Scoot Henderson

[JMAC3]

There's so much cope here. Bottom line is he had a rough start and like most young players he's improving. We can't really know what he's going to be or exactly how high his ceiling is until he stops improving. And that's likely not any time very soon. So if you and BigJ want to keep bringing us box scores and taking laps after every bad game or stretch of bad games, I'm here for it. At some point I think even you guys will get tired of it though. One can certainly hope, at least.

You and Clyde are out in full force when Scoot has a good game, I guess laptaking is a 1 way street that you aren't ever guilty of lol

I only come here to provide balance like Thanos. I said several times before when you stop lap taking so will I.

Yet if I try to make a comment that Scoot has made positive strides then I am coping or walking back my takes. LOL.
No pleasing you I see.

I will admit Scoot has been better but even at his very best this year he has been inefficient. He has zero games where he has shoot over 50% from the field.

[EvanZ]

I will admit Scoot has been better but even at his very best this year he has been inefficient. He has zero games where he has shoot over 50% from the field.

Did I add bar movers to the list yet.... I'm sure when he shoots over 50% you'll say he's never shot over 60% in a game.

[Big J]

His ceiling at this point is Wizards Westbrook. Your team isn’t going anywhere if he’s your number 1, and if he’s not dominating the ball he doesn’t offer you anything else.

[JMAC3]

I will admit Scoot has been better but even at his very best this year he has been inefficient. He has zero games where he has shoot over 50% from the field.

Did I add bar movers to the list yet.... I'm sure when he shoots over 50% you'll say he's never shot over 60% in a game.

Again, you have a problem with everything I do... I don't think 50% is some random number nor a high bar to hit.
It is honestly kind of sad how personal you try to make everything.

[clyde21]

I will admit Scoot has been better but even at his very best this year he has been inefficient. He has zero games where he has shoot over 50% from the field.

Did I add bar movers to the list yet.... I'm sure when he shoots over 50% you'll say he's never shot over 60% in a game.

Again, you have a problem with everything I do... I don't think 50% is some random number nor a high bar to hit.
It is honestly kind of sad how personal you try to make everything.

youve done nothing but pollute this thread with your garbage and then you play victim when you get called out

sit the **** down dog.

[Big J]

Did I add bar movers to the list yet.... I'm sure when he shoots over 50% you'll say he's never shot over 60% in a game.

Again, you have a problem with everything I do... I don't think 50% is some random number nor a high bar to hit.
It is honestly kind of sad how personal you try to make everything.

youve done nothing but pollute this thread with your garbage and then you play victim when you get called out

sit the **** down dog.

STFU dude, you're just butthurt that he's actually bringing facts into this conversation.

[RexBoyWonder]

Wonder if there's been a guard prospect that started his career at a Scoot like level (45 TS%, 1.46 A/TO Ratio) and became an Asllstar?

Only 24 games so very small sample, but interesting to think about other young high ceiling type guards that made huge improvements after shaky starts.

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This is not encouraging if you're hoping Scoot has Allstar potential.

I think the shot not falling is something one can hope improves, but the court vision doesn't seem to be there, at least not at a high enough level to mask the other issues.

Trae finished his rookie season with a 54%TS and a 2.2 A/TO ratio, I highly doubt scoot gets close to any of these numbers.

We'll see in the next few months, but so far I can't see indication of all-star potential. I think a small PG that doesn't bring graet shooting HAS TO bring great passing or slashing...you can't be mediocre.

[TheDraftGuy]

Wonder if there's been a guard prospect that started his career at a Scoot like level (45 TS%, 1.46 A/TO Ratio) and became an Asllstar?

Only 24 games so very small sample, but interesting to think about other young high ceiling type guards that made huge improvements after shaky starts.

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This is not encouraging if you're hoping Scoot has Allstar potential.

I think the shot not falling is something one can hope improves, but the court vision doesn't seem to be there, at least not at a high enough level to mask the other issues.

Trae finished his rookie season with a 54%TS and a 2.2 A/TO ratio, I highly doubt scoot gets close to any of these numbers.

We'll see in the next few months, but so far I can't see indication of all-star potential. I think a small PG that doesn't bring graet shooting HAS TO bring great passing or slashing...you can't be mediocre.

De'Aaron Fox was 48 TS% and 1.8 A/TO

Westbrook was 49 TS% and 1.6 A/TO

If I were to be generous here and use Scoot's stats from December onward, after his play improved and after he recovered a bit from the injury, he'd be 47 TS% and 1.6 A/TO which matches up with Westbrook.

