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Post#1541 » by twix2500 » Fri Jan 5, 2024 12:08 pm

I have always like Rozier to be here. However I do not think the Hornets are gonna a give him up for cheap. Heat have tried to get Rozier in the past and didn't do it because of the asking price whatever that was.

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Post#1542 » by BBallFreak » Fri Jan 5, 2024 12:23 pm

I love Rozier, but you're thinking this year and this year only. We have to put together a team next year and the second apron is a very real thing. Lowry expiring is our ticket to getting away from this thing as AirP. laid out beautifully.

Let's be careful about the moves we make.
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Post#1543 » by Beenie » Fri Jan 5, 2024 1:02 pm

Rozier can be gotten w/o giving up Lowry’s expiring by trading Herro.

And to make that swap worthwhile for Mia, the package would include Bridges (expiring) in exchange for Martin.

Trade solidifies Mia as legit contenders this season while also giving them flexibility in the offseason.

If Bridges, a bigger and more talented version of Martin, shows out, Mia can resign him and then reevaluate how they want to construct the roster moving forward.
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Post#1544 » by BBallFreak » Fri Jan 5, 2024 1:11 pm

Beenie wrote:Rozier can be gotten w/o giving up Lowry’s expiring by trading Herro.

And to make that swap worthwhile for Mia, the package would include Bridges (expiring) in exchange for Martin.

Trade solidifies Mia as legit contenders this season while also giving them flexibility in the offseason.

If Bridges, a bigger and more talented version of Martin, shows out, Mia can resign him and then reevaluate how they want to construct the roster moving forward.
I want no part of Bridges. That's just not the kind of human being I want on this team.
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Post#1545 » by gom » Fri Jan 5, 2024 1:47 pm

Miami is not giving up Lowry's expiring that gets them out of the luxury tax.

I'd pass on Rozier. He's putting up big numbers on a tanking team, and he won't get the ball half as much in Miami. I won't consider Bridges.

PJ Washington is a decent target if he's cheap. He's on a declining contract. Not a great DRT but he is big, switches on D, and has a good outside shot that would help Bam. Needs to develop better footwork and handling.
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Post#1546 » by Beenie » Fri Jan 5, 2024 2:41 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
Beenie wrote:Rozier can be gotten w/o giving up Lowry’s expiring by trading Herro.

And to make that swap worthwhile for Mia, the package would include Bridges (expiring) in exchange for Martin.

Trade solidifies Mia as legit contenders this season while also giving them flexibility in the offseason.

If Bridges, a bigger and more talented version of Martin, shows out, Mia can resign him and then reevaluate how they want to construct the roster moving forward.
I want no part of Bridges. That's just not the kind of human being I want on this team.


Not gonna make a moral argument against NBA players being restricted especially those who have already been punished and are trying to rehabilitate their status.

He’s lost out on millions already and may very well have to take a team friendly deal on his next contract that’s loaded with behavior clauses.

Regardless of the off the court issues, which btw is the only reason why Mia might have a shot at getting him, his basketball fit would be threw the roof.

Bridges would provide much needed athleticism and paint scoring while also being a 3 level scorer.

He’s a bigger and much better version of Martin whom Spo seemingly loves so sliding him into the 4 slot would be an easy fit.
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Post#1547 » by Kobewade11 » Fri Jan 5, 2024 3:10 pm

Beenie wrote:
Not gonna make a moral argument against NBA players being restricted especially those who have already been punished and are trying to rehabilitate their status.

He’s lost out on millions already and may very well have to take a team friendly deal on his next contract that’s loaded with behavior clauses.

Regardless of the off the court issues, which btw is the only reason why Mia might have a shot at getting him, his basketball fit would be threw the roof.

Bridges would provide much needed athleticism and paint scoring while also being a 3 level scorer.

He’s a bigger and much better version of Martin whom Spo seemingly loves so sliding him into the 4 slot would be an easy fit.


Bridges isnt happening.

