff game.
The question to me is what is the draft considerations?
We made a deal with Portland last trade deadline and they took our first round pick for Josh Hart. Would we do that again?

Brunson
DDV
OG
Randle
iHart

Brogdon
Grimes
Hart
Achiuwa

Brogdon is a lateral move. I don’t know… I’d trade Fournier for a higher impact player. We’re going to be a second round playoff team either way, so what’s the point?

How about Jerami Grant instead?

The point is to give our core more support this season and to use Fournier's contract before it just expires and comes off the books. We're not going to a cap space team either way, so why let that salary slot go when we could use it instead?

It's not like even if we kept all of our picks we'd have enough roster spots for them. Have to spend them sooner or later

[cgf]

Give Deuce a chance, he can't shoot this **** all the time.

I'm rooting for Deuce, but I think we need someone a lot more dynamic on the ball than DDV or Grimes to be our best weapon when Brunson & Randle sit, if we want to get away with Deuce playing a regular 10-12mpg...even if Grimes was reinserted into the starting lineup and he just exploded.

[sol537]

Is he starting for Portland?

He's started 16 of 25 games for them.

He was a 6th man of the year… he’ll gladly come off the bench to get out of the pit that is Portland.

What would make you think that? He was 6MOTY and he complained about not starting the whole season, before demanding a trade.

If he’s dead set on starting, you start him and pull him after 5 mins then he comes back for Brunson later on and he finishes games if the matchups make sense. Not a big deal to get him to his 28-30 mins. Grimes, DDV and Hart will be squeezed on mins and McBride will play sparingly like before but it’s worth it to save Brunson’s body. Thibs doesn’t trust anyone. He would trust Brogdon.

[JayTWill]

New York in - Olynyk, Dunn
Utah in - Fournier, Sims, Utah Second Round Pick

Olynyk would add some scoring to the bench while spacing the floor and he is an excellent passer. He is averaging 5 assists in 22 minutes this year. I think we have enough good defenders to mask some of his limitations as a rim protector. Personally I think we should swap Grimes back into the starting lineup and bring DDV back to the bench. I think Grimes would perform better this time with more ball movement, more touches and more shots available. He would also benefit from not being asked to guard the toughest perimeter matchup this time no matter the size. DDV would provide a more experienced on ball player in comparison to Grimes and McBride. I also think DDV and Olynyk would be a great pairing offensively off the bench. Olynyk is excellent at hitting the cutter and he could help facilitate the offense. Olynyk would also reduce Precious' role allowing him to be used more situationally for defensive purposes.

Dunn would provide extra guard depth as a more experienced ball handler with good point of attack defense. He has posted solid shooting numbers over the last couple seasons in Utah and most importantly he would be someone that would probably be more content in the limited role available behind Brunson than some of the other names mentioned. We would not be forced back into a situation where we are struggling to find minutes and touches for a bunch of small guards that are used to playing 25-30+ minutes a game. Unfortunately he seems to have been moved into the starting line-up although it is in a limited role but Ainge may use that as a reason to raise his price.

It's not a sexy trade but I do believe it would improve our bench without costing much or committing long term to questionable fits. A top 8 of Brunson,Grimes, OG, Randle, iHart, DDV, Hart, and Olynyk with Dunn, McBride and Precious as your end of rotation guys is fine imo. The roster could be re-evaluated in the offseason and they can attempt to fill in whatever holes they see and they would still have maintained all of their draft capital for a bigger piece if necessary.

[stuporman]

I'm back on the Murray wagon and off the Clarkson wagon...it's about the %s....Brogdon and Jones are cool by me, too.

Bigs... Olynyk, Stewart, Bamba

Of course these have to come reasonably or it's not worth the cost, can't mess with the final piece package.

[KnixinSix]

Murray will ruin the ball movement we already with the first unit. If he's going to come off the bench, then maybe.

Murray will get quite a few minutes without Brunson as he will get around 12-15 as the 1 with Brunny on the bench. Then about 20 at the 2. That means 'only' 20 minutes with him at 2 and Brunson at the 1. Brunson can also play some off ball like he did with Luka which will save some wear on his body being thrown around inside. It can most definitely work.

"only 20 minutes" is almost half the game where offense would be handicapped and you wouldn't be able to make a superstar offer until the summer of 2026.

Handicapped is an awfully strong word considering Brunson's ability to play off ball and the fact that Murray is a 20 point scorer who is a whole lot more efficient than RJ Barrett at a 45-46% FG and 38% from 3.

You make it seem like this guy is Elfrid Peyton lol.

Yesterday was a glimpse into what improved with the addition of OG and what we still need after losing IQ/RJ.

Murray is a bonafide scorer who is not elite but he isn't a super inefficient volume chucker either. He would be a bigtime improvement over RJboth offensively and defensively and while not as pure a shooter as IQ , he is a more dynamic scorer than IQ is.

