hoosierdaddy34 wrote:Showtime:Part2 wrote:hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
They all do that.
Phil never won without a MJ or Kobe. Riley never won a chip without Magic or LeBron.
You really going to give Spo credit over Jimmy for the Heats success? That’s a take I guess.
We’ve watched D’Antoni go from cursed out here to nba coach of the year. We’ve watched Brown go from hated here to great in Sacramento and coach of the year. We watched Vogel win a title and then scapegoated for roster issues, now he’s the head coach in Phoenix. Now they hate Ham. The Lakers fanbase are absolutely morons about coaches, We give them way too much blame for what has gone on when it’s always been a front office problem. All of those dudes are good coaches with the right roster. So is Ty Lue and Monte Williams, and Ime Udoka and Nick Nurse, Eric Spoelstra and Greg Popovich and the list goes on and on. They will win with the right roster and won’t win with the wrong one.
All coaches watch tape and formulate schemes. And I didn’t say player development is their only job, I said it’s the one area they have the most impact in the future success of the team. Spo stands out in development of marginal players to make great nba role players. Ham has a great staff of player development guys which is why I’m bullish about his future here.
But I stand by my statement, history has shown a coach is only as good as his roster. And that the front office, and building the correct roster, is vastly more important to a teams success.
1) yes it’s definitely as much spo as it’s jimmy you’re nuts. That roster is devoid of talent.
2) so according to you there’s no such thing as a bad coach. Why don’t they just hire me for 1 mill a year, I’ll get the job done ya? Ur nuts man, ham doesn’t even know when to call a time out
I’m here to break it to you, the Heat fall a lot farther if Butler leaves next year than if Spo does. The Lakers far better if they added Jaren Jackson than they would if they added Phil Jackson. Stop putting coaches on the same level as great players. They aren’t remotely.
Sure you have to reach a certain level of competence. But at the nba level, a large number of the coaches are of the same skill level. Ham included. Again our fan base is nuts with its over criticism of the coaches.
That’s not the way this works. You obviously don’t replace prime lebron with Phil Jackson and expect team to be neutral. Terrible argument. You’re comparing coaches to other coaches and what impact they have. The top of the nba isn’t that different in talent. What separates team success is having coaches like doc rivers (if you bring up the 08 ring rmr that was the year he had thibs as assistant doing all his defensive schemes and bos was a goat defensive team that year) or mark Jackson or Darvin ham vs coaches like spo, Kerr (I mean legit same early playoff exit team diff coach year after mark Jackson leaves becomes dynasty???), brad Stevens, etc… hell if we had Vogel I think we make the finals. Someone who didn’t think it would be a good idea to go under every screen and play drop and leave Murray, mpj, and Kcp WIDE open bc they were scared of a joker layup. Someone who didn’t play dlo when the other teams coach and players came out after game 1 and said they were hunting dlo. Each game decided by 10 points or less basically. A better coach gets you over the hump. You are blind if you think we replace Phil w dantoni and win as many rings as we did. Sht is decided on the margins in the playoffs. Being lackadaisical about it, especially when there are no salary cap constraints for coaching, is really stupid
Ham might legit be a bottom 5 coach in the nba. He stubbornly played Malik beaseley starter minutes for a good majority of the season since the trade. He refused to play backup centers (I know bamba sucks but you gotta give guys run to gel w the team and see what you’ve got and if you can give beaseley 30 mins to brick 3s and play no d you can sure as sht give Mo 10 mins instead of dnps to see if he belongs on this team), and just look how badly we got outscored without AD in the game consistently. He was rolling Gabriel out at the 5 when it yielded the other team a bucket every possession. He benched hachimura after the guy played well in the reg season. In the playoffs, per nba stats, rui held joker to 40% fg shooting when matchup up w joker and yet we only played them for 6 mpg (total 25 minutes) against each other for the series. Do you rmr at the end of game 1, we all thought we had something when rui shut down jokic and ad came out roaming and we came back? Then game two inexplicably we went completely away from it and went back to AD on joker. If Austin Reaves doesn’t explode in the second half and bail out this team (and just addition by subtraction of Westbrook gone), you’d be calling for his head too but you don’t have the ability to see the minutiae of what coaching impacts (as you yourself said you clearly think it doesn’t make a difference). Having a Anthony Davis, lbj, and the leagues leading guard in efficienncy can mask a lot of problems with our decision making but come playoffs those problems show against the elite teams. Maybe your aspiration is just to lose to den in the ecf every year idk. Bottom line: schemes and rotations matter in the post season