Official Trade Thread Part XLV

[nate33]

If we trade Gafford we will just end up trying to find someone similar to replace him. I don't see the point.

I am also not interested in trading Kispert. I think his off ball game will be more valuable as the team improves.

I like Gafford, but my thinking on him is that he isn't really good enough to be a starter on a good team, and his next contract is likely to be too expensive for him to be a backup behind the center-of-the-future that we draft in the upcoming years. So with that in mind, I'm open to trading him if it gets us a back a good pick/prospect. If we could package Gafford with Tyus and get back a FRP in the teens, I'd probably pull the trigger.

That proposal by NYG is lousy though. We all know that Wizards pick isn't going to convey so Knicks fans need to stop acting like it's some big prize.

I'm with you on Kispert. If he is traded, I think he has enough value to get back a FRP on his own, or at least return a young prospect who is also on a rookie deal, like maybe Kuminga or Aldama. And if we can't trade him for that kind of value, I'm perfectly fine keeping him and resigning him to a market value contract that descends - similar to Avdija's, only probably a bit smaller.

[tontoz]

At this point I am open to the possibility of trading Kuzma. He is so shot happy I think it will hinder the development of the young guys going forward.

[nate33]

At this point I am open to the possibility of trading Kuzma. He is so shot happy I think it will hinder the development of the young guys going forward.

I've always been open to the possibility of trading him. My feeling on Kuzma is that, because of the nature of his contract, I don't expect his value to depreciate any time soon. If we don't get a really good offer now, I'm content to wait until a better offer comes along.

The guy to shop most aggressively right now is Tyus Jones. He has been playing extremely well lately and I don't really want to be stuck paying him big money next offseason.

[tontoz]

At this point I am open to the possibility of trading Kuzma. He is so shot happy I think it will hinder the development of the young guys going forward.

I've always been open to the possibility of trading him. My feeling on Kuzma is that, because of the nature of his contract, I don't expect his value to depreciate any time soon. If we don't get a really good offer now, I'm content to wait until a better offer comes along.

The guy to shop most aggressively right now is Tyus Jones. He has been playing extremely well lately and I don't really want to be stuck paying him big money next offseason.

Tyus is a goner for sure but I wasn't really thinking about trading Kuzma this year. Now i think he is getting carried away with the freedom he has. He's taken 50 shots in the last two games.

[Kanyewest]

It’s the combination of getting all of those picks wrong. Mobley and Suggs were in the conversation for #1. Plenty of people out there were expressing skepticism about Cunningham. He was very mediocre at OK State.

Ivey was mocked top 5, but the Kings made the ballsy move to pass and benefited significantly. Detroit just has no idea how to evaluate players. Evidence by them picking up busts like Wiseman and Bagley.

And yet we were all told on here, for years and years, that we needed a GM like Troy Weaver.

That Weaver knew talent. That he had Thunder pedigree. That he was from DC.

While Weaver hasn't turned it around, I would say the franchise is still reeling from the previous regime. The Blake Griffin trade not only lead to the Pistons trading Tobias Harris, but the first round pick that was used in a trade to acquire SGA. Taking Luke Kenard over Donovan Mitchell.

Although yeah Weaver talent evaluation may be worse. He ended up taking Killian Hayes over Halliburton which turned out to be worse than taking Deni over Halliburton.

[Frichuela]

At this point I am open to the possibility of trading Kuzma. He is so shot happy I think it will hinder the development of the young guys going forward.

I've always been open to the possibility of trading him. My feeling on Kuzma is that, because of the nature of his contract, I don't expect his value to depreciate any time soon. If we don't get a really good offer now, I'm content to wait until a better offer comes along.

The guy to shop most aggressively right now is Tyus Jones. He has been playing extremely well lately and I don't really want to be stuck paying him big money next offseason.

Spit balling a bit, this is a trade proposal I'd consider a good offer for Kuzma at the trade deadline:

WAS gets Jarace Walker, IND 1st 2024 (#19 right now), DEN 1st 2025, fodder from Orlando (e.g. Gary Harris) to make salaries match.
IND gets Kuzma
ORL gets Hield

IND get their starting PF and ORL gets much needed shooting.

This trade would be ideally combined with:

A) trading Tyus Jones to the highest bidder (e.g. Philly for their 2026 1st from OKC, HOU or LAC).
B) trading Delon + Gallo to the Knicks for our own 1st back, so we get that monkey of our backs.
c) and most importantly, trading Kispert to MEM for Aldama.

2024-25 Wiz roster -assuming we pick #6 (Tankathon simulation) and #19 at the 2024 draft.

