Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24 – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET)

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Not gonna lie, I think Brad knows that he may have cost the Celtics a championship last season by not using the Fournier TPE. Seems like he doesn't want to make that mistake again - and perhaps now has more of a green light than ever to make a move to put us over the top.

I think you might be over analyzing this. He's just managing the egos of the players on the roster. It's much cleaner for the team chemistry to say he'll add to the team via a TPE than say "yeah we are looking to ship some guys out to bring in some new player(s)".

IDK, maybe.

It just seems like last year Brad kept downplaying the Fournier TPE. Seemed like he kept hinting in the media that we weren't gonna use it.

But now this report indicates that Brad says "the number 1 tool we have is the TPE"...interesting contrast..

His views about total spending have changed significantly since Jrue Holiday became available.

[TatumMVP]

Day'Ron Sharpe is interesting player.

[celtxman]

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Not gonna lie, I think Brad knows that he may have cost the Celtics a championship last season by not using the Fournier TPE. Seems like he doesn't want to make that mistake again - and perhaps now has more of a green light than ever to make a move to put us over the top.

The TPE under Stevens has by far been the weakest link of the options available for a GM. With only $6 million to work with this year, let's hope he can get something done.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Guessing the only thing we end up doing is something like Alec Burks , or maybe Bey, but he'd probably cost a little more , with an outside shot at cobbling together several guys for Delon Wright, but that one is doubtful in my view, so Burks or Bey. Nothing terribly exciting, but we really don't need a big splash.

[Hal14]

Guessing the only thing we end up doing is something like Alec Burks , or maybe Bey, but he'd probably cost a little more , with an outside shot at cobbling together several guys for Delon Wright, but that one is doubtful in my view, so Burks or Bey. Nothing terribly exciting, but we really don't need a big splash.

Burks makes $10.4 mil this season, so he'd likely only come if he gets bought out..

[Curmudgeon]

I don't see very many affordable wings who are better than Hauser, Brissett or Stevens.

If they want to win #18 Tatum and Brown will have to play better, and Porzingis and White need to stay healthy. Roster moves before next July (when Brown can be moved) are largely irrelevant.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Guessing the only thing we end up doing is something like Alec Burks , or maybe Bey, but he'd probably cost a little more , with an outside shot at cobbling together several guys for Delon Wright, but that one is doubtful in my view, so Burks or Bey. Nothing terribly exciting, but we really don't need a big splash.

Burks makes $10.4 mil this season, so he'd likely only come if he gets bought out..

Oh, you're absolutely correct. I mistakenly thought I had seen his salary at 4+ mil, so scratch him. So, it seems like Bey would be the most likely get, but then again, I would bet that Brad gets someone I'm not even thinking about before he gets Bey. No one else seems like an obvious target to me. Well, that's why Brad gets paid the big bucks.

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Gun to my head, probably Craig?? But is he that significant of an upgrade over Brissett?

Craig’s a little bigger than Konchar and also a solid rebounder but he’s similarly mediocre efficiency and bottom of the barrel volume scorer.

Somehow also has managed to be atrocious net +/- his entire career so that’s a fun perk.

[165bows]

What do they want this guy for? Just a backup for the Js? Is the ‘Tatum at small ball C’ experiment getting expanded? A defensive guy, bigger scorer etc?

If we knew the answer to some of that it would be easier to pin down.

[Cuban Pete]

Here's another proposed deal...

The Kings need a SG and they cannot continue with Fox as their leading scorer. If the Kings want a shot at contention, this might be their last chance. They haven't been to the Finals since they were the Rochester Royals in 1951, their only championship.

Warriors get: Kevin Huerter, Malik Monk, Davion Mitchell, JaVale McGee, Alex Len
2025 - Round 2 via POR
2025 - Round 2
2026 - Round 1
2028 - Round 1
2028 - Round 2
2030 - Round 1

Kings get: Klay Thompson

[Cuban Pete]

I still think Tillman is the logical choice for the Cs.

[Hal14]

Guessing the only thing we end up doing is something like Alec Burks , or maybe Bey, but he'd probably cost a little more , with an outside shot at cobbling together several guys for Delon Wright, but that one is doubtful in my view, so Burks or Bey. Nothing terribly exciting, but we really don't need a big splash.

Burks makes $10.4 mil this season, so he'd likely only come if he gets bought out..

Oh, you're absolutely correct. I mistakenly thought I had seen his salary at 4+ mil, so scratch him. So, it seems like Bey would be the most likely get, but then again, I would bet that Brad gets someone I'm not even thinking about before he gets Bey. No one else seems like an obvious target to me. Well, that's why Brad gets paid the big bucks.

