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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#121 » by moocow007 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 4:58 am

Capn'O wrote:Our starting unit is fire.

We need a microwave bench player. Sexton?


Derozan? He scored 28 points on only 13 shots. He can facilitate, create his own shot, he's efficient and should have a field day against most opposing teams bench defenders. Knicks would be guaranteed to always have someone that can put pressure on opposing teams defenses every minute of the game.
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#122 » by GONYK » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:03 am

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On the other hand derozan and Coby white shot out their asses and the bulls gave us a fight but we still won going away easily. And our starting lineup dominated. We can find a way to patch up the bench at some point


Us out talenting the bulls, when they’re on B2B is just whatever. I’ll be willing to believe depending on how this looks on Friday. There’s a lot of promise but we’ll still need to add a third scorer and/or ball handler if we want to make conference title run.


Agreed. Have to put this win in proper context.


What's the proper context for the win against the Wolves?
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#123 » by Montmorencie » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:04 am

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Capn'O wrote:Our starting unit is fire.

We need a microwave bench player. Sexton?


Derozan? He scored 28 points on only 13 shots. He can facilitate, create his own shot, he's efficient and should have a field day against most opposing teams bench defenders. Knicks would be guaranteed to always have someone that can put pressure on opposing teams defenses every minute of the game.


I don't think he is mentally ready to come off the bench. He will need a season or two to reconsider his role, just like Melo did.
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Post#124 » by F N 11 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:05 am

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Post#125 » by TrueWarrior » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:07 am

Grimes floundered as a starter this season, got benched and he’s been inconsistent there too.

Ill give him and McBride more time to get it together, but its not looking good for them so far.

Grimes has been given a huge opportunity to be more of a creator now, but hes still just shooting assisted threes mainly. 3-9 from the field. You got 1 month at most bro and wont get this chance again. Wake up or get out.
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#126 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:08 am

Enzo954 wrote:When I watch OG he tricks my brain. He looks like he moves in slow motion but somehow plays quicker then it seems. He's in the Matrix or something and everything just slows down for him.




He's got a 7'2" wingspan, all the guys that can defend outside of Jimmy and Jrue have massive wingspans and don't appear super athletic.
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Post#127 » by stuporman » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:08 am

I love that OG brings the same stoic demeanor that Brunson has no matter what is going on and it may be only a bit of hopeful bias but I think I see a slight change in Randle's demeanor since the trade.

Some, who have an agenda against a certain player will suggest they know why, yet I think OG brings a kind of calming effect with his defensive presence that the younger player didn't bring.

For the Knicks OG cost a ton of real NBA equity in player production not just probabilistic potential in the form of picks yet he has some humble stats so far himself if one were to tally them up though he impacts the game like few can.

This team is still a piece away and it will be a gaudy stat one...unlike OG and that other one will get alot of credit, which OG will also get because Knicks fans aren't dumb they see defense, right?
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#128 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:09 am

TrueWarrior wrote:Brunson, Randle, iHart, Donte, and OG is a very nice starting unit. Our best lineup since the 90s. Nothing new to really say about them. Brunson is dropping dimes. Julius is bullying. OG lockin. Hartenstein cleanin. Donte wettin.

Grimes and McBride have really disappointed me these last 2 games though. The bench is floundering with them at guard. Just not enough creation/playmaking. Precious has also been meh. Taj is probably the best out of our backup bigs right now but they may be saving him for later. Sims really cant beat these dudes out?

The bench has another month to impress before the deadline. I trust Leon to do something, without emptying the cupboard, if they dont step up. In the meantime we definitely raised our ceiling with the OG pickup.


We have Evan and two FRPs this year to use without really hurting our asset pool for whatever this star trade ends up being. I'm almost ready to say we have our stars in place!!! This version of Randle is a MF BEAST!! Jalen is a top PG in the league. All star all NBA all day every day and twice on Sunday. OG is an all NBA defender first team. I think this team is the closest we've been to a title contender in 50 years. Fix the bench!
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#129 » by moocow007 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:10 am

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Capn'O wrote:Our starting unit is fire.

We need a microwave bench player. Sexton?


Derozan? He scored 28 points on only 13 shots. He can facilitate, create his own shot, he's efficient and should have a field day against most opposing teams bench defenders. Knicks would be guaranteed to always have someone that can put pressure on opposing teams defenses every minute of the game.


I don't think he is mentally ready to come off the bench. He will need a season or two to reconsider his role, just like Melo did.


He can still get his points which I think is the most important thing as he's a FA at the end of the season. Maybe start him and then stagger him as the game goes on with the 2nd unit. He likely would not cost the Knicks all that much given age and his rental status. Kinda like what they've tried to do with RJ.

Alternatives- for a "microwave bench scorer" that has been mentioned is a guy like Jordan Clarkson who also likely not cost an arm and a leg. He can give you plenty of bench scoring and creation and is on a relatively cheap contract (3 years $55 million signed before the season). Plus you could always include him in a trade in the offseason.

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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#130 » by Capn'O » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:10 am

Montmorencie wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Our starting unit is fire.

We need a microwave bench player. Sexton?