Of course, Dennis Smith Jr. was similar with 47% and 1.8 A/TO so that doesn't mean much. But he shoots better FT% than Dennis Smith Jr. which could mean his jumpshot could work out well enough to make him a good player.

He might still become a Baron Davis/Westbrook hybrid, which is All-Star caliber. Probably not great and certainly not a championship player if he is to be ball dominant but the potential is there.

[zzaj]

Wonder if there's been a guard prospect that started his career at a Scoot like level (45 TS%, 1.46 A/TO Ratio) and became an Asllstar?

Only 24 games so very small sample, but interesting to think about other young high ceiling type guards that made huge improvements after shaky starts.

I read somewhere that Scoot and Billups are actually really close statistically through the early part of their respective first seasons—haven’t had a chance to really check on that though.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Scoot Henderson is at a 78 TS+, Fox had an 86 TS+ as a rookie, Westbrook had a 90 TS+

You need to adjust for how much harder it was to score in the past whenever you do historical comparisons.

[Blaze the Nugz]

Portland is an incredibly poor shooting team. By far the worst shooting team in the paint. If you watch the games, you will see that Scoot has several would-be assists blown by missed layups or missed wide open 3s every game. I haven't crunched the numbers, but I would venture a guess that given average team shooting, Scoot would have at least 2 A/TO. It's just another symptom of putting a 19 year old PG on a garbage team with garbage coaching.

[Colbinii]

Portland is an incredibly poor shooting team. By far the worst shooting team in the paint. If you watch the games, you will see that Scoot has several would-be assists blown by missed layups or missed wide open 3s every game. I haven't crunched the numbers, but I would venture a guess that given average team shooting, Scoot would have at least 2 A/TO. It's just another symptom of putting a 19 year old PG on a garbage team with garbage coaching.

Scoot currently averages 5.1 Assists per game, but 10.9 Potential Assists per game.

Damian Lillard and Kevin Durant both average exactly 10.9 Potential Assists per game, but 6.8 and 6.0 Assists per game. Dennis Schroeder averages 11.1 Potential Assists per game and 6.9 Assists per game while Bane, Draymond and Ingram are behind Scoot with 10.8 Potential Assists per game and average 5.4 and 5.8 Assists per game.

I think its fair to say Scoot is affected by shooting, but it really only amounts to 1 +/- .5 Assists per game, and nobody is going to change their evaluation of Scoot if he averaged 5.8 assists per game compared to 5.1 assists per game.

[Blaze the Nugz]

Portland is an incredibly poor shooting team. By far the worst shooting team in the paint. If you watch the games, you will see that Scoot has several would-be assists blown by missed layups or missed wide open 3s every game. I haven't crunched the numbers, but I would venture a guess that given average team shooting, Scoot would have at least 2 A/TO. It's just another symptom of putting a 19 year old PG on a garbage team with garbage coaching.

Scoot currently averages 5.1 Assists per game, but 10.9 Potential Assists per game.

Damian Lillard and Kevin Durant both average exactly 10.9 Potential Assists per game, but 6.8 and 6.0 Assists per game. Dennis Schroeder averages 11.1 Potential Assists per game and 6.9 Assists per game while Bane, Draymond and Ingram are behind Scoot with 10.8 Potential Assists per game and average 5.4 and 5.8 Assists per game.

I think its fair to say Scoot is affected by shooting, but it really only amounts to 1 +/- .5 Assists per game, and nobody is going to change their evaluation of Scoot if he averaged 5.8 assists per game compared to 5.1 assists per game.

My point is that while his A/TO ratio is an issue, it isn't as a bad as it looks.

[Colbinii]

Portland is an incredibly poor shooting team. By far the worst shooting team in the paint. If you watch the games, you will see that Scoot has several would-be assists blown by missed layups or missed wide open 3s every game. I haven't crunched the numbers, but I would venture a guess that given average team shooting, Scoot would have at least 2 A/TO. It's just another symptom of putting a 19 year old PG on a garbage team with garbage coaching.

Scoot currently averages 5.1 Assists per game, but 10.9 Potential Assists per game.

Damian Lillard and Kevin Durant both average exactly 10.9 Potential Assists per game, but 6.8 and 6.0 Assists per game. Dennis Schroeder averages 11.1 Potential Assists per game and 6.9 Assists per game while Bane, Draymond and Ingram are behind Scoot with 10.8 Potential Assists per game and average 5.4 and 5.8 Assists per game.

I think its fair to say Scoot is affected by shooting, but it really only amounts to 1 +/- .5 Assists per game, and nobody is going to change their evaluation of Scoot if he averaged 5.8 assists per game compared to 5.1 assists per game.

