Fake Trade Thread #5

[SWedd523]

Can we at least agree that if we move Terry for expirings / non-primary scorers that we are going to get worse, not better? Terry is not stealing productivity from anyone else on this roster that is ready to contribute. We are losing anyway, yes, but Terry actually has NBA ready skills that few others on the roster actually have.

With Melo out, there is no one on this roster that can come close to carrying the scoring load like Terry has. Shipping him out is a tank move, not a move to improve our performance in the short term.

I mean I honestly don't think Terry or Not-Terry moves the needle very much one direction or the other.

Are we "worse"? Eh probably.

Is the W/L affected? Maybe but probably not by more than a game or so?

I guess I'm left wondering what the point is of moving guys with useful skillsets. We could realistically lose Miles this summer and I think everyone wants to move Gordo. We are already at a talent deficit, moving our most talented guys does not seem to be to be a productive step forward towards becoming competitive unless we're just going full tank.

When the alternative is to keep running things back and hoping for a fully healthy season that leads to 40ish wins and the play-in?

Yes, yes I absolutely want to move on.

At some point, decisions need to be made. We're quickly approaching a half decade into the Melo Era with nothing but trash to show for it.

Bad teams don't get better running it back year over year. Ask the Crash era or the Kemba era.

[yosemiteben]

I mean I honestly don't think Terry or Not-Terry moves the needle very much one direction or the other.

Are we "worse"? Eh probably.

Is the W/L affected? Maybe but probably not by more than a game or so?

I guess I'm left wondering what the point is of moving guys with useful skillsets. We could realistically lose Miles this summer and I think everyone wants to move Gordo. We are already at a talent deficit, moving our most talented guys does not seem to be to be a productive step forward towards becoming competitive unless we're just going full tank.

When the alternative is to keep running things back and hoping for a fully healthy season that leads to 40ish wins and the play-in?

Yes, yes I absolutely want to move on.

At some point, decisions need to be made. We're quickly approaching a half decade into the Melo Era with nothing but trash to show for it.

Bad teams don't get better running it back year over year. Ask the Crash era or the Kemba era.

It is possible to keep Terry and also not just run it back though, right? I don't disagree with making changes, I just don't get why dumping our most productive asset is a good start.

[fatlever]

terry has trade value, solid contract, career year, would be great on a playoff team needing a scorer
we need to start building around our young core to maximize fit, leadership, culture
ideally we move terry and try find a role player that's a better fit and pick

going in to next year i'm 100% ok if terry, hayward, miles, pj, nick richards are all traded or not resigned. that core is not the answer. gut it, build smarter around melo, miller, mark + cody, nick jr + 2024 1st
move on from thor, bryce, bouk
don't resign ish, frank

[yosemiteben]

My ideal path to improving this team would not be gutting the roster. I see our biggest issue currently as a depth issue and talent issue, and I don't see how further depleting our depth and reducing the talent level of the team makes a ton of sense.

Are you wanting a prolonged tank?

[fatlever]

My ideal path to improving this team would not be gutting the roster. I see our biggest issue currently as a depth issue and talent issue, and I don't see how further depleting our depth and reducing the talent level of the team makes a ton of sense.

Are you wanting a prolonged tank?

these players are not the answer. it's a collection of aimless immature losers. we need legit role players and actual adults around our youth. i don't want to replace our roster with more projects. i want vet role players, leaders. we need tough, strong, defenders and 3pt shooting. we need vocal vets.

[SWedd523]

I guess I'm left wondering what the point is of moving guys with useful skillsets. We could realistically lose Miles this summer and I think everyone wants to move Gordo. We are already at a talent deficit, moving our most talented guys does not seem to be to be a productive step forward towards becoming competitive unless we're just going full tank.

When the alternative is to keep running things back and hoping for a fully healthy season that leads to 40ish wins and the play-in?

Yes, yes I absolutely want to move on.

At some point, decisions need to be made. We're quickly approaching a half decade into the Melo Era with nothing but trash to show for it.

Bad teams don't get better running it back year over year. Ask the Crash era or the Kemba era.

It is possible to keep Terry and also not just run it back though, right? I don't disagree with making changes, I just don't get why dumping our most productive asset is a good start.

