Celts Get Caught in a Thunderstorm! Loss vs OKC 1/2/24

[Fierce1]

JB was just off in this game.

One bad game does not erase the good JB did in December.

It was just OKC's night.

Made all the big shots in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

OKC is good, but they're not this good.

Reminds me of the Cs losing to the Magic in the in-season tournament.

It was just Golden State tonight, it was just Miami's night it was just Toronto's night it was just Lakers night it was just a playing tournament night all these freaking excuses for what should be the most talented team in the league.
You can't

hold the Celtics to lower expectations you hold them to high expectations and there are no excuses if they are going to win the championship they need to be a diamond team and they continue to implode in these situations.

Celts are expected to lose around 17 to 18 games this season.

Come on man, this is just their 7th loss.

Cs still on pace for 65 wins.

[GoGreen]

Awful, terrible game from Jrue.

Otherwise, not sure what to make of this one. Didn't think the Cs played horrible, but they definitely didn't turn it on until later, which was the frustrating thing about this game and this team in general.

Can't win em all, onto the next and all that, but truth be told I don't think we really know what this team is made of until the post season. That warriors game still leaves me concerned.

[165bows]

If you are confident with Joe in a tight playoff series than that's on you.. Sick and tired of people saying I am supposed to like and/or be confident with Joe. I am not.. So many **** sheep...

Well I have to say I don’t think I’ve ever seen a coach get bashed so much with so little actual analysis

This team has already relied on Tatum and Brown performing to a high level. Our last two playoff shortcomings have been off the back of one of them not playing to their standard.

It happened under Ime and last season under Joe.

We are undefeated at home, have lost just 7 games on the road and all the losses have been very close yet the talk is like we've got some horrific dude coaching us to a .500 record.

Funny because I think Joe gets too much analysis based on regular season accomplishments. This is a ridiculously talented roster who should easily obtain a top regular season record. Come playoffs everything gets magnified. We will see then.

I mean, it’s very good - how good is it compared to the elite teams of the past? There is no top-10 or 20 player, no Lebron, Curry, Duncan. It’s probably better than the famed ‘04 pistons team but they at least had one area where they were elite in, this team is very deep across the rotation and good in all areas but not high level elite at anything imo, at least in an all time sense like most title winners are.

[TheSheriff]

Well I have to say I don’t think I’ve ever seen a coach get bashed so much with so little actual analysis

This team has already relied on Tatum and Brown performing to a high level. Our last two playoff shortcomings have been off the back of one of them not playing to their standard.

It happened under Ime and last season under Joe.

We are undefeated at home, have lost just 7 games on the road and all the losses have been very close yet the talk is like we've got some horrific dude coaching us to a .500 record.

Funny because I think Joe gets too much analysis based on regular season accomplishments. This is a ridiculously talented roster who should easily obtain a top regular season record. Come playoffs everything gets magnified. We will see then.

I mean, it’s very good - how good is it compared to the elite teams of the past? There is no top-10 or 20 player, no Lebron, Curry, Duncan. It’s probably better than the famed ‘04 pistons team but they at least had one area where they were elite in, this team is very deep across the rotation and good in all areas but not high level elite at anything imo, at least in an all time sense like most title winners are.

This team is as good as many past champions. Jayson Tatum is a top five player in this league right now.

Where someone ranks on the all-time list doesn’t matter if they aren’t playing at their peak during the championship run. Tim Duncan in his last championship year was not at his peak for example. You compare them to to 2004 Pistons. What about the Bad Boy Pistons. None of those guy are legit top ten of all time or in the category of Duncan and Lebron.

[KillahGhostface]

Awful, terrible game from Jrue.

Otherwise, not sure what to make of this one. Didn't think the Cs played horrible, but they definitely didn't turn it on until later, which was the frustrating thing about this game and this team in general.

Can't win em all, onto the next and all that, but truth be told I don't think we really know what this team is made of until the post season. That warriors game still leaves me concerned.

They didn’t turn it on until late? They had a lead at halftime lol. But sure, frustrating.

The Warriors game concerns you? The one where Porzingis didn’t play, and Tatum sprained his ankle 4 minutes into? Not sure what was concerning about that, but you do you.

[pac213up]

Offense played the way it usually does. A couple players struggled but not every starter is going to be on every game offensively. If the expectation is the team has to score 130 points to win, they are not going to fare well in the post season. Like the coaches and players said post game...they did not get enough stops and gave up too many uncontested shots. You have to be defensively locked in against the better teams. The effort on that end was noticeably absent through most of the game.