Poole/Sheppard (#6)/Butler
Bilal/Shamet/Rollins
Deni/ FA vet
Aldama/Walker
Gafford/Almansa (#19)/Vukcevic

Plus all of our picks, DEN 2025 1st, 2026 1st from OKC, HOU or LAC, PHO pick swaps, GS 2030 1st, and all those future 2nd rounders.

This is a young roster with better length and defensive capabilities that the current dumpster fire of a team. I am also assuming Poole remains untradeable ...so we are stuck with him for the foreseeable future.

I would obviously get rid of Wes in the offseason and install and HC that has the gravitas to make the team play hard: move the ball offensively and exert effort defensively. I would also contemplate signing in the offseason a FA vet (probably a wing) with a defensive hard nosed attitude.

[Frichuela]

Other trade proposals that I'd consider for Kuzma include:

*OKC for Wallace + UTA 1st (top-10 protected 2024 & 2025 and top 8 in 2026) + fodder (Bertans). If Wallace is off the table for OKC, I'd settle on Ousmane Dieng plus an additional late 1st (e.g. 2024 LAC 1st).

* DET and ORL, where we get Ivey + ORL 2024 1st, ORL gets Bogdanovic and DET gets Kuzma.

* LAL, where we get Reaves+Hachimura and we send Kuzma. I don't think this is a trade I'd do if I was the LAL but -rumor has it- Reaves and the LAL HC have recently disagreed publicly...

[NatP4]

I would be more focused on trying to creatively dump Poole at the deadline to give Davis and Butler more opportunities in the 2nd half.

Sell off all of Jones, Wright, and Gallo. Guys like Jones went for 4-5 2nd round picks at last years deadline. Can easily trade a bundle of 2nds to jump into the mid to late 1st.

Kuzma and Gafford are solid culture guys IMO. Hang onto them and shop them at the next deadline. Same goes for Kispert who probably could return a 1st. Obviously throw out a Kuzma+Wright for Lively+filler proposal for the hell of it: Work to get to this in the 2nd half of season:

Butler (soon to be Sheppard/Topic)
Davis Kispert
Avdija Coulibaly
Kuzma Couliably
Gafford Muscala (soon to be Almansa)

[Frichuela]

I would be more focused on trying to creatively dump Poole at the deadline to give Davis and Butler more opportunities in the 2nd half.

Sell off all of Jones, Wright, and Gallo. Guys like Jones went for 4-5 2nd round picks at last years deadline. Can easily trade a bundle of 2nds to jump into the mid to late 1st.

Kuzma and Gafford are solid culture guys IMO. Hang onto them and shop them at the next deadline. Same goes for Kispert who probably could return a 1st. Work to get to this in the 2nd half of season:

Butler (soon to be Sheppard/Topic)
Davis Kispert
Avdija Coulibaly
Kuzma Couliably
Gafford Muscala (soon to be Almansa)

I see your thinking but I doubt there are any suitors for Poole out there...any insights about who could be an interested party?

[nate33]

I would be more focused on trying to creatively dump Poole at the deadline to give Davis and Butler more opportunities in the 2nd half.

Sell off all of Jones, Wright, and Gallo. Guys like Jones went for 4-5 2nd round picks at last years deadline. Can easily trade a bundle of 2nds to jump into the mid to late 1st.

Kuzma and Gafford are solid culture guys IMO. Hang onto them and shop them at the next deadline. Same goes for Kispert who probably could return a 1st. Work to get to this in the 2nd half of season:

Butler (soon to be Sheppard/Topic)
Davis Kispert
Avdija Coulibaly
Kuzma Couliably
Gafford Muscala (soon to be Almansa)

Jordan Poole is arguably the worst contract in the league. At the very least, he is on a short list including: Beal, Ball, Lavine, Simmons and Collins. Trying to move him now would be the ultimate sell-low move. We really don't have much choice, we need to be patient with Poole and he'll hopefully play himself into being a neutral value contract instead of a negative one.

The rest of your offseason is fine with me. Move Tyus for a first (directly or indirectly) and try and get anything you can for Wright and Gallo. I don't see Davis at starting SG anytime soon, though.

[nate33]

Other trade proposals that I'd consider for Kuzma include:

*OKC for Wallace + UTA 1st (top-10 protected 2024 & 2025 and top 8 in 2026) + fodder (Bertans). If Wallace is off the table for OKC, I'd settle on Ousmane Dieng plus an additional late 1st (e.g. 2024 LAC 1st).

* DET and ORL, where we get Ivey + ORL 2024 1st, ORL gets Bogdanovic and DET gets Kuzma.

* LAL, where we get Reaves+Hachimura and we send Kuzma. I don't think this is a trade I'd do if I was the LAL but -rumor has it- Reaves and the LAL HC have recently disagreed publicly...