Sure it's possible. it would likely require him taking a seriously diminished role as a 6th man which a) he might not be very excited about and b) likely isn't the best move in terms of asset management

Priority 1 is far away to trade Gordo before the deadline. Trading Terry is more of a "Needs to happen but only if we get fair value" situation

I'm not delaying a rebuild because of Terry Rozier

[Braggins]

I'm not a fan of Jaden Ivey and would normally not be interesting in trading for him, but I don't want to keep Miles around long term and losing him for nothing in free agency would be terrible. I also kind of assume that there aren't many teams really willing to give up much value for Miles, so maybe something like a Miles for Ivey swap is about the best they could hope for? He reminds me of Monta Ellis in a not good way, but I'm not sure what they can realistically get for Miles at this point. Id hope they could do better, but idk.

The salaries match and there is at least some logic to it, even if I'm having trouble even talking myself into it. Ivey's fit with LaMelo is at least interesting and it would give them a downhill attacking option that could maybe save LaMelo's ankles if he panned out. Idk, this situation seems pretty bleak. Maybe better spacing and a fast pace could give Ivey an opportunity to develop?

[SWedd523]

Are you wanting a prolonged tank?

The team is tanking whether or not you want to admit it or call it that.

It's unintentional. It's a result of mismanagement and poor leadership from the head coach down to the vet players, but don't delude yourself. The team is tanking.

You can either admit failure and start over, or keep praying this Merry band of misfits will magically figure out how to not suck.

Maybe next year

[fatlever]

from plowright pod today... miles to lakers for prince and a protected future 1st several years from now. lakers get a rental playoff upgrade for price of a distant 1st

[Rich4114]

from plowright pod today... miles to lakers for prince and a protected future 1st several years from now. lakers get a rental playoff upgrade for price of a distant 1st

A future 1st for when the Lakers might be bad is enticing, but that doesn't really do anything for us. Trading Miles makes little sense since we picked up his QO as we are the only team who can retain his bird rights and go into cap space to re-sign him. His salary is also only $8m or so, which means the type of player we'd get back is a player like Prince.

[yosemiteben]

Are you wanting a prolonged tank?

The team is tanking whether or not you want to admit it or call it that.

It's unintentional. It's a result of mismanagement and poor leadership from the head coach down to the vet players, but don't delude yourself. The team is tanking.

You can either admit failure and start over, or keep praying this Merry band of misfits will magically figure out how to not suck.

Maybe next year

The team is young, unbalanced, and in need of depth. But we don't need to start from square one, and if we're full on tanking I could be convinced to go ahead and move Melo too. What's the point in completely dumping all vet talent just as we kick off his max deal? We're not going to have cap space to build a team through FA so we're going to be gaming to be bad and relying on draft hits and MLE talent for the next few years.

I just don't see that as a promising way to rebuild. We're better off keeping Terry and plugging holes around him, then trading him once this team has more balance and is more stable.

[yosemiteben]

My ideal path to improving this team would not be gutting the roster. I see our biggest issue currently as a depth issue and talent issue, and I don't see how further depleting our depth and reducing the talent level of the team makes a ton of sense.

Are you wanting a prolonged tank?

these players are not the answer. it's a collection of aimless immature losers. we need legit role players and actual adults around our youth. i don't want to replace our roster with more projects. i want vet role players, leaders. we need tough, strong, defenders and 3pt shooting. we need vocal vets.

And your plan to accomplish that is to dump 13 of our rostered players and then...just hope whoever we find to replace damn near 70% of the roster is better? That seems like a completely unrealistic path forward.

[amcoolio]

Can we at least agree that if we move Terry for expirings / non-primary scorers that we are going to get worse, not better?

The answer is...no. I can't agree on that. You just saw it last night, we hung with Denver without Terry. I honestly think if you replaced Terry with Dennis Smith Jr. the Hornets would be a better team. Again, Terry is on pace for having one of the worst defensive seasons in NBA history.... Its Byron Mullens level bad.

Please replace all Terry Rozier names in this thread with Kyle Kuzma and see if you have the same reaction. That is what Terry is. A Kyle Kuzma level player. I think if he had any sort of value he would have been traded by now. Surely Mitch isn't this braindead to just hope that we get healthy and all of a sudden are a good team.