Yeah at this point I'm thinking it's either Bey, Otto Porter Jr or Simone Fontecchio for a big wing who fits in the TPE and has a somewhat realistic chance of being traded for cheap..

[Rangeman]

Guess we need a big wing 6-9 to 6-11.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Burks makes $10.4 mil this season, so he'd likely only come if he gets bought out..

Oh, you're absolutely correct. I mistakenly thought I had seen his salary at 4+ mil, so scratch him. So, it seems like Bey would be the most likely get, but then again, I would bet that Brad gets someone I'm not even thinking about before he gets Bey. No one else seems like an obvious target to me. Well, that's why Brad gets paid the big bucks.

Yeah at this point I'm thinking it's either Bey, Otto Porter Jr or Simone Fontecchio for a big wing who fits in the TPE and has a somewhat realistic chance of being traded for cheap..

I don't know anything about Fontecchio. Porter's stats are really underwhelming. Would Bey come with Bird rights, or would he be strictly a rental? I'm not opposed to a rental in an all in year, which this absolutely should be.

Edit: After extensive research (this video) , I proclaim that Fontecchio is nice. I'd give Danny a couple of seconds for him. He good.

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[Cuban Pete]

Here's another one...

76ers get: Ja Morant

Grizzlies get: Marcus Morris, Nicolas Batum, Jaden Springer
and picks

Despite their record, the Sixers cannot compete with the Celtics and Joel Embiid is getting frustrated. Tyrese Maxey has been inconsistent this season and it's no coincidence that it's happened after James Harden's departure. Even though Maxey is built like one, he's playing out of position as a PG. He's a potential elite scorer/shooter who is best suited at the two spot. It's obvious that the Ja Morant era isn't going to bear fruit, especially in the rugged West. This trade is a golden opportunity for Memphis to dump salary while adding draft capital.

[Shak_Celts]

Here's another one...

76ers get: Ja Morant

Grizzlies get: Marcus Morris, Nicolas Batum, Jaden Springer
and picks

Despite their record, the Sixers cannot compete with the Celtics and Joel Embiid is getting frustrated. Tyrese Maxey has been inconsistent this season and it's no coincidence that it's happened after James Harden's departure. Even though Maxey is built like one, he's playing out of position as a PG. He's a potential elite scorer/shooter who is best suited at the two spot. It's obvious that the Ja Morant era isn't going to bear fruit, especially in the rugged West. This trade is a golden opportunity for Memphis to dump salary while adding draft capital.

LMAO ain’t no way in hell, even with his warts, that package will bring them Ja! If it does I’ll be more than shocked because many teams could and would try to beat that!

[cl2117]

Realistically if the weren't already on the team I think Brissett, Stevens and Svi would be solid targets for a "big wing". Of the guys that fit into the TPE and are obtainable, there's not really anyone that stands out as a massive upgrade over that trio.

Oshae in particular fits the bill really well. 6'7 but I think plays bigger because of his physicality. Jack of all trades master of none. Box score stats look great this year and the eye test suggests he's a hustle player who isn't going to get in the way of our studs. I have to imagine that's what Brad is looking for. We don't need more shooting, playmaking, defense in particular, so a guy who can do a bit of everything and just fill the space between the better players on the court makes perfect sense. I'm honestly surprised he hasn't been given more of a chance to carve out a more regular role.

Stevens as well jumps out. Not as big of a wing, but still plays bigger than his physical profile. More of a defensive focused option, which also works well given the rest of the roster. Svi makes the least sense because I think he needs the ball more than the others to be effective but if he's hot from three he could be really useful.

I don't think he's ready but Walsh could be a darkhorse in terms of an internal candidate for the role. He's got the physical profile and based on what we'd ask him to do, which would be very limited, he could still be an option. Similar to Queta it probably comes down to whether or not he can keep from fouling his way back to the bench or not.

I'm all for pushing our chips in and acquiring whomever Brad thinks helps us get over the hump, but there's a part of me that feels like Brad's mom and wants to say "No, we have big wings at home".

[hugepatsfan]

I think Otto Porter Jr. makes the most sense of guys realistically available for the TPE. His contract is one that TOR should be happy to shed without anything coming back other than salary relief. Championship-tested from his time against us with GS. Low usage player who teams need to respect from 3.

PF is a nice position for us to add depth because it's multi=faceted. We can play less of Horford/Porzingis together to use that depth to cover us at the C spot. Or we can use the extra PF depth to play Tatum at the 3 more slide guys down to provide relief on the wing and in the backcourt.

