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[PG Graveyard]

I bet Cam Payne gets the Torrey Craig treatment at the deadline. He’s been awful and this probably was t a great fit since Dame plays the entire 1st and 3rd quarter. Tough for him to get any rhythm.

[MickeyDavis]

Cam has been fine. Bad last game (as was everyone) and Cleveland but overall his shooting is above his career averages and he's been steady. He has been giving a solid 16 minutes per game. His minutes come in chunks, not a couple of minutes at a time. that's exactly how you get into rhythm. He'll play solid 6 in the 2nd and 4th and sometimes a bit at the end.

[stellation]

Cam has been fine. Bad last game (as was everyone) and Cleveland but overall his shooting is above his career averages and he's been steady. He has been giving a solid 16 minutes per game. His minutes come in chunks, not a couple of minutes at a time. that's exactly how you get into rhythm. He'll play solid 6 in the 2nd and 4th and sometimes a bit at the end.

I agree, he hasn't been great but has been perfectly fine and a contributor. I thought he'd maybe give a little more shot creation for others, but even that seems to me more a role/system thing than anything- I'm not sure how many minutes he's logging off the bench with Pat, but it seems like Griff is using Pat as more of the dynamic/moving guy in some offensive sets (and his assist numbers are slightly up, I'd guess other guys would be slightly down).

[PG Graveyard]

Ok awful may have been harsh but my read on his body language is he is upset at the lack of minutes and I think his energy has gone down because of it. I don’t really blame him as I’m sure he expected a slightly larger role. I still wouldn’t be surprised if we moved him

[Badgerlander]

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[PG Graveyard]

Thybulle is the guy for us.

[BigO]

I'd trade PC straight up for Thybulle, but not going to happen. Thybulle is a much better player and the Bucks, for various reasons, appear to love PC.

Thybulle is shooting better than PC and the defense is so much better.

PC is not a good shooter. He's shooting 41% overall and 32% on threes. Last year he shot even worse. He's had one or two decent years shooting, but overall is a negative shooter.

So to get Thybulle, the Bucks need to give up a lot more and they don't have a lot more, unless they give up AJJ, Marjon or both (which I would consider).

[Baddy Chuck]

So to get Thybulle, the Bucks need to give up a lot more and they don't have a lot more, unless they give up AJJ, Marjon or both (which I would consider).

Oh, there's another way .

[jakecronus8]

The tinker trades aren’t changing the trajectory of the team one way or the other. Only way that happens is by moving one of your best 4 or replacing Griffin.

[jakecronus8]

Atlanta shopping Murray. Orlando wanting to take another step.

Isaac & Ingles’ expirings, picks to ATL
Middleton to Orlando
Dejounte/Patty to Milwaukee

[mediocrityrules]

I'd trade PC straight up for Thybulle, but not going to happen. Thybulle is a much better player and the Bucks, for various reasons, appear to love PC.

Thybulle is shooting better than PC and the defense is so much better.

PC is not a good shooter. He's shooting 41% overall and 32% on threes. Last year he shot even worse. He's had one or two decent years shooting, but overall is a negative shooter.

So to get Thybulle, the Bucks need to give up a lot more and they don't have a lot more, unless they give up AJJ, Marjon or both (which I would consider).

I'm on board with Thybulle. Much more so than Caruso. I'm happy to give up any/combo of PC, Marjon, Green, Crowder (although his value is nowhere right now).

[PG Graveyard]

Brook for Draymond/Moody who says no? I’m ready for some entertainment. If I recall aren’t Dame and Draymond friendly?

[raferfenix]

Would there actually be real repercussions much less backlash if we fire Grief?

‘Rookie coach hired when we had Jrue ideal for his scheme, wasn’t set up for success with monumental Dame move, good guy but need to make a change.’ PR seems workable and damage from other prospective coaches seems containable.

Unless there is a basketball reason not to I hope it’d be seriously considered before we make a more significant player transaction.