[luciano-davidwesley]

terry has trade value, solid contract, career year, would be great on a playoff team needing a scorer
we need to start building around our young core to maximize fit, leadership, culture
ideally we move terry and try find a role player that's a better fit and pick

going in to next year i'm 100% ok if terry, hayward, miles, pj, nick richards are all traded or not resigned. that core is not the answer. gut it, build smarter around melo, miller, mark + cody, nick jr + 2024 1st
move on from thor, bryce, bouk
don't resign ish, frank

Nailed it to a man.

I also feel that Rozier and Hayward are probably among the worst veteran leaders/influences in any current group of NBA veterans which is a big part of the problem.

Terry seems quite immature and Gordon doesn't give a ****, his priorities in life are clearly not basketball. That's fine, I'm not living for work either these days, but let some other team pay him to miss games and generally give zero f*cks.

[JustBuzzin]

Can we at least agree that if we move Terry for expirings / non-primary scorers that we are going to get worse, not better? Terry is not stealing productivity from anyone else on this roster that is ready to contribute. We are losing anyway, yes, but Terry actually has NBA ready skills that few others on the roster actually have.

With Melo out, there is no one on this roster that can come close to carrying the scoring load like Terry has. Shipping him out is a tank move, not a move to improve our performance in the short term.

PJ was playing great until Bridges came back.

When someone is out the next player will step up. Rozier is our best scorer because the ball is in his hands a lot. Maybe if we move the ball around more it can result in more wins.

Miller needs to improve his ball handling but that will be hard to prove when we aren't putting him in those positions during the game. We basically tell him to go spot up and catch n shoot.

I'm not saying run the offense through Miller. He's not ready to be the go to guy clearly. I'm saying trade Rozier and open up some more opportunities for our other players.

Nick Smith Jr who many seem to be high on can step in the Rozier role. We simply need to start focusing on our young players. Let Rozier/Hayward go play for a contender. We need to start playing our younger players it's the only way they will get better.

[yosemiteben]

Can we at least agree that if we move Terry for expirings / non-primary scorers that we are going to get worse, not better?

The answer is...no. I can't agree on that. You just saw it last night, we hung with Denver without Terry.

You referring to the game where we ended Q3 down 23?

Where is the scoring coming from? Do you think someone one this roster is capable of generating offense but just isn't because of Terry? Who exactly?

Why would we move Terry to open up time for NSJ, who has a best case scenario that's probably close to...what Terry is now?

I'm very confused as to why we suck and people point to our current best player and are like "it's his fault, let's trade him and we'll get better.". What if we actually got a competent PG so Terry doesn't have to be both facilitator and primary scorer at the same time?

[JustBuzzin]

Can we at least agree that if we move Terry for expirings / non-primary scorers that we are going to get worse, not better?

The answer is...no. I can't agree on that. You just saw it last night, we hung with Denver without Terry.

You referring to the game where we ended Q3 down 23?

Where is the scoring coming from? Do you think someone one this roster is capable of generating offense but just isn't because of Terry? Who exactly?

Why would we move Terry to open up time for NSJ, who has a best case scenario that's probably close to...what Terry is now?

I'm very confused as to why we suck and people point to our current best player and are like "it's his fault, let's trade him and we'll get better.". What if we actually got a competent PG so Terry doesn't have to be both facilitator and primary scorer at the same time?

He's not our best player.

You can argue Miller is our current best player if we talking about the healthy players.

It's Miller who is getting coaches like Eric Spoelestra attention after games. It's guys like KD and Beal praising Miller during and after the games.

Rozier is a good player, but he's not our best player. I see a guy who can score the basketball and not much else. Miller is a 2 way players. Even Bridges is better than Rozier imo.

[luciano-davidwesley]

Can we at least agree that if we move Terry for expirings / non-primary scorers that we are going to get worse, not better?

The answer is...no. I can't agree on that. You just saw it last night, we hung with Denver without Terry.

You referring to the game where we ended Q3 down 23?

Why would we move Terry to open up time for NSJ, who has a best case scenario that's probably close to...what Terry is now?

I think NSJr projects to be a significantly more efficient shooter and scorer than Terry.

Freshman rookie NS Jr is lightyears ahead of sophomore rookie Rozier as a shooter in particular.

[Liver_Pooty]

The Rozier bashing on here is **** absurd. Never seen anything like it.

[SWedd523]

The Rozier bashing on here is **** absurd. Never seen anything like it.

Wrong hill to die on, broski