In terms of possibility , I think there is a legit chance for it to happen...I think Atlanta wants cap relief and don't like their current roster construction. Can we expand the trade? Apparently they want out from Capela too....

Grimes (2.4M), Fournier (18M), Robinson (15M), Ryan Aradiciano (2.5M), and 3FRPs for Clint Capela (20.6M) and Murray (18.2M)

Atlanta gets series salary cap relief, better contracts and defenders in Mitchell Robinson and Grimes, and 3FRPs. We get a Center to pair with Hartenstein that can score better than Robinson could. And a dynamic scorer and defender combo guard that would play next to Brunson.

Rotation (Minutes):

C I-Hart (24), Capela (24)
PF Randle (34), OG (10), Precious (4)
SF OG (23), Hart(20), Precious (5)
SG Murray (18), DDV (20), Hart (10)
PG Brunson (34), Murray (12), DDV (2)

Either of these guys are flippable in the offseason and Capela becomes an expring next year so he would have value should we want to trade him as well.

[sol537]

Murray will get quite a few minutes without Brunson as he will get around 12-15 as the 1 with Brunny on the bench. Then about 20 at the 2. That means 'only' 20 minutes with him at 2 and Brunson at the 1. Brunson can also play some off ball like he did with Luka which will save some wear on his body being thrown around inside. It can most definitely work.

"only 20 minutes" is almost half the game where offense would be handicapped and you wouldn't be able to make a superstar offer until the summer of 2026.

Handicapped is an awfully strong word considering Brunson's ability to play off ball and the fact that Murray is a 20 point scorer who is a whole lot more efficient than RJ Barrett at a 45-46% FG and 38% from 3.

You make it seem like this guy is Elfrid Peyton lol.

Yesterday was a glimpse into what improved with the addition of OG and what we still need after losing IQ/RJ.

Murray is a bonafide scorer who is not elite but he isn't a super inefficient volume chucker either. He would be a bigtime improvement over RJboth offensively and defensively and while not as pure a shooter as IQ , he is a more dynamic scorer than IQ is.

Murray’s addition to Atlanta made them worse as he didn’t pair well with Tre… why would it be any different with the Knicks? Please elaborate… I’m honestly curious about how it could work better here.

[stuporman]

"only 20 minutes" is almost half the game where offense would be handicapped and you wouldn't be able to make a superstar offer until the summer of 2026.

Handicapped is an awfully strong word considering Brunson's ability to play off ball and the fact that Murray is a 20 point scorer who is a whole lot more efficient than RJ Barrett at a 45-46% FG and 38% from 3.

You make it seem like this guy is Elfrid Peyton lol.

Yesterday was a glimpse into what improved with the addition of OG and what we still need after losing IQ/RJ.

Murray is a bonafide scorer who is not elite but he isn't a super inefficient volume chucker either. He would be a bigtime improvement over RJboth offensively and defensively and while not as pure a shooter as IQ , he is a more dynamic scorer than IQ is.

Murray’s addition to Atlanta made them worse as he didn’t pair well with Tre… why would it be any different with the Knicks? Please elaborate… I’m honestly curious about how it could work better here.

To be fair it isn't really the back court that is the problem in ATL, it is the front court. I think the culture in NY, I can't believe we get to say this now, would help him.

Although, it has to be the right call to turn him around or the salary size and length of his contract makes it a lingering issue.

[cgf]

Murray will get quite a few minutes without Brunson as he will get around 12-15 as the 1 with Brunny on the bench. Then about 20 at the 2. That means 'only' 20 minutes with him at 2 and Brunson at the 1. Brunson can also play some off ball like he did with Luka which will save some wear on his body being thrown around inside. It can most definitely work.

"only 20 minutes" is almost half the game where offense would be handicapped and you wouldn't be able to make a superstar offer until the summer of 2026.

Handicapped is an awfully strong word considering Brunson's ability to play off ball and the fact that Murray is a 20 point scorer who is a whole lot more efficient than RJ Barrett at a 45-46% FG and 38% from 3.

You make it seem like this guy is Elfrid Peyton lol.

Yesterday was a glimpse into what improved with the addition of OG and what we still need after losing IQ/RJ.

Murray is a bonafide scorer who is not elite but he isn't a super inefficient volume chucker either. He would be a bigtime improvement over RJboth offensively and defensively and while not as pure a shooter as IQ , he is a more dynamic scorer than IQ is.

Are you sure you're not mixing Dejounte Murray up with someone else? An efficient two-way guard would be awesome, but even with him shooting 4% above his career average from 3, his efficiency is still well be league average. He might not be Elf, but prior to this season he has been almost exactly as bad as RJ

Dejounte Murray TS%:
55.9 54.0 53.3 50.9 52.4 48.5 50.3; career 52.6

RJ Barrett TS%:
53.8 53.1 51.1 53.5 47.9, career 51.9

And the defensive "upgrade" would be similarly negligible. The main difference between Murray and RJ is that Murray is a much better playmaker, but both are really inefficient scorers and meh defenders.