[BK_2020]

Funny because I think Joe gets too much analysis based on regular season accomplishments. This is a ridiculously talented roster who should easily obtain a top regular season record. Come playoffs everything gets magnified. We will see then.

I mean, it’s very good - how good is it compared to the elite teams of the past? There is no top-10 or 20 player, no Lebron, Curry, Duncan. It’s probably better than the famed ‘04 pistons team but they at least had one area where they were elite in, this team is very deep across the rotation and good in all areas but not high level elite at anything imo, at least in an all time sense like most title winners are.

This team is as good as many past champions. Jayson Tatum is a top five player in this league right now.

Where someone ranks on the all-time list doesn’t matter if they aren’t playing at their peak during the championship run. Tim Duncan in his last championship year was not at his peak for example. You compare them to to 2004 Pistons. What about the Bad Boy Pistons. None of those guy are legit top ten of all time or in the category of Duncan and Lebron.

Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, Curry, KD, AD, Luka clearly ahead of him. There's no way Tatum is in the convo for top 5. It's arguable SGA and Haliburton are ahead though they don't have Tatum's defense or the track record. Butler doesn't have Tatum's numbers but we know that he's in the same tier. I think Tatum belongs in the cluster of late top 10.
Meanwhile the Big Three Celtics had KG who was a top 3 player at worst, Pierce who was clearly top 10, and Ray Allen clearly top 15.
Also we are supposed to have won 70% of the games last year on talent alone despite Joe's bad coaching yet all the former Celtics are stinking it up.

[165bows]

Funny because I think Joe gets too much analysis based on regular season accomplishments. This is a ridiculously talented roster who should easily obtain a top regular season record. Come playoffs everything gets magnified. We will see then.

I mean, it’s very good - how good is it compared to the elite teams of the past? There is no top-10 or 20 player, no Lebron, Curry, Duncan. It’s probably better than the famed ‘04 pistons team but they at least had one area where they were elite in, this team is very deep across the rotation and good in all areas but not high level elite at anything imo, at least in an all time sense like most title winners are.

This team is as good as many past champions. Jayson Tatum is a top five player in this league right now.

Where someone ranks on the all-time list doesn’t matter if they aren’t playing at their peak during the championship run. Tim Duncan in his last championship year was not at his peak for example. You compare them to to 2004 Pistons. What about the Bad Boy Pistons. None of those guy are legit top ten of all time or in the category of Duncan and Lebron.

Well yes that is the point. Just having a current top-5 level player isn't close to enough to win a title.

As good as this team is, Derrick White was a nobody, and then a guy that couldn't hack it on the big stage until last season when he started to break out. KP was barely more than a bust.

Whether Joe is an elite title winning coach is way up for debate, as time will tell, but he's shown he's at least more than baseline capable.

[165bows]

I mean, it’s very good - how good is it compared to the elite teams of the past? There is no top-10 or 20 player, no Lebron, Curry, Duncan. It’s probably better than the famed ‘04 pistons team but they at least had one area where they were elite in, this team is very deep across the rotation and good in all areas but not high level elite at anything imo, at least in an all time sense like most title winners are.

This team is as good as many past champions. Jayson Tatum is a top five player in this league right now.

Where someone ranks on the all-time list doesn’t matter if they aren’t playing at their peak during the championship run. Tim Duncan in his last championship year was not at his peak for example. You compare them to to 2004 Pistons. What about the Bad Boy Pistons. None of those guy are legit top ten of all time or in the category of Duncan and Lebron.

Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, Curry, KD, AD, Luka clearly ahead of him. There's no way Tatum is in the convo for top 5. It's arguable SGA and Haliburton are ahead though they don't have Tatum's defense or the track record. Butler doesn't have Tatum's numbers but we know that he's in the same tier. I think Tatum belongs in the cluster of late top 10.
Meanwhile the Big Three Celtics had KG who was a top 3 player at worst, Pierce who was clearly top 10, and Ray Allen clearly top 15.
Also we are supposed to have won 70% of the games last year on talent alone despite Joe's bad coaching yet all the former Celtics are stinking it up.

What is this slander.

[BK_2020]

This team is as good as many past champions. Jayson Tatum is a top five player in this league right now.

Where someone ranks on the all-time list doesn’t matter if they aren’t playing at their peak during the championship run. Tim Duncan in his last championship year was not at his peak for example. You compare them to to 2004 Pistons. What about the Bad Boy Pistons. None of those guy are legit top ten of all time or in the category of Duncan and Lebron.

Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, Curry, KD, AD, Luka clearly ahead of him. There's no way Tatum is in the convo for top 5. It's arguable SGA and Haliburton are ahead though they don't have Tatum's defense or the track record. Butler doesn't have Tatum's numbers but we know that he's in the same tier. I think Tatum belongs in the cluster of late top 10.
Meanwhile the Big Three Celtics had KG who was a top 3 player at worst, Pierce who was clearly top 10, and Ray Allen clearly top 15.
Also we are supposed to have won 70% of the games last year on talent alone despite Joe's bad coaching yet all the former Celtics are stinking it up.

What is this slander.

AD puts up 25-12-3 while playing DPOY defense. Tatum is capable of playing great defense but a big is always going to exponentially more impactful on that end.

[165bows]

Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, Curry, KD, AD, Luka clearly ahead of him. There's no way Tatum is in the convo for top 5. It's arguable SGA and Haliburton are ahead though they don't have Tatum's defense or the track record. Butler doesn't have Tatum's numbers but we know that he's in the same tier. I think Tatum belongs in the cluster of late top 10.
Meanwhile the Big Three Celtics had KG who was a top 3 player at worst, Pierce who was clearly top 10, and Ray Allen clearly top 15.
Also we are supposed to have won 70% of the games last year on talent alone despite Joe's bad coaching yet all the former Celtics are stinking it up.

What is this slander.

AD puts up 25-12-3 while playing DPOY defense. Tatum is capable of playing great defense but a big is always going to exponentially more impactful on that end.

There are a slew of dudes like that right now, who can be great, play about 54% of the time, and get a ton of credit for elite production (KD pretty much also). Let's be real his defense and play overall is so great his team is .500 and barely a top-10 defense.

Defense is great but as the great (lol) Doc Rivers said, availability is the most important ability, and AD > Tatum (Durant too let's be real) is nonsensical slander in the real world as opposed to some hypothetical "what if."

[Red2]

Is it age or is it injuries with Holiday? I’ve waiting to see the guy who was the second best player in Milwaukee and the first best player in new orleans . Quickness is one of the first things to go snd last night he was slow. Still a very good player but not the player I was ecpecting. His O has to be better

[KillahGhostface]

We got a preview of playoff Tatum last night. 30/13/8, only 5 threes, drove 15 times, had 13 potential assists, and made SGA a non factor down the stretch.

The Thunder threw the kitchen sink at him like he will see in the playoffs, and he consistently was able to get to the rim, draw fouls, and create a ton of wide open looks for others. He just had some tough rim luck, the whole team did, was stupid lol.

[Celts17Pride]

People have been overreacting about Tatum for the last two weeks in this forum. It's almost like Tatum smacked Brown on the hand and said "Tag you're it". It's Brown's turn. It never ends.

[Red2]

Last night was one more game where Tatum and Brown failed to deliver when it counted. Yes, tatum came on at the end but we needed him and brown the entire game. Its rare that they both play well especially in big games. Brown played like a rookie last night; he forced everything. He’s the only one who thinks he’s a good defensive player- he’s not!

[BK_2020]

What is this slander.

AD puts up 25-12-3 while playing DPOY defense. Tatum is capable of playing great defense but a big is always going to exponentially more impactful on that end.

There are a slew of dudes like that right now, who can be great, play about 54% of the time, and get a ton of credit for elite production (KD pretty much also). Let's be real his defense and play overall is so great his team is .500 and barely a top-10 defense.

Defense is great but as the great (lol) Doc Rivers said, availability is the most important ability, and AD > Tatum (Durant too let's be real) is nonsensical slander in the real world as opposed to some hypothetical "what if."

To be fair to AD he's played 32 games this season. But more to the point, AD's availability is less likely an issue in the playoffs with rest days between games.

[KillahGhostface]

Last night was one more game where Tatum and Brown failed to deliver when it counted. Yes, tatum came on at the end but we needed him and brown the entire game. Its rare that they both play well especially in big games. Brown played like a rookie last night; he forced everything. He’s the only one who thinks he’s a good defensive player- he’s not!

Tatum had 14/7/3 on 7 shots at the half.

At least criticize real things.

[Curmudgeon]

We saw playoff Brown on full display last night.

[KillahGhostface]

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[PierceFan4ever]

I think putting Holiday/White on Shai was the wrong move. Granted he did hit some tough shots on White but we needed either Jays on him for the majority of the game which would’ve made it at least tougher for him to work for his baskets.