“If he can’t work with the agents get a new GM who can”. Just getting that out of the way so it doesn’t need to be parroted by anyone. Not that team friendly deals are Rich Paul’s forte anyway.
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Post#1548 » by Beenie » Fri Jan 5, 2024 3:23 pm

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Beenie wrote:
Not gonna make a moral argument against NBA players being restricted especially those who have already been punished and are trying to rehabilitate their status.

He’s lost out on millions already and may very well have to take a team friendly deal on his next contract that’s loaded with behavior clauses.

Regardless of the off the court issues, which btw is the only reason why Mia might have a shot at getting him, his basketball fit would be threw the roof.

Bridges would provide much needed athleticism and paint scoring while also being a 3 level scorer.

He’s a bigger and much better version of Martin whom Spo seemingly loves so sliding him into the 4 slot would be an easy fit.


Bridges isnt happening.

“If he can’t work with the agents get a new GM who can”. Just getting that out of the way so it doesn’t need to be parroted by anyone. Not that team friendly deals are Rich Paul’s forte anyway.



Assuming that’s a Rich Paul quote

Im not one of those who believe that Mia has a unconditional policy of not doing business with Klutch

Trade isn’t likely to happen simply because 99.9999999…….. percent of all trade ideas don’t happen
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Post#1549 » by Kobewade11 » Fri Jan 5, 2024 3:27 pm

Beenie wrote:
Assuming that’s a Rich Paul quote

Im not one of those who believe that Mia has a unconditional policy of not doing business with Klutch

Trade isn’t likely to happen simply because 99.9999999…….. percent of all trade ideas don’t happen


Not a Rich Paul quote just something that gets spewed by Heat twitter. I tend to agree with the bolded but I think its very unlikely to be any real interest.
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Post#1550 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jan 5, 2024 3:28 pm

BBallFreak wrote:I love Rozier, but you're thinking this year and this year only. We have to put together a team next year and the second apron is a very real thing. Lowry expiring is our ticket to getting away from this thing as AirP. laid out beautifully.

Let's be careful about the moves we make.

The trade could possibly expand that could allow the Heat to retain financial flexibility. Gordon Hayward and his expiring deal could possibly come back here but Duncan’s 18 mil would have to be going to Charlotte.
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Post#1551 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jan 5, 2024 3:30 pm

I’m not even entertaining the idea of Bridges. I think Charlotte let’s that play out and eventually extends him.
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Post#1552 » by Beenie » Fri Jan 5, 2024 3:36 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:
Beenie wrote:
Assuming that’s a Rich Paul quote

Im not one of those who believe that Mia has a unconditional policy of not doing business with Klutch

Trade isn’t likely to happen simply because 99.9999999…….. percent of all trade ideas don’t happen


Not a Rich Paul quote just something that gets spewed by Heat twitter. I tend to agree with the bolded but I think its very unlikely to be any real interest.


So what’s the full context of the quote then?
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Post#1553 » by Beenie » Fri Jan 5, 2024 3:41 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:I’m not even entertaining the idea of Bridges. I think Charlotte let’s that play out and eventually extends him.


You don’t think they would entertain the idea of unloading the risk of Bridges in exchange of pairing Herro next to Ball?
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Post#1554 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jan 5, 2024 3:43 pm

If we are constructing trade ideas that help us get out of the super tax next year and upgrade our PG spot then a trade with Charlotte could look something like this. Charlotte eating Smith’s deal gets us 2 million away from the super tax allowing us to sign a vet prorate deal at buyout and convert a two way.

Lowry
Robinson
Martin
Smith(contract dump)

56.4 mil

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Rozier
Hayward

54.7 mil
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Post#1555 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jan 5, 2024 3:45 pm

Beenie wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:I’m not even entertaining the idea of Bridges. I think Charlotte let’s that play out and eventually extends him.


You don’t think they would entertain the idea of unloading the risk of Bridges in exchange of pairing Herro next to Ball?

