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Re: Jett Howard assigned to G-League 

Post#241 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:04 pm

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Knightro wrote:I think Jett is going to be fine. He can shoot and shooters always have a place in the league.

The real questions are...

How long is it going to take?

Was there somebody else they could have picked that would have been better?


Impossible to tell right now but Lively, Podziemski, George, Jaquez

could add whitmore to this list but thats about it IMO. think Podz, George & Whitmore were mocks to us at some point.

still baffles me they took Howard but you know that Michigan pull is huge apparently.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Post#242 » by yoyojw17 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 7:05 pm

eyriq wrote:Keyonte is a stud, that combination of shooting and playmaking is legit. Jett lacks athleticism and motor.


I'm guessing Black lacks motor as well? He's got playing time... and isn't wowing noone minus good defense and playing his role. But I can still project more and more from him and be hopeful that he will impact both sides of the court.

Not sure where you are getting these conclusions from. How much can you really get from 9 games with 4 min average playing time... sporadically in garbage minutes at the end of the game. thats 36 min of court time he has had.

Keyonte has been HANDED 26 min in 28 games due to injury and possibly now development time. 11 point on 37% shooting isn't a stud yet either. There is no need to rush jett as we have ample players ahead of him. we are a winning position and that's the goal. G-league is so that he can take his training and put it into practical usage in games as primary player.

Jaime Jaquez is turning 23 in 1 month.... nearly 3 years older than George and Howard.

Lively gets to come in and play his role as a physical bigman.

no one knows where these players are going to end up



He seems fin athletically... but he is definitely not being shot out of a cannon. also... that trigger is quick... especially at 6'8". His defense come around and i can see all of the these skills in the video being helpful for us.... "In the future"
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Re: Jett Howard assigned to G-League 

Post#243 » by eyriq » Tue Jan 2, 2024 7:36 pm

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eyriq wrote:Keyonte is a stud, that combination of shooting and playmaking is legit. Jett lacks athleticism and motor.


I'm guessing Black lacks motor as well? He's got playing time... and isn't wowing noone minus good defense and playing his role. But I can still project more and more from him and be hopeful that he will impact both sides of the court.

Not sure where you are getting these conclusions from. How much can you really get from 9 games with 4 min average playing time... sporadically in garbage minutes at the end of the game. thats 36 min of court time he has had.

Keyonte has been HANDED 26 min in 28 games due to injury and possibly now development time. 11 point on 37% shooting isn't a stud yet either. There is no need to rush jett as we have ample players ahead of him. we are a winning position and that's the goal. G-league is so that he can take his training and put it into practical usage in games as primary player.

Jaime Jaquez is turning 23 in 1 month.... nearly 3 years older than George and Howard.

Lively gets to come in and play his role as a physical bigman.

no one knows where these players are going to end up



He seems fin athletically... but he is definitely not being shot out of a cannon. also... that trigger is quick... especially at 6'8". His defense come around and i can see all of the these skills in the video being helpful for us.... "In the future"
Black and Keyonte were clear lotto talents by my estimation and are performing well as rookies. Jett was a poor prospect and is in the g league. More information will change my opinion if warranted but I don't like Jett now and didn't like him before.
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Re: Jett Howard assigned to G-League 

Post#244 » by drsd » Tue Jan 2, 2024 9:34 pm

Orlando drafted Andre Jackson Jr. and traded this 2nd-round pick to the Bucks. He has played very well in his role.

Nice to see the kid stepping up in a similar circumstance that Black has had to for Orlando.

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Post#245 » by Skybox » Tue Jan 2, 2024 9:35 pm

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eyriq wrote:Keyonte is a stud, that combination of shooting and playmaking is legit. Jett lacks athleticism and motor.


I'm guessing Black lacks motor as well? He's got playing time... and isn't wowing noone minus good defense and playing his role. But I can still project more and more from him and be hopeful that he will impact both sides of the court.

Not sure where you are getting these conclusions from. How much can you really get from 9 games with 4 min average playing time... sporadically in garbage minutes at the end of the game. thats 36 min of court time he has had.

