Alperen Sengun is anchoring a top 5 defense. Is Jokic-like ceiling really out of the question?

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Re: Alperen Sengun is anchoring a top 5 defense. Is Jokic-like ceiling really out of the question? 

Post#41 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Thu Jan 4, 2024 8:14 pm

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Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Sure, and Green's taken a step backwards. Fred's picking the winners.


I wish it were that simple for Jalen, but the reality is Jalen only takes 0.4 fewer FGAs per 36 than Sengun (3.5 FGAs greater than Fred). Greens USG rate is only 0.9% lower than Senguns, and 6.6% higher then Freds.

Jalen's performance has been pretty similar to last season per minute, the biggest difference for Jalen has been the coaching change. Ime has been benching Jalen in competitive 4th Q's whenever he's having bad games (quite often), Silas never did this (probably and order from the FO) Jalen as a result is averaging 4 fewer mpg this season.

Only person hurting Jalen has been Jalen, he's gotten tons of opportunities but has been violently inconsistent, and on average just not good enough.

We had this debate about Scottie last year too.
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Post#42 » by ThatBoyNick » Thu Jan 4, 2024 8:55 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:We had this debate about Scottie last year too.


Clearly, because there’s only a debate “on this” about Scottie last year lol.
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Re: Alperen Sengun is anchoring a top 5 defense. Is Jokic-like ceiling really out of the question? 

Post#43 » by Nuntius » Thu Jan 4, 2024 10:07 pm

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Sane wrote:Sengun is very flashy so his offense will always steal the spotlight but the reason he has elevated so much is that in the other 50% of the game, he is playing very good defense. This is a shocking development, most people thought he wouldn't be able to do that in his entire career.


It shouldn't be that shocking of a development, to be honest. Sengun has always been a really solid defender. Even before being drafted in the NBA, he had very good stock (steals+blocks) numbers in his native Turkey. Anyone who thought that Sengun would struggle defensively wasn't really paying attention.


Steals don't necessarily make a good defender, especially not for a center or rim defender type. (He's also one of the lowest centers in the league in blocks per minute, the numbers aren't horrendous but they're not going to make an argument for him as a good defender.)

People at draft time thought he might struggle defensively because of a lot of the usual things: not very tall or long (also can't really jump to make up for it), doesn't have quick lateral feet, pretty hopeless on the perimeter. Even his strongest supporters thought he'd be at best underwhelming on the defensive end of the court.

If he's actually good now on defense, I'm guessing it'd be because he's been great at positioning and anticipation, and uses his strength and quick hands well.


I agree that steals do not necessarily make a good defender and this is indeed even more true for Centers. Drummond, for example, has always been adept at generating steals but he hasn't been very impactful defensively throughout his career.

It is also true that Sengun's blocks per minute numbers this year have not been good. They were pretty good in his rookie year, though, (1.6 per 36) and they were similarly good in his native Turkey (2.1 per 36) so I do think that there's some upside there.

And, yes, that upside is largely due to positioning, anticipation and quick hands.
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Re: Alperen Sengun is anchoring a top 5 defense. Is Jokic-like ceiling really out of the question? 

Post#44 » by MrBigShot » Thu Jan 4, 2024 10:23 pm

They are both white big men who can pass, but Sengun is no jokic, nor will he ever be.
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Re: Alperen Sengun is anchoring a top 5 defense. Is Jokic-like ceiling really out of the question? 

Post#45 » by 90sAllDecade » Thu Jan 4, 2024 10:32 pm

It's interesting watching this guy grow before our eyes. I've said in other threads I think Sengun is an all-star talent who could potentially become a superstar.

Jokic is his idol and I'm sure they've had conversations, hopefully mentoring him. Nothing wrong with an MJ/Kobe dynamic, I think its cool of Joker.

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Re: Alperen Sengun is anchoring a top 5 defense. Is Jokic-like ceiling really out of the question? 

Post#46 » by Slim Charlez » Thu Jan 4, 2024 11:07 pm

His ceiling is somewhere between Jokic and Sabonis, can see him being a multi time all star but Jokic just looks like a little bit too high of a ceiling for him, you never know though.
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Post#47 » by TheFire » Thu Jan 4, 2024 11:40 pm

How’s his mid range shooting compared to Jokic’s?
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Re: Alperen Sengun is anchoring a top 5 defense. Is Jokic-like ceiling really out of the question? 

Post#48 » by ThatBoyNick » Fri Jan 5, 2024 1:21 am

TheFire wrote:How’s his mid range shooting compared to Jokic’s?


He's got an elite mid-range jumper, but Jokics is better

8-16 ft shots - Jokic (3.3 attempts per) 58% / Sengun (2.6 attempts per) 53.7%
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Re: Alperen Sengun is anchoring a top 5 defense. Is Jokic-like ceiling really out of the question? 

Post#49 » by baldur » Fri Jan 5, 2024 1:43 am

jokics dont grow up on trees my boys and saying this as a huge sengun fan.

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