JBreezeNY wrote:cgf wrote:I hate how much worse I feel about adding Murray the more I dig.
Last season the Hawks defense struggled as much when Murray played but Trae sat, as it did when Murray sat & Trae was on the court, and was even worse when they were on the court together
Murray on/Trae on - 117.46 DefRtg (1768 minutes)
Murray off/Trae on - 116.94 DefRtg (1152 minutes)
Murray on/Trae off - 116.89 DefRtg (1039 minutes)
Murray off/Trae off - 111.36 DefRtg (348 minutes)
https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612737&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=All&PlayerIds=1627749,1629027
And this had some ominous blurbs:Murray is not the best one-on-one defender. Among 207 players who’ve defended at least 250 isolations over the last three seasons, he ranks just 168th in points per chance allowed (1.02), according to Second Spectrum tracking.
He’ll bite on pump fakes and sometimes get caught standing up…Murray can also be a little too thirsty for steals, and his gambles can put his team’s defense at a disadvantage…
https://www.nba.com/news/film-study-dejounte-murray-atlanta-hawks
Bro Murray is not the guy. I saw your posts the other day and I wanted to And1 all of them. Just from an eye test he plays poor off ball defense, poor on ball defense, has a sh*tty ego & he’s an inefficient scorer. He is good at help defense hence his steals but he does gamble a bit.
I don’t understand this sudden spark for him here and it’s clear people don’t watch him game in and game out. I watch the hawks he’s talented but you will tear your hair out because he’s lazy.
The numbers back up everything I’m saying about him.
Same things I felt about Jalen Green.
Sometimes you just have gut feelings about players and I’m telling yall we need to stay far away from him.
He’s the type of player you get still hoping 3 years later he unlocks his potential. How many moody players have we gone through? No to Murray.
How often have we seen a guy go from a bad culture or bad coaching/system fit to a better culture and/or system fit and play to his ability ? It happens quite often in all sports not just the NBA.
Murray has proven under a good coach/system in Pops he could defend/rebound/ and score. It's just been a baaaad situation down there in Atl and he not coincidentally looks worse than he did in SA.
He's still young, not overly injury prone , and the idea is he is worth the risk at a manageable 23M AAV to revert closer back to what he was in San Antonio his last 2 years of his development curve under Pops.
It's worth the risk (at least in my mind and what seems like the Knicks front office too) especially if the cost is something like Grimes, Fournier and a couple FRPs. They have successfully hit on Randle (despite the playoffs), Brunson, Hart and DDV with many playing BETTER when they were integrated to this system/culture. All their contracts are good to great value relative to their production levels.
If they trade for Murray I have faith they have done their homework and expect him to IMPROVE and simply become closer to what he has already PROVEN he can be in SA. At 23M AAV that would be great value and at minumum a flippable asset in the offseason if it came to that.