My point is that while his A/TO ratio is an issue, it isn't as a bad as it looks.

So instead of 1.6 its 1.8.

Cool.

[Blaze the Nugz]

Scoot currently averages 5.1 Assists per game, but 10.9 Potential Assists per game.

Damian Lillard and Kevin Durant both average exactly 10.9 Potential Assists per game, but 6.8 and 6.0 Assists per game. Dennis Schroeder averages 11.1 Potential Assists per game and 6.9 Assists per game while Bane, Draymond and Ingram are behind Scoot with 10.8 Potential Assists per game and average 5.4 and 5.8 Assists per game.

I think its fair to say Scoot is affected by shooting, but it really only amounts to 1 +/- .5 Assists per game, and nobody is going to change their evaluation of Scoot if he averaged 5.8 assists per game compared to 5.1 assists per game.

My point is that while his A/TO ratio is an issue, it isn't as a bad as it looks.

So instead of 1.6 its 1.8.

Cool.

If we're splitting hairs then 1.9, but yeah... >15% increase is indeed statistically significant.

[EvanZ]

Probably not many 19-year olds with a 10 ast 1 TOV game under their belts.


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[Braggins]

The four top PGs from this class are kind of all over the place. Wallace and Black barely handle the ball because they are playing limited roles on playoff teams. Scoot and George are both getting lots of playmaking duties on bad teams, but Utah is significantly better on offense than Portland. OKC is also a lot better on offense than Orlando.

Scoot Henderson: 6.7 ast/75 ~ 1.57 ast/to
Keyonte George: 6.5 ast/75 ~ 2.15 ast/to
Anthony Black: 3.2 ast/75 ~ 1.74 ast/to
Cason Wallace: 2.5 ast/75 ~ 3.19 ast/to

Scoot and Wallace had the best ast/to in their last pre-NBA seasons of those guys, at around 2/1 and Scoot had the best ast/75 by a decent margin at 7.7. Scoot has the best vision of the class imo. I'm not too worried about the TOs yet.

edit: throwing in the top drafted wings for fun

Spoiler:

Amen Thompson: 4.3 ast/75 ~ 1.75 ast/to (only 240 minutes played, also could consider a PG)
Ausar Thompson: 3.2 ast/75 ~ 1.42 ast/to
Brandon Miller: 2.6 ast/75 ~ 1.31 ast/to

[Braggins]

Scoot Henderson ~ 19.9 yrs
per75 possession: 16.0 pts ~ 3.8 reb ~ 6.6 ast ~ 0.8 stl ~ 0.4 blk ~ 4.2 tov ~ 4.5 pf
40.2% 2pt (10.7 2pta) ~ 30.8% 3pt (5.2 3pta) ~ 76.8% ft (3.4 fta) ~ 1.57 ast/tov

10 game splits

Spoiler:

1-10
per game: 25.1 min ~ 9.2 pts ~ 2.7 reb ~ 4.2 ast ~ 0.5 stl ~ 0.1 blk ~ 3.4 tov ~ 4.1 pf
42.6% 2pt (6.1 2pta) ~ 22.0% 3pt (4.1 3pta) ~ 68.4% ft (1.9 fta) ~ 1.24 ast/tov

11-20
per game: 27.3 min ~ 13.0 pts ~ 2.5 reb ~ 4.7 ast ~ 0.6 stl ~ 0.3 blk ~ 2.5 tov ~ 3.3 pf
43.5% 2pt (8.5 2pta) ~ 29.4% 3pt (3.4 3pta) ~ 86.7% ft (3.0 fta) ~ 1.88 ast/tov

21-27
per game: 32.4 min ~ 15.1 pts ~ 3.9 reb ~ 6.6 ast ~ 0.7 stl ~ 0.4 blk ~ 3.9 tov ~ 2.7 pf
34.7% 2pt (12.0 2pta) ~ 43.8% 3pt (4.6 3pta) ~ 70.0% ft (2.9 fta) ~ 1.70 ast/tov

Brandon Miller ~ 21.1 yrs
per75 possession: 17.0 pts ~ 4.6 reb ~ 2.6 ast ~ 0.8 stl ~ 0.6 blk ~ 2.0 tov ~ 3.3 pf
45.5% 2pt (8.8 2pta) ~ 36.8% 3pt (6.4 3pta) ~ 82.1% ft (2.2 fta) ~ 1.31 ast/tov

10 game splits

Spoiler:

