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2023-2024 Regular Season Game 34: Orlando Magic (19-14) at Sacramento Kings (19-13) - 10pm

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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 34: Orlando Magic (19-14) at Sacramento Kings (19-13) - 10pm 

Post#821 » by Bakomagic » Thu Jan 4, 2024 6:37 pm

Bensational wrote:I’m kinda surprised Paolo only had 5 assists with how well our guys were shooting from deep.



Lots of hockey assists.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 34: Orlando Magic (19-14) at Sacramento Kings (19-13) - 10pm 

Post#822 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 6:38 pm

Are we really serious about wanting to trade Franz or are we just delirious of watching a great game? The notion of trading him is ridiculous.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 34: Orlando Magic (19-14) at Sacramento Kings (19-13) - 10pm 

Post#823 » by ogmagicfan » Thu Jan 4, 2024 6:40 pm

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Bensational wrote:I’m kinda surprised Paolo only had 5 assists with how well our guys were shooting from deep.



Lots of hockey assists.


Took the words out my mouth, the Magic were moving the ball alot more decisively to find the open man to respond to the zone.

There was a specific hockey assist where Paolo no look threw it to the corner from the opposite side top of the key that was an absolute dime, and the ball swung to Suggs for a wide open 3
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 34: Orlando Magic (19-14) at Sacramento Kings (19-13) - 10pm 

Post#824 » by Bakomagic » Thu Jan 4, 2024 6:43 pm

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:Are we really serious about wanting to trade Franz or are we just delirious of watching a great game? The notion of trading him is ridiculous.



Naw, that’s crazy. He should get back to shooting well enough to be able to space for Paolo and vice verse and mix in some your turn, my turn.

I’d also like to see Franz Paolo pick and rolls, they are both our best playmakers and finishers so if we can get a pick to get a the defender on their hip it’s a layup or wide open 3 when the defender helps.

Otherwise they should get a good amount of minutes playing without each other. One of them should ALWAYS be on the floor imo
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 34: Orlando Magic (19-14) at Sacramento Kings (19-13) - 10pm 

Post#825 » by Skybox » Thu Jan 4, 2024 6:47 pm

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If he idolizes LeBron or Luka, he's probably pumped about being the main creator every possession. Paolo doesn't move great without the ball so he probably needs to be on ball as much as possible.

I don't think we need more guys to initiate the offense, we just need guys who can shoot better so the lane opens for Paolo and he can get his assists up (both would make him very happy).


I’m not suggesting taking it out of his hands just getting him some help.


Yeah that's fair. I don't think we ever need to be as heliocentric as a Luka or Harden team since we've got Franz who should eat up more usage than any Luka/Harden teammate. But we should consider building a roster like a Luka/Harden team. The good news about our situation is neither Paolo nor Franz are liabilities on defense so the emphasis can be more on the 3 side rather than 3 & D for the role players.

Just put 2 great shooters around Franz/Paolo/Suggs and let's see what happens.


Beautiful...and a rim-defending, lob catching, rebounding monster in the middle who's happy doing the dirty work. That's a very functional team, especially if at least one of the Guards will destroy you if you try to double down low.

We're really not that far...the hardest parts are the ones we have.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 34: Orlando Magic (19-14) at Sacramento Kings (19-13) - 10pm 

Post#826 » by Rainwater » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:47 pm

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:Are we really serious about wanting to trade Franz or are we just delirious of watching a great game? The notion of trading him is ridiculous.


Are people really saying trade Franz? lol. That is ridiculous.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 34: Orlando Magic (19-14) at Sacramento Kings (19-13) - 10pm 

Post#827 » by Bensational » Thu Jan 4, 2024 8:33 pm

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The bigger problem with the Tatum/Brown duo is they have to do the "my turn your turn" thing. You want your better players to have some synergy. The only duo that won doing the "your turn my turn thing" was the Heat when Lebron and Wade played together.

Watching the end of the 4th and the 2 ot's last night I noticed that Paolo looked more lethal with shooters flanked to either side of him rather than having possessions where Franz has a turn at beating his man off the dribble and then Paolo has a turn. What Paolo will get better at is his decision making but last night it was pretty clear that the team can play a different style of basketball than they have been and be competitive.


They’re both capable of running more complex sets, but Mosley isn’t really pushing them to operate as point guys despite having the ball so much. It’ll come with time and experience but would help us turn the corner if it could come sooner. Getting other guys going is what will make scoring easier for them too.
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Post#828 » by Residual-Heat » Thu Jan 4, 2024 8:36 pm

Credit to Mosley man he was working hard on that sideline.
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Post#829 » by p0peye » Thu Jan 4, 2024 8:39 pm

ogmagicfan wrote:Was Paolo's performance last night the best performance by a Magic player in a game since Dwight?

Down 2 starters, another starter is just coming back from injury off the bench and not close to 100% (WCJ), and Suggs is also not 100% as well

Paolo also leaves the game after rolling his ankle, later coming back and the team immediately goes on a big run.

He puts up 43/4/5 on 13/25 shooting, 6/9 from 3, & 11/14 from the line

Makes a clutch 3 in regulation with 15 sec left that helped us force overtime, made all his clutch FTs

Made a clutch basket again at the end of OT to force 2OT

He scored 18 straight points in the 4th & OT. Amazing

I don't really think there's a question about it, this will be a moment all Magic fans recognize as Paolo taking another step towards legitimate stardom.


AG had two 40+ point games in 2017:
- vs Nets he had 41/14/2 game shooting 5/5 for 3PT
- vs Thunder he had 40/15/4 with 3 steals and shooting 6/12 for 3PT.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/40-point-games-of-aaron-gordons-career
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Post#830 » by The-Stallion70 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 8:51 pm

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:Are we really serious about wanting to trade Franz or are we just delirious of watching a great game? The notion of trading him is ridiculous.


