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[German Athens]

Grief is our biggest problem, but I think Ron made the point most ardently that a whole lot more would have to go wrong for him to get fired this season, and that’s not something to wish for - even hiring a good coach mid season likely isn’t going to successfully paper over the issues that would arise in that situation. I agree with that. We’re shackled to Griff this season.

That sucks, but I still think the team could win the title if they make some sensible personnel changes despite the coaching making the pathway narrower.

Then we'd be shackled with Griffin for the next decade probably. However I don't agree about this team being that salvageable under Griffin even with fringe personnel changes, some random defensive wing from a mediocre or bad team isn't going to turn this team around lets be real. Probably better to let this pretender to die on the vine and hope to reload next year than double down on whats not going to ever work. Its a poorly constructed slapped together old man team with a total lame duck as coach and inflated record rn, Horst got too much credit for pulling the Lillard trade out of his butt and getting Giannis to sign an extension but this team is finished as a serious contender.

Horst needs to figure something out or start feeling the heat himself, we got to sell Giannis on a quick reload/rebuild and I don't think its crazy if he asks out in the future. Fix it ****!

Wait, are you complaining that if we won the title this year, it would be a bad thing, because we’d have to keep griffin?

Can’t see the forest for the trees.

Also, Bud won a title here, and then got fired after two more seasons. Coaches almost never last a decade in one spot unless they win multiple titles.

[giannis and 1]

I'd trade PC straight up for Thybulle, but not going to happen. Thybulle is a much better player and the Bucks, for various reasons, appear to love PC.

Thybulle is shooting better than PC and the defense is so much better.

PC is not a good shooter. He's shooting 41% overall and 32% on threes. Last year he shot even worse. He's had one or two decent years shooting, but overall is a negative shooter.

So to get Thybulle, the Bucks need to give up a lot more and they don't have a lot more, unless they give up AJJ, Marjon or both (which I would consider).

My offer is Beauchamp and Portland’s 2nd. I can be talked into including our 2027 2nd, but wouldn’t he happy with it.

[JayMKE]

Grief is our biggest problem, but I think Ron made the point most ardently that a whole lot more would have to go wrong for him to get fired this season, and that’s not something to wish for - even hiring a good coach mid season likely isn’t going to successfully paper over the issues that would arise in that situation. I agree with that. We’re shackled to Griff this season.

That sucks, but I still think the team could win the title if they make some sensible personnel changes despite the coaching making the pathway narrower.

Then we'd be shackled with Griffin for the next decade probably. However I don't agree about this team being that salvageable under Griffin even with fringe personnel changes, some random defensive wing from a mediocre or bad team isn't going to turn this team around lets be real. Probably better to let this pretender to die on the vine and hope to reload next year than double down on whats not going to ever work. Its a poorly constructed slapped together old man team with a total lame duck as coach and inflated record rn, Horst got too much credit for pulling the Lillard trade out of his butt and getting Giannis to sign an extension but this team is finished as a serious contender.

Horst needs to figure something out or start feeling the heat himself, we got to sell Giannis on a quick reload/rebuild and I don't think its crazy if he asks out in the future. Fix it ****!

Wait, are you complaining that if we won the title this year, it would be a bad thing, because we’d have to keep griffin?

Can’t see the forest for the trees.

Also, Bud won a title here, and then got fired after two more seasons. Coaches almost never last a decade in one spot unless they win multiple titles.

Point is if Griffin is the problem then he's likely going to remain the problem no matter how much help he gets, there's only one thing to do IMO and then we have to reevaluate where we're at after that again

[emunney]

We could absolutely get hot regardless of who the coach is, hit a bunch of shots, and win the whole thing. We have plenty of talent for the talent to take over and get us all the way through. Also, we are coasting on talent offensively and totally incoherent defensively most of the time, and that proportion is not shrinking. We started out the season bad, then everybody got diarrhea and we were really bad, and then we went back to just normal bad.

There was a time when we thought we were worse than we are because everybody had diarrhea, and there was a time after that when we thought we were figuring things out, but it was really just that we didn't all have diarrhea anymore.

[engelmartin]

Hey at least we don’t suck as much as the Lakers

[kanyon]

If we can't get Atkinson, can we sign Ham?

I'm thinking Bud would never come back. Probably similar with Stotts.

[Prez]

It's insane how much we've dropped off in areas that they've normally been elite at, while not actually achieving the intended positives of the trade off.

With the same front court as last season, we are 20th in rebounding this year, after being 1st last season. And in the other 4 Bud seasons, we were #6 (the season Brook missed most of the year), #3, #1, and #1. A perennially elite rebounding team, elite even in the year Brook missed most of the season and trotted out the corpses of Boogie Cousins/Serge Ibaka in his absence, is now 20th.

We are 25th in opponent PITP, after being top 5 in 4/5 seasons w/ Bud. 16th in opponent FG% within 6ft, after being #1 or #2 every season except the one Brook missed most of.