Derozan? He scored 28 points on only 13 shots. He can facilitate, create his own shot, he's efficient and should have a field day against most opposing teams bench defenders. Knicks would be guaranteed to always have someone that can put pressure on opposing teams defenses every minute of the game.


I don't think he is mentally ready to come off the bench. He will need a season or two to reconsider his role, just like Melo did.


Plus I think it needs to be a guard.
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Post#131 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:10 am

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he was nice, approached her respectfully, and they were compatible?


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Post#132 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:11 am

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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#133 » by RoyceDa59 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:13 am

OG compared to RJ just really opens up Randle’s game, compliments him so well and doesn’t take away his usage.

Can’t wait to see your guys next move, I hope it’s not Mitchell… he will hog the ball and disrupt chemistry while also being a high usage undersized guard.

I hope you have enough assets to get Markkanen that would be the ideal fit IMO.
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#134 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:17 am

GONYK wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
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Us out talenting the bulls, when they’re on B2B is just whatever. I’ll be willing to believe depending on how this looks on Friday. There’s a lot of promise but we’ll still need to add a third scorer and/or ball handler if we want to make conference title run.


Agreed. Have to put this win in proper context.


What's the proper context for the win against the Wolves?


A win is a fuggin win! You think we need to put it in proper context when ORL/CLE/MIA beat up on WAS/DET/CHA etc? No! We need to keep pace!!
Take that for context! :lol:

Here's some context. The Knicks just traded 2 core players who were here for years and disrupted the chemistry up and down the roster. They went out and beat two teams within three days of doing so.

Proper context.
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#135 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:17 am

GONYK wrote:
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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Us out talenting the bulls, when they’re on B2B is just whatever. I’ll be willing to believe depending on how this looks on Friday. There’s a lot of promise but we’ll still need to add a third scorer and/or ball handler if we want to make conference title run.


Agreed. Have to put this win in proper context.


What's the proper context for the win against the Wolves?


Knicks fans weren't ready to win vs. the Wolves = Gives them reasons to find positives

Knicks fans expected a win vs. the Bulls = Gives them reasons to find negatives
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Post#136 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:19 am

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Agreed. Have to put this win in proper context.


What's the proper context for the win against the Wolves?


A win is a fuggin win! You think we need to put it in proper context when ORL/CLE/MIA beat up on WAS/DET/CHA etc? No! We need to keep pace!!
Take that for context! :lol:

Here's some context. The Knicks just traded 2 core players who were here for years and disrupted the chemistry up and down the roster. They went out and beat two teams within three days of doing so.

Proper context.


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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#137 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:19 am

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Derozan? He scored 28 points on only 13 shots. He can facilitate, create his own shot, he's efficient and should have a field day against most opposing teams bench defenders. Knicks would be guaranteed to always have someone that can put pressure on opposing teams defenses every minute of the game.


I don't think he is mentally ready to come off the bench. He will need a season or two to reconsider his role, just like Melo did.


He can still get his points which I think is the most important thing as he's a FA at the end of the season. Maybe start him and then stagger him as the game goes on with the 2nd unit. He likely would not cost the Knicks all that much given age and his rental status.

Alternatives- for a "microwave bench scorer" that has been mentioned is a guy like Jordan Clarkson who also likely not cost an arm and a leg. He can give you plenty of bench scoring and creation and is on a relatively cheap contract (3 years $55 million signed before the season).

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You don't need a microwave scorer off the bench, contenders generally don't have guys that are 6th man of the year, the exceptions being Manu and McHale, outside of that it's pointless to waste money on guys like Clarkson. Whoever they trade for should be a starter level player, it's completely unneeded.
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#138 » by robillionaire » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:20 am

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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#139 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:21 am

RoyceDa59 wrote:OG compared to RJ just really opens up Randle’s game, compliments him so well and doesn’t take away his usage.

Can’t wait to see your guys next move, I hope it’s not Mitchell… he will hog the ball and disrupt chemistry while also being a high usage undersized guard.

I hope you have enough assets to get Markkanen that would be the ideal fit IMO.


Mitchell is not a good fit though you'll still find a bunch of people here who slobber over him.

Lauri is intriguing though I suspect the Knicks are waiting to see if the Wolves will need to move KAT to free cap space for Edwards.
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Re: Knicks - Bulls PG 

Post#140 » by moocow007 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 5:22 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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I don't think he is mentally ready to come off the bench. He will need a season or two to reconsider his role, just like Melo did.


He can still get his points which I think is the most important thing as he's a FA at the end of the season. Maybe start him and then stagger him as the game goes on with the 2nd unit. He likely would not cost the Knicks all that much given age and his rental status.

Alternatives- for a "microwave bench scorer" that has been mentioned is a guy like Jordan Clarkson who also likely not cost an arm and a leg. He can give you plenty of bench scoring and creation and is on a relatively cheap contract (3 years $55 million signed before the season).

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You don't need a microwave scorer off the bench, contenders generally don't have guys that are 6th man of the year, the exceptions being Manu and McHale, outside of that it's pointless to waste money on guys like Clarkson. Whoever they trade for should be a starter level player, it's completely unneeded.


I don't disagree. I'm just giving options cause folks keep chirping about a 'microwave' bench scorer. :D

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