Lol lady, no need to overreact,

I simply brought up the notion of thinking of what we could get for him.

Having two star young forwards is a great thing and tif they don't fit perfectly next to one another then there are much worse problems to have.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 34: Orlando Magic (19-14) at Sacramento Kings (19-13) - 10pm 

Post#831 » by ogmagicfan » Thu Jan 4, 2024 9:44 pm

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ogmagicfan wrote:Was Paolo's performance last night the best performance by a Magic player in a game since Dwight?

Down 2 starters, another starter is just coming back from injury off the bench and not close to 100% (WCJ), and Suggs is also not 100% as well

Paolo also leaves the game after rolling his ankle, later coming back and the team immediately goes on a big run.

He puts up 43/4/5 on 13/25 shooting, 6/9 from 3, & 11/14 from the line

Makes a clutch 3 in regulation with 15 sec left that helped us force overtime, made all his clutch FTs

Made a clutch basket again at the end of OT to force 2OT

He scored 18 straight points in the 4th & OT. Amazing

I don't really think there's a question about it, this will be a moment all Magic fans recognize as Paolo taking another step towards legitimate stardom.


AG had two 40+ point games in 2017:
- vs Nets he had 41/14/2 game shooting 5/5 for 3PT
- vs Thunder he had 40/15/4 with 3 steals and shooting 6/12 for 3PT.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/40-point-games-of-aaron-gordons-career


I recall the AG random hot games where the basket was an ocean to him, if he could be half that player offensively he couldve been special. Same with Vuc's multiple 20/20 games

But I think I'd still put the Paolo performance was another level. Considering how many player were injured and the whole defense was focused on him, and how clutch he was.
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Post#833 » by eyriq » Thu Jan 4, 2024 11:03 pm

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Post#834 » by SOUL » Thu Jan 4, 2024 11:06 pm

I think the Magic/fans are going to find out that Paolo is going to be more heliocentric in the future than people realize, which is why some of these lineups that should be trash might look okay with Paolo as an offensive hub, kinda like Doncic. But Paolo is not equipped to be a full-time on-ball guy like Doncic is who obviously feels more comfortable with it and even he has some crazy turnover games, and even he ultimately has Kyrie even if it took a while.
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Post#835 » by tooler » Thu Jan 4, 2024 11:32 pm

Bakomagic wrote: I’d also like to see Franz Paolo pick and rolls, they are both our best playmakers and finishers so if we can get a pick to get a the defender on their hip it’s a layup or wide open 3 when the defender helps.

You can't run a pick and roll with two 6'10" wings against modern defense. Teams will switch it instantly. The only benefit is to put a smaller player on Banchero.

Or, oh by the way, a lot of teams only have one strong wing defender. Wow, isn't it nice having two big wings with overlapping skillsets?

I think this ideal of perfect rhythmic harmony is misguided. We're already far ahead of the game in terms of roster construction by finding two young 6'10" wings that generate offense. Each of them can receive passes and take 3PT shots like anyone else. It's the other three guys that need to harmonize with the two of them, not the two of them with each other.
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Post#836 » by KillMonger » Thu Jan 4, 2024 11:33 pm

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Post#837 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Jan 5, 2024 12:56 am

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Post#838 » by Optimus_Steel » Fri Jan 5, 2024 1:27 am

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ogmagicfan wrote:Was Paolo's performance last night the best performance by a Magic player in a game since Dwight?

Down 2 starters, another starter is just coming back from injury off the bench and not close to 100% (WCJ), and Suggs is also not 100% as well

Paolo also leaves the game after rolling his ankle, later coming back and the team immediately goes on a big run.

He puts up 43/4/5 on 13/25 shooting, 6/9 from 3, & 11/14 from the line

Makes a clutch 3 in regulation with 15 sec left that helped us force overtime, made all his clutch FTs

Made a clutch basket again at the end of OT to force 2OT

He scored 18 straight points in the 4th & OT. Amazing

I don't really think there's a question about it, this will be a moment all Magic fans recognize as Paolo taking another step towards legitimate stardom.


Agreed, the Magic need to get serious and realize that we have our major piece. We need to get guys who compliment Paolo asap.

Franz may not even be the best fit next to Paolo, trading Franz could net a ridiculous return.





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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 34: Orlando Magic (19-14) at Sacramento Kings (19-13) - 10pm 

Post#839 » by Bakomagic » Fri Jan 5, 2024 1:30 am

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Bakomagic wrote: I’d also like to see Franz Paolo pick and rolls, they are both our best playmakers and finishers so if we can get a pick to get a the defender on their hip it’s a layup or wide open 3 when the defender helps.

You can't run a pick and roll with two 6'10" wings against modern defense. Teams will switch it instantly. The only benefit is to put a smaller player on Banchero.

Or, oh by the way, a lot of teams only have one strong wing defender. Wow, isn't it nice having two big wings with overlapping skillsets?

I think this ideal of perfect rhythmic harmony is misguided. We're already far ahead of the game in terms of roster construction by finding two young 6'10" wings that generate offense. Each of them can receive passes and take 3PT shots like anyone else. It's the other three guys that need to harmonize with the two of them, not the two of them with each other.


Sure you can, I understand gaining a mismatch is usually the goal but using a screen to get a step or angle on the defender would also be advantageous.

Or getting to attack a flat footed defender with a head of steam would give Paolo an Franz great opportunities at the rim.

Just something to mix in to your other offensive plays wouldn’t be a main stay.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 34: Orlando Magic (19-14) at Sacramento Kings (19-13) - 10pm 

Post#840 » by Residual-Heat » Fri Jan 5, 2024 1:31 am

Franz will be a monster in the 2nd half of the season. His three will start falling.

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