And to top it off, in the main area where you hope to benefit from a more aggressive defense...we are now down to literally dead last, #30, in opponent turnovers/100 poss lol.

And the scary part is it could easily get worse lol. We are arguably the luckiest team in the league in terms of opponent 3PT shooting, literally #1 in lowest opponent 3PT% on *wide open* 3s.

We needed an elite defensive coach to mask the personnel limitations on that end, and instead it's been made actively worse. Barring some miracle sequence of trades that net us like multiple good guard/wing defenders without giving up any of the top guys (like somehow getting both Caruso & DFS), the coaching deficit is so large I think we're cooked tbh.

[FrieAaron]

It's insane how much we've dropped off in areas that they've normally been elite at, while not actually achieving the intended positives of the trade off.

With the same front court as last season, we are 20th in rebounding this year, after being 1st last season. And in the other 4 Bud seasons, we were #6 (the season Brook missed most of the year), #3, #1, and #1. A perennially elite rebounding team, elite even in the year Brook missed most of the season and trotted out the corpses of Boogie Cousins/Serge Ibaka playing in his absence, is now 20th.

We are 25th in opponent PITP, after being top 5 in 4/5 seasons w/ Bud. 16th in opponent FG% within 6ft, after being #1 or #2 every season except the one Brook missed most of.

And to top it off, in the main area where you hope to benefit from a more aggressive defense...we are now down to literally dead last, #30, in opponent turnovers/100 poss lol.

And the scary part is it could easily get worse lol. We are arguably the luckiest team in the league in terms of opponent 3PT shooting, literally #1 in lowest opponent 3PT% on *wide open* 3s.

We needed an elite defensive coach to mask the personnel limitations on that end, and instead it's been made actively worse. Barring some miracle sequence of trades that net us like multiple good guard/wing defenders without giving up any of the top guys (like somehow getting both Caruso & DFS), the coaching deficit is so large I think we're cooked tbh.

This pretty well sums up why I'm having trouble blaming any specific personnel. Seems like every year we brought in FAs that people were worried about defensively and still every year we managed to have a pretty good defense. It's reasonable to expect going from Jrue and Allen to Dame and Beasley would cause a drop in defense, but I also think it's reasonable to think we shouldn't be bottom 20 all season still to this point.

[tydett]

There was a time when we thought we were worse than we are because everybody had diarrhea, and there was a time after that when we thought we were figuring things out, but it was really just that we didn't all have diarrhea anymore.

This reads like some Tim Robinson-esque poetry. Just thought you might enjoy that.

[pifhluk23]

Griff's / Raptors defensive scheme is designed for long boi quick good defenders. Literally the opposite of what we have and this moron won't adapt to the personnel. We all knew it was doomed from the beginning when the moron said Beasley would get the toughest assignments every night. Then Stotts left and every red flag possible had been thrown up. It really sucks that he got to hide behind the easiest schedule in the league and now the entire season hangs on can Giannis, Dame and Middleton score 100+ every playoff game.

[VooDoo7]

[Fotis St]

Griffin's defensive schemes fits young athletic players ... we are the oldest team in the League.
Horst adjust or be gone ... so many established coaches were available and I thought he can't ef up ... somehow though he revived his FedEx self and hired a rookie coach. These things happen only in Milwaukee.

Trade Brook and Pat ... Get Smart and Grant Williams .... Make it happen

[Milbucks96]

Halliburton having those numbers is actually crazy. IST paying off? I know he’s pretty popular online but not that much more so than someone like Ant Edwards or even Trae young.

[MickeyDavis]

They've done away with the all-star draft and gone back to East vs. West. And eliminated the Elam ending. Dumb. There was a reason they ditched the original format. If they're tired of LeBron and Giannis always drafting find another way to do it. Or just mix up the teams randomly. At the very least if you're going to go back to East/West, keep the Elam ending.

[Prez]

Am I tripping or is Devin Booker not on there lol. Man couldn’t crack 170k votes? Friggin Derrick White and Kuzma got more votes lmfao

[BroncoBuck]

I have a feeling Doc is the guy they bring in if they dump Griff. I think it’s too late into the season to pilfer a guy like Kenny Atkinson away from their current team.

[StickeeFingaz]

I always thought the NBA might pad the vote totals for certain players.

[theFireBlanket]

GO GET DARVIN, HORST.

[pifhluk23]

Am I tripping or is Devin Booker not on there lol. Man couldn’t crack 170k votes? Friggin Derrick White and Kuzma got more votes lmfao

That can't be right... How are people voting for Ja and Irving when they've missed so many games and Reaves and Klay but Booker who has been good and played in 25 games isn't wtf is going on.

[theFireBlanket]

Am I tripping or is Devin Booker not on there lol. Man couldn’t crack 170k votes? Friggin Derrick White and Kuzma got more votes lmfao

That can't be right... How are people voting for Ja and Irving when they've missed so many games and Reaves and Klay but Booker who has been good and played in 25 games isn't wtf is going on.

ASG voting is always whack.

Ant should be tops in guards. Insane.