Keyonte has been HANDED 26 min in 28 games due to injury and possibly now development time. 11 point on 37% shooting isn't a stud yet either. There is no need to rush jett as we have ample players ahead of him. we are a winning position and that's the goal. G-league is so that he can take his training and put it into practical usage in games as primary player.

Jaime Jaquez is turning 23 in 1 month.... nearly 3 years older than George and Howard.

Lively gets to come in and play his role as a physical bigman.

no one knows where these players are going to end up



He seems fin athletically... but he is definitely not being shot out of a cannon. also... that trigger is quick... especially at 6'8". His defense come around and i can see all of the these skills in the video being helpful for us.... "In the future"


Man, that release is pure :nod: Whatever flaws they're working on...I hope they work through them. His release is lightning, even with guys flying at him.

It helped with the headache I got watching Fultz's warmup shots in PHX. The hitch is back...I feel for the guy.
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Post#246 » by yoyojw17 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 9:40 pm

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yoyojw17 wrote:
eyriq wrote:Keyonte is a stud, that combination of shooting and playmaking is legit. Jett lacks athleticism and motor.


I'm guessing Black lacks motor as well? He's got playing time... and isn't wowing noone minus good defense and playing his role. But I can still project more and more from him and be hopeful that he will impact both sides of the court.

Not sure where you are getting these conclusions from. How much can you really get from 9 games with 4 min average playing time... sporadically in garbage minutes at the end of the game. thats 36 min of court time he has had.

Keyonte has been HANDED 26 min in 28 games due to injury and possibly now development time. 11 point on 37% shooting isn't a stud yet either. There is no need to rush jett as we have ample players ahead of him. we are a winning position and that's the goal. G-league is so that he can take his training and put it into practical usage in games as primary player.

Jaime Jaquez is turning 23 in 1 month.... nearly 3 years older than George and Howard.

Lively gets to come in and play his role as a physical bigman.

no one knows where these players are going to end up



He seems fin athletically... but he is definitely not being shot out of a cannon. also... that trigger is quick... especially at 6'8". His defense come around and i can see all of the these skills in the video being helpful for us.... "In the future"
Black and Keyonte were clear lotto talents by my estimation and are performing well as rookies. Jett was a poor prospect and is in the g league. More information will change my opinion if warranted but I don't like Jett now and didn't like him before.

He was a poor prospect because.... everyone wasn't hanging off of his jock? well George was hyped up and crashed due to poor performance... think there were injuries as well.

15.3 point on 12.5 FGA 42.4% from 2 (5.6 2PA) 33.8% (6.9 3PA) oh ... and 2.8 asst on a ridiculous 30.8% usage rate....luckily he went to the lin 6.4 times per game...not great at or deserving of a 11th pick... unless you thought it was a fluke. Cole had a down year in a similar manner as well and a hyped player went around the 15/16 range.

105.1 ORtg 104.9 DRtg
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/keyonte-george-1.html

To my knowledge.... Jett was injured in january and still came back to continue playing... and his numbers ended up not too shabby.... 14.2 point on 11.4 shots 49.6% from 2 (4.1 2PA) 36.9% (7.3 3PA) oh ... and 2.0 asst on a 23.0% usage rate.... and secondary/tertiary ball handler.

113.1 ORtg 106.2 DRtg

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jett-howard-1.html

So... if you're strictly looking at the numbers... why couldn't jett be in the conversation during an injured season? Also.... from what i also understood... jett was actually recruited for his defense.... and somehow someone shifted the 2K dial to shooting more. So... if he does have potential as a defender and shooter at 6'8".... while still possessing some playmaking skills... i don't see why the issue.... or is it just cuz... "The experts didn't rank him highly"?

needless to say... i see no reason that both of these players can't turn into great players.... but we shouldn't just be comparing the "what ifs" and calling players unworthy this early in their careers.
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Re: Jett Howard assigned to G-League 

Post#247 » by eyriq » Tue Jan 2, 2024 9:47 pm

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yoyojw17 wrote:
I'm guessing Black lacks motor as well? He's got playing time... and isn't wowing noone minus good defense and playing his role. But I can still project more and more from him and be hopeful that he will impact both sides of the court.

