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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#941 » by Hal14 » Fri Jan 5, 2024 11:34 pm

EvanZ wrote:How many of you had Jaime top 5? 0? That’s what I thought.


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Probably 0. But perhaps this year we will become smarter draft evaluators. If Jaime ends up as a top 5 guy from the 2023 draft, Jalen williams ends up as a top 5 guy from the 2022 draft, Keegan Murray ends up top 5 from the 2022 draft, Trey Murphy ends up top 7 from the 2021 draft, Austin reaves ends up top 8 from the 2021 draft, and Desmond Bane ends up top 5 from the 2020 draft, then maybe we should try becoming smarter evaluators and identify which older college player will end up returning top 5 value from the 2024 class..

You can scoff and say "oh, it's just making a big board" but I would say that we can try to be intentional about looking at previous draft classes and seeing the trends - what types of prospects pan out, which types of prospects do not - and adjust our big boards accordingly for future draft classes.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#942 » by HadAnEffectHere » Fri Jan 5, 2024 11:51 pm

Topic sucking in his first two Euroleague games and then getting an injury that will keep him out for 6 weeks............

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If Risacher goes #1, he's the worst prospect to go #1 since Anthony Bennett.

But Risacher probably should go #1 at this point.

Congrats on the team with the #1 pick getting a guy who will probably top out as the 15th best PF in the NBA.

Sarr also just has almost no upside (also like the 15th best