[pifhluk23]

Dame will play hard in the playoffs no matter what is going on off the court. Giannis is a unicorn, most guys who have played 10+ years don't value the regular season all that much. Dame should honestly be the least of anyone's concerns about this team.

[JayMKE]

Payne is okay for a min signing but he doesn’t provide much, he’s basically Jeff Teague here for a ride. Jevon Carter was way more productive on both sides of the ball and nobody thought he was a playoff performer.

[-Jragon-]

Dave needs wayyy more shots to become Dave again. I "secretly" hope we are showcasing former All-Star KM for a trade... we need some athletes to compete with certain teams and guys with the mindset to screen and pass back to Dave and screen again and none of that is KM.. he doesn't fit and I'm not sure we can beat Indy in a playoff series with this cat playing big minutes and closing games. Am I the only one that saw him fall flat on his a$$ just catching a pass? And get completely ripped before the backboard Alley-oop?

[JayMKE]

Would there actually be real repercussions much less backlash if we fire Grief?

‘Rookie coach hired when we had Jrue ideal for his scheme, wasn’t set up for success with monumental Dame move, good guy but need to make a change.’ PR seems workable and damage from other prospective coaches seems containable.

Unless there is a basketball reason not to I hope it’d be seriously considered before we make a more significant player transaction.

Maybe from some blogboy or if Griff is litigious himself but I doubt it, even Stephen A has been taking shots at him for a minute.

[German Athens]

Grief is our biggest problem, but I think Ron made the point most ardently that a whole lot more would have to go wrong for him to get fired this season, and that’s not something to wish for - even hiring a good coach mid season likely isn’t going to successfully paper over the issues that would arise in that situation. I agree with that. We’re shackled to Griff this season.

That sucks, but I still think the team could win the title if they make some sensible personnel changes despite the coaching making the pathway narrower.

The best playoff teams have different looks they can provide depending on certain matchups. Even under Bud we struggled to come up with the right personnel to go big and small. Our best small ball lineup was likely one that never really got a chance to play together:

Jrue
Donte
Midds
PJ
Giannis

But we made pat work in Donte’s absence and won a title. We’ve tried Mirotic, Marvin Williams, crowder in those small ball looks before to no avail in the playoffs.

With Dame here, our offense is improved but we need to find a perimeter defender, and still need to find that small-ball 4 like what we had in PJ. Do both those things while retaining our starting 5, and we could be setup to win a title.

[Siefer]

We have a margin for error, but it feels like we're going to burn most or all of it, even with good health. The defensive plan is still awful, the bench looks weak, and Dame is at minimum struggling to acclimate (and I'm open to the idea he's actively chaffing against how we're doing things).

There are freebies still sitting there (organization on both sides, transition D, rebounding), but I'm losing hope that the staff can sort those out let alone address how high we meet guards, and getting turned upsidedown on switches.

[JayMKE]

Grief is our biggest problem, but I think Ron made the point most ardently that a whole lot more would have to go wrong for him to get fired this season, and that’s not something to wish for - even hiring a good coach mid season likely isn’t going to successfully paper over the issues that would arise in that situation. I agree with that. We’re shackled to Griff this season.

That sucks, but I still think the team could win the title if they make some sensible personnel changes despite the coaching making the pathway narrower.

Then we'd be shackled with Griffin for the next decade probably. However I don't agree about this team being that salvageable under Griffin even with fringe personnel changes, some random defensive wing from a mediocre or bad team isn't going to turn this team around lets be real. Probably better to let this pretender to die on the vine and hope to reload next year than double down on whats not going to ever work. Its a poorly constructed slapped together old man team with a total lame duck as coach and inflated record rn, Horst got too much credit for pulling the Lillard trade out of his butt and getting Giannis to sign an extension but this team is finished as a serious contender.

Horst needs to figure something out or start feeling the heat himself, we got to sell Giannis on a quick reload/rebuild and I don't think its crazy if he asks out in the future. Fix it ****!