We are not trading Herro to Charlotte for Rozier and Bridges. I don’t see that as a viable option.
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Post#1556 » by Kobewade11 » Fri Jan 5, 2024 3:47 pm

Beenie wrote:
Kobewade11 wrote:
Beenie wrote:
Assuming that’s a Rich Paul quote

Im not one of those who believe that Mia has a unconditional policy of not doing business with Klutch

Trade isn’t likely to happen simply because 99.9999999…….. percent of all trade ideas don’t happen


Not a Rich Paul quote just something that gets spewed by Heat twitter. I tend to agree with the bolded but I think its very unlikely to be any real interest.


So what’s the full context of the quote then?

The context is there are people that believe Miami has an unconditional policy of never working with Klutch, under the pretext that Riley is "incapable" and therefore we should have someone else running the basketball operations as to not miss out on certain players. I'm not going to rehash stuff from a decade ago, but given the way they tried to burn the house down on their way out in 2014 it wouldn't personally bother me at all if this organization never worked with Klutch...but that's just my opinion, I dont think the organization shares the same view. In fact agents have just as much power to steer their clients to and away from specific teams.
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Post#1557 » by Beenie » Fri Jan 5, 2024 3:58 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Beenie wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:I’m not even entertaining the idea of Bridges. I think Charlotte let’s that play out and eventually extends him.


You don’t think they would entertain the idea of unloading the risk of Bridges in exchange of pairing Herro next to Ball?

We are not trading Herro to Charlotte for Rozier and Bridges. I don’t see that as a viable option.


You initially implied that it’s a waste of time to consider this idea because Charlotte will likely extend Bridges, but now you are implying that Mia wouldn’t have an interest.

Trading for an upgrade at 1 and 4 is a popular discussion topic in the Heat community and for good reason.

But there’s also the challenge of managing the cap.

The idea checks the boxes fit and salary wise so I don’t see why it can’t be legitimately considered.
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Post#1558 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jan 5, 2024 4:03 pm

Beenie wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Beenie wrote:
You don’t think they would entertain the idea of unloading the risk of Bridges in exchange of pairing Herro next to Ball?

We are not trading Herro to Charlotte for Rozier and Bridges. I don’t see that as a viable option.


You initially implied that it’s a waste of time to consider this idea because Charlotte will likely extend Bridges, but now you are implying that Mia wouldn’t have an interest.

Trading for an upgrade at 1 and 4 is a popular discussion topic in the Heat community and for good reason.

But there’s also the challenge of managing the cap.

The idea checks the boxes fit and salary wise so I don’t see why it can’t be legitimately considered.

I’m just saying I don’t think the Heat are inclined to wanting to deal with Bridges as an opinion. His basketball fit would be great but sometimes when considering these trades it’s a lot more then that. Bridges is due a contract and i’m not sure we would be in a position to do or want too extend him especially at the sacrifice of Herro.
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Post#1559 » by Beenie » Fri Jan 5, 2024 4:06 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Beenie wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:We are not trading Herro to Charlotte for Rozier and Bridges. I don’t see that as a viable option.


You initially implied that it’s a waste of time to consider this idea because Charlotte will likely extend Bridges, but now you are implying that Mia wouldn’t have an interest.

Trading for an upgrade at 1 and 4 is a popular discussion topic in the Heat community and for good reason.

But there’s also the challenge of managing the cap.

The idea checks the boxes fit and salary wise so I don’t see why it can’t be legitimately considered.

I’m just saying I don’t think the Heat are inclined to wanting to deal with Bridges as an opinion. His basketball fit would be great but sometimes when considering these trades it’s a lot more then that. Bridges is due a contract and i’m not sure we would be in a position to do or want too extend him especially at the sacrifice of Herro.


Do u think Bridges is in a position to command as much money as Herro is currently getting?
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Post#1560 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jan 5, 2024 4:10 pm

Managing the cap and improving is proving to be a daunting task. A sacrifice is going to have to be made before the deadline. I just don’t see anyway around it. With the emergence of JJJ i feel like our wing spot is clogged and we sit here relying on the 38 year old Lowry to carry us to the promise land until be breaks down at the worst time and we are left with a wing in J Rich as our only backup PG.

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