Looking around the options, I'm not sure we're realistically going to be able to upgrade over Hauser/Pritchard as our #7/#8 guys in the rotation. So it's about what you can add in behind them as a 9th guy to go to. Kornet/Queta show deficiencies on defense that likely phase them out of any playoff rotation. Brissett/Stevens are the type of weak or non shooters that defenses have made obsolete in the playoffs. OPJ fits the profile of someone who would be more playable in the playoffs than anyone else we have outside of the top 8 and should be available for basically nothing besides a bigger tax bill.

Tillman is interesting but we don't need the TPE for that. Just send them a min contract guy and however many 2nds you need to. If they would intend to seriously think about re-signing him that could be a nice move.

[hugepatsfan]

Realistically if the weren't already on the team I think Brissett, Stevens and Svi would be solid targets for a "big wing". Of the guys that fit into the TPE and are obtainable, there's not really anyone that stands out as a massive upgrade over that trio.

Oshae in particular fits the bill really well. 6'7 but I think plays bigger because of his physicality. Jack of all trades master of none. Box score stats look great this year and the eye test suggests he's a hustle player who isn't going to get in the way of our studs. I have to imagine that's what Brad is looking for. We don't need more shooting, playmaking, defense in particular, so a guy who can do a bit of everything and just fill the space between the better players on the court makes perfect sense. I'm honestly surprised he hasn't been given more of a chance to carve out a more regular role.

Stevens as well jumps out. Not as big of a wing, but still plays bigger than his physical profile. More of a defensive focused option, which also works well given the rest of the roster. Svi makes the least sense because I think he needs the ball more than the others to be effective but if he's hot from three he could be really useful.

I don't think he's ready but Walsh could be a darkhorse in terms of an internal candidate for the role. He's got the physical profile and based on what we'd ask him to do, which would be very limited, he could still be an option. Similar to Queta it probably comes down to whether or not he can keep from fouling his way back to the bench or not.

I'm all for pushing our chips in and acquiring whomever Brad thinks helps us get over the hump, but there's a part of me that feels like Brad's mom and wants to say "No, we have big wings at home".

Neither Brissett or Stevens will be playable in the playoffs IMO. If you're a wing that can't shoot we've seen time and time again that defenses will sag off of you to the point that it f's up the whole offense. It's a tale as old as time. That's just how it goes. Same with Queta and Kornet... bigs who can't defend the pick and roll can't stick in the playoff rotation. That's just what it is.

It's pretty foolish IMO to expect any of those guys to be any sort of factor in the playoffs.

[RickyDizzle]

Realistically if the weren't already on the team I think Brissett, Stevens and Svi would be solid targets for a "big wing". Of the guys that fit into the TPE and are obtainable, there's not really anyone that stands out as a massive upgrade over that trio.

Oshae in particular fits the bill really well. 6'7 but I think plays bigger because of his physicality. Jack of all trades master of none. Box score stats look great this year and the eye test suggests he's a hustle player who isn't going to get in the way of our studs. I have to imagine that's what Brad is looking for. We don't need more shooting, playmaking, defense in particular, so a guy who can do a bit of everything and just fill the space between the better players on the court makes perfect sense. I'm honestly surprised he hasn't been given more of a chance to carve out a more regular role.

Stevens as well jumps out. Not as big of a wing, but still plays bigger than his physical profile. More of a defensive focused option, which also works well given the rest of the roster. Svi makes the least sense because I think he needs the ball more than the others to be effective but if he's hot from three he could be really useful.

I don't think he's ready but Walsh could be a darkhorse in terms of an internal candidate for the role. He's got the physical profile and based on what we'd ask him to do, which would be very limited, he could still be an option. Similar to Queta it probably comes down to whether or not he can keep from fouling his way back to the bench or not.

I'm all for pushing our chips in and acquiring whomever Brad thinks helps us get over the hump, but there's a part of me that feels like Brad's mom and wants to say "No, we have big wings at home".

Neither Brissett or Stevens will be playable in the playoffs IMO. If you're a wing that can't shoot we've seen time and time again that defenses will sag off of you to the point that it f's up the whole offense. It's a tale as old as time. That's just how it goes. Same with Queta and Kornet... bigs who can't defend the pick and roll can't stick in the playoff rotation. That's just what it is.

It's pretty foolish IMO to expect any of those guys to be any sort of factor in the playoffs.

Don't think Brissett and Stevens are necessarily unplayable. Playing good defense is more important than shooting in the playoffs for spot minutes as a bench role player. Think you could play one of these for 3 or 4 minutes, get some tough D, offensive rebounds, maybe they make an open corner three maybe not. See how it goes and maybe play the same guy for 3 or 4 minutes in the second half, or if the first half didn't go well, you switch from Stevens to Brisset or vice versa.

Neither guy has really gotten a shot at this point in a steady role. I'd probably use the rest of the regular season to experiment with things and lower tatums minutes, see if one of those guys can emerge as a consistent bench contributor.