1-10
per game: 28.7 min ~ 12.5 pts ~ 4.2 reb ~ 1.7 ast ~ 0.5 stl ~ 0.5 blk ~ 0.9 tov ~ 3.1 pf
54.2% 2pt (7.2 2pta) ~ 25.6% 3pt (3.9 3pta) ~ 73.9% ft (2.3 fta) ~ 1.89 ast/tov

11-20
per game: 35.3 min ~ 17.1 pts ~ 4.0 reb ~ 2.7 ast ~ 0.9 stl ~ 0.6 blk ~ 2.4 tov ~ 2.9 pf
41.6% 2pt (7.7 2pta) ~ 49.2% 3pt (6.3 3pta) ~ 93.3% ft (1.5 fta) ~ 1.13 ast/tov

21-30
per game: 29.0 min ~ 13.4 pts ~ 3.4 reb ~ 2.3 ast ~ 0.6 stl ~ 0.4 blk ~ 1.8 tov ~ 2.3 pf
41.3% 2pt (7.5 2pta) ~ 31.1% 3pt (6.1 3pta) ~ 83.3% ft (1.8 fta) ~ 1.28 ast/tov

[JMAC3]

Scoot Henderson ~ 19.9 yrs
per75 possession: 16.0 pts ~ 3.8 reb ~ 6.6 ast ~ 0.8 stl ~ 0.4 blk ~ 4.2 tov ~ 4.5 pf
40.2% 2pt (10.7 2pta) ~ 30.8% 3pt (5.2 3pta) ~ 76.8% ft (3.4 fta) ~ 1.57 ast/tov

10 game splits

Spoiler:

1-10
per game: 25.1 min ~ 9.2 pts ~ 2.7 reb ~ 4.2 ast ~ 0.5 stl ~ 0.1 blk ~ 3.4 tov ~ 4.1 pf
42.6% 2pt (6.1 2pta) ~ 22.0% 3pt (4.1 3pta) ~ 68.4% ft (1.9 fta) ~ 1.24 ast/tov

11-20
per game: 27.3 min ~ 13.0 pts ~ 2.5 reb ~ 4.7 ast ~ 0.6 stl ~ 0.3 blk ~ 2.5 tov ~ 3.3 pf
43.5% 2pt (8.5 2pta) ~ 29.4% 3pt (3.4 3pta) ~ 86.7% ft (3.0 fta) ~ 1.88 ast/tov

21-27
per game: 32.4 min ~ 15.1 pts ~ 3.9 reb ~ 6.6 ast ~ 0.7 stl ~ 0.4 blk ~ 3.9 tov ~ 2.7 pf
34.7% 2pt (12.0 2pta) ~ 43.8% 3pt (4.6 3pta) ~ 70.0% ft (2.9 fta) ~ 1.70 ast/tov

Brandon Miller ~ 21.1 yrs
per75 possession: 17.0 pts ~ 4.6 reb ~ 2.6 ast ~ 0.8 stl ~ 0.6 blk ~ 2.0 tov ~ 3.3 pf
45.5% 2pt (8.8 2pta) ~ 36.8% 3pt (6.4 3pta) ~ 82.1% ft (2.2 fta) ~ 1.31 ast/tov

10 game splits

Spoiler:

1-10
per game: 28.7 min ~ 12.5 pts ~ 4.2 reb ~ 1.7 ast ~ 0.5 stl ~ 0.5 blk ~ 0.9 tov ~ 3.1 pf
54.2% 2pt (7.2 2pta) ~ 25.6% 3pt (3.9 3pta) ~ 73.9% ft (2.3 fta) ~ 1.89 ast/tov

11-20
per game: 35.3 min ~ 17.1 pts ~ 4.0 reb ~ 2.7 ast ~ 0.9 stl ~ 0.6 blk ~ 2.4 tov ~ 2.9 pf
41.6% 2pt (7.7 2pta) ~ 49.2% 3pt (6.3 3pta) ~ 93.3% ft (1.5 fta) ~ 1.13 ast/tov

21-30
per game: 29.0 min ~ 13.4 pts ~ 3.4 reb ~ 2.3 ast ~ 0.6 stl ~ 0.4 blk ~ 1.8 tov ~ 2.3 pf
41.3% 2pt (7.5 2pta) ~ 31.1% 3pt (6.1 3pta) ~ 83.3% ft (1.8 fta) ~ 1.28 ast/tov

or if you want to make life easier
Scoot 42.2% EFG
Miller 50.1% EFG

[Big J]

He was a freaking -56 today +/- today. You can't make this kind of **** up. Dude is a joke. Regardless of what you think he's gonna turn into if you were pumping this guy pre draft as hard as some dudes were you don't know what you're talking about.