Not sure where you are getting these conclusions from. How much can you really get from 9 games with 4 min average playing time... sporadically in garbage minutes at the end of the game. thats 36 min of court time he has had.

Keyonte has been HANDED 26 min in 28 games due to injury and possibly now development time. 11 point on 37% shooting isn't a stud yet either. There is no need to rush jett as we have ample players ahead of him. we are a winning position and that's the goal. G-league is so that he can take his training and put it into practical usage in games as primary player.

Jaime Jaquez is turning 23 in 1 month.... nearly 3 years older than George and Howard.

Lively gets to come in and play his role as a physical bigman.

no one knows where these players are going to end up



He seems fin athletically... but he is definitely not being shot out of a cannon. also... that trigger is quick... especially at 6'8". His defense come around and i can see all of the these skills in the video being helpful for us.... "In the future"
Black and Keyonte were clear lotto talents by my estimation and are performing well as rookies. Jett was a poor prospect and is in the g league. More information will change my opinion if warranted but I don't like Jett now and didn't like him before.

He was a poor prospect because.... everyone wasn't hanging off of his jock? well George was hyped up and crashed due to poor performance... think there were injuries as well.

15.3 point on 12.5 FGA 42.4% from 2 (5.6 2PA) 33.8% (6.9 3PA) oh ... and 2.8 asst on a ridiculous 30.8% usage rate....luckily he went to the lin 6.4 times per game...not great at or deserving of a 11th pick... unless you thought it was a fluke. Cole had a down year in a similar manner as well and a hyped player went around the 15/16 range.

105.1 ORtg 104.9 DRtg
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/keyonte-george-1.html

To my knowledge.... Jett was injured in january and still came back to continue playing... and his numbers ended up not too shabby.... 14.2 point on 11.4 shots 49.6% from 2 (4.1 2PA) 36.9% (7.3 3PA) oh ... and 2.0 asst on a 23.0% usage rate.... and secondary/tertiary ball handler.

113.1 ORtg 106.2 DRtg

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jett-howard-1.html

So... if you're strictly looking at the numbers... why couldn't jett be in the conversation during an injured season? Also.... from what i also understood... jett was actually recruited for his defense.... and somehow someone shifted the 2K dial to shooting more. So... if he does have potential as a defender and shooter at 6'8".... while still possessing some playmaking skills... i don't see why the issue.... or is it just cuz... "The experts didn't rank him highly"?

needless to say... i see no reason that both of these players can't turn into great players.... but we shouldn't just be comparing the "what ifs" and calling players unworthy this early in their careers.
I think you make a compelling case for him, and this is likely what Weltman was thinking at the time. I can't be right about everything (it shocks me every time) and will eat crow as it is served, and normally I take the optimistic viewpoint but I just don't like Jett's game.
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Post#248 » by cedric76 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 10:23 pm

Jett is be a very good NBA player, je ticks many boxes
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Post#249 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Jan 3, 2024 3:14 pm

Still not seeing with Jett's performance but I haven't stopped rooting for him.
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Post#250 » by Skin » Thu Jan 4, 2024 1:16 am

eyriq wrote:Jett lacks athleticism and motor.

Where does this even come from? The guy has played a total of 6 min in the last month. Lol
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Post#251 » by Bensational » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:25 am

Jett still has such slow moving legs, but strangely he has really quick arms. His handle is tight and low and his crossover just whips side to side and his arms pull into shooting motion like a reflex. If he can use the speed difference to add some shift to his game, he might be able to get some more separation. Maybe even a Harden step back or something.
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Post#252 » by Rainwater » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:26 am

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eyriq wrote:Jett lacks athleticism and motor.

Where does this even come from? The guy has played a total of 6 min in the last month. Lol


Yeah, he is not the most athletic but I don't know how you can be critical of his motor if he doesn't even play.
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Post#253 » by SOUL » Thu Jan 4, 2024 7:27 am

Bensational wrote:Jett still has such slow moving legs, but strangely he has really quick arms. His handle is tight and low and his crossover just whips side to side and his arms pull into shooting motion like a reflex. If he can use the speed difference to add some shift to his game, he might be able to get some more separation. Maybe even a Harden step back or something.