Yes, those are the type of Kuzma deals that I'm talking about. If we get a package like that, then we have to take it. And if Kuzma is gone, then it makes sense to trade Kispert for Aldama.

I don't have much interest in Reaves though. I think he is a little overrated.

[NatP4]

Meh. Poole still puts up 21&5. Seems like one of those players that you could move to a contending team, let him play a reduced role as a microwave scorer off the bench.

We traded Westbrook to the Lakers for a haul of useful assets. Both of the LA teams could have interest. Maybe young teams like Orlando or NOP that need a scoring punch and a veteran that has played in big playoff games.

Even if we have to add in a 2nd round pick or two and take back a bad contract, I would be interested, as long as the bad contract coming back is a guy that gets out of the way of the development of young players.

[nate33]

Meh. Poole still puts up 21&5. Seems like one of those players that you could move to a contending team, let him play a reduced role as a microwave scorer off the bench.

Not at $30M a year.

We traded Westbrook to the Lakers for a haul of useful assets. Both of the LA teams could have interest. Maybe young teams like Orlando or NOP that need a scoring punch and a veteran that has played in big playoff games.

Westbrook was averaging a triple double and helped carry a really bad team into the playoffs. Say what you will about his efficiency, but the guy is a force to be reckoned with, and that was his last good season.

Even if we have to add in a 2nd round pick or two and take back a bad contract, I would be interested, as long as the bad contract coming back is a guy that gets out of the way of the development of young players.

I just don't see a market. I cannot think of a team who would pay Poole $30M a year to be an inefficient chucker with terrible defense. A team would be much better off spending less money in free agency on a guy like Buddy Hield, Malik Monk or Kelly Oubre.

[NatP4]

I’m not so sure. Would you trade Poole, Baldwin, Rollins and a future 2nd for CP3?

I don’t think this is rock bottom for Poole, last year was. Off the court/locker room issues, terrible regular season and playoffs (on national TV). He could string together a few flashy performances before the trade deadline and get some middling playoff team to bite IMO.

Some kind of 3 team deal, or a team like Orlando that plays great defense but lacks shot creation/scoring. Maybe something centered around Jonathan Isaac. It wouldn’t be all that different from the deal we made to acquire Porzingis whenever he was injury prone/off the court issues, not a very good player on an awful contract.

Something like Isaac+Harris for Poole+2nd round pick. Gets Poole far away from the development of young players, and Isaac could get healthy and return something at next deadline.

[NatP4]

If you jump over to the Orlando board, Poole (the 2021-2022 version) is exactly the type of player they need.

Just throwing out ideas here, and stating that I would be interested in unloading Poole even if it took some assets. He’s detrimental to the development of young players/culture.

[nate33]

I’m not so sure. Would you trade Poole, Baldwin, Rollins and a future 2nd for CP3?

I don’t think this is rock bottom for Poole, last year was. Off the court/locker room issues, terrible regular season and playoffs (on national TV). He could string together a few flashy performances before the trade deadline and get some middling playoff team to bite IMO.

Some kind of 3 team deal, or a team like Orlando that plays great defense but lacks shot creation/scoring. Maybe something centered around Jonathan Isaac. It wouldn’t be all that different from the deal we made to acquire Porzingis whenever he was injury prone/off the court issues, not a very good player on an awful contract.

Something like Isaac+Harris for Poole+2nd round pick. Gets Poole far away from the development of young players, and Isaac could get healthy and return something at next deadline.

If Poole can get back to his 2021-22 form, then, yeah, he can be moved. It's why I was saying that this current moment would be a "sell low" moment. I didn't mean to imply that he was permanently immovable.

He has been playing a bit better lately, but not THAT much better. One can always hope.

[FAH1223]

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I'd take ClutchPoints with a huge grain of salt.

No one is offering multiple 1s for Kuz

[nate33]

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I'd take ClutchPoints with a huge grain of salt.

No one is offering multiple 1s for Kuz

I also object to the squishy language in the quote. "Is expected to be made available" is a pretty nebulous phrase. Expected by who? If it's by anyone outside of the Wizards organization, then it's meaningless. It's just saying that some other random team official who isn't in position to know anything, is just speculating on the Wizards' situation and guessing that the Wizards might make Kuzma available. That's not actually news.

[nate33]

No one is offering multiple 1s for Kuz

I do think it's within the realm of possibility that Kuzma is worth two future 1sts. They would probably be first round picks in the distant future, and we might have to take back some salary, but it's certainly plausible.

If I was Miami, I'd strongly consider Duncan Robinson plus the 2028 and 2030 picks for Kuzma.

I could see OKC trading Bertans and two picks for Kuzma.

[Jkam31]

Kings fan here how is Kuzma defense