It looks like he has like wide hips or something like it's hard for him to move as quick laterally
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Post#254 » by AaronB » Fri Jan 5, 2024 4:32 am

Bensational wrote:Jett still has such slow moving legs, but strangely he has really quick arms. His handle is tight and low and his crossover just whips side to side and his arms pull into shooting motion like a reflex. If he can use the speed difference to add some shift to his game, he might be able to get some more separation. Maybe even a Harden step back or something.


This is exactly what I saw.

To be honest, I suspect a lack of elite conditioning.

This is where he will need to harness some sort of internal drive.

If he can find that somewhere, the sky is the limit for him and people will be asking how he lasted until the 11th pick?
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Post#255 » by Knightro » Fri Jan 5, 2024 2:36 pm

The weird thing about Jett being in the G-League right now and not with the Magic is that Osceola has had the last five days off.

Feels like the Magic could have had Jett go on this road trip if they wanted to.
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Post#256 » by JoshuaPotter » Fri Jan 5, 2024 2:41 pm

Knightro wrote:The weird thing about Jett being in the G-League right now and not with the Magic is that Osceola has had the last five days off.

Feels like the Magic could have had Jett go on this road trip if they wanted to.

Could have gotten him a bus ticket at that rate.

Train station hopping.

Flown him coach.

Rented him a car and told him to expense miles according to the expense policy of the org....

Rest it is.
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Post#257 » by pepe1991 » Fri Jan 5, 2024 3:53 pm

I assume they wanted to trade a pick, couldn't get desired value, drafted him due who his father is and from day one had no clue what execlly do with him.

Him, as prospect, never did anything in college to granted him lottery selection. He, much like Okeke, pretty much has no position to play in nba, against higher level players (starters). His athletic profile is very limited. That's why he skipped entire draft combine, including most basic stuff like measurments.
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Post#258 » by Skybox » Fri Jan 5, 2024 4:10 pm

I'm not choosing to die defending Jett Hill....but, if he's not getting a sniff of PT when our whole team is out...I have to question the pick. I keep calling for him because I WANT him to be ready...Obviously, I don't know if he is. The pick was a surprise that, at the time, we can find ways to rationalize and get excited about. I never assume I know more than the FO...but it really shouldn't be hard to find a guy that can shoot (even if nothing else) at #11 in what is considered to be a great draft class.

On the other hand, the obvious choice was Dick and he's nowhere to be found either...crazy. I liked Hawkins and Lively, but I really liked trading for a vet. I don't know what they're cooking up, but it would sure seem like he'd be ahead of Queen in the hierarchy.
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Post#259 » by yoyojw17 » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:02 pm

pepe1991 wrote:I assume they wanted to trade a pick, couldn't get desired value, drafted him due who his father is and from day one had no clue what execlly do with him.

Him, as prospect, never did anything in college to granted him lottery selection. He, much like Okeke, pretty much has no position to play in nba, against higher level players (starters). His athletic profile is very limited. That's why he skipped entire draft combine, including most basic stuff like measurments.


With all of the work that these guys put into their preparation.... I REALLY doubt it could be that simplified. The mere fact that they "reached".... they did it because they most likely did their research. Just cuz you or I don't see it yet... doesn't mean that they are wrong.
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Post#260 » by fendilim » Fri Jan 5, 2024 9:22 pm

I’m not concerned with Jett as an NBA player, I think he has what it takes to have a decent career in the NBA.

I’m just dumbfounded how we are managing his minutes.

Let’s face it, when the season started, AB was actually a 3rd stringer who suddenly got the opportunity when Fultz went down. There really was no minutes for AB to play, originally.

With Joe out, sure we promote another 3rd stringer in Caleb and he is getting major minutes.

Now with Franz out, we’re seeing Queen instead of Jett? A d-leaguer? LOL.

From Joe to Caleb, there is a big drop off on offense. Joe is a ballhandler and an offensive initiator, Caleb simply stands in the corner and wait for a pass. Jett on the other hand has a reputation of an offensive option out of college and a better ball handler than Caleb.

And we are still giving Queen minutes instead??? There is more investment on Jett than Queen, I find it absurd how we aren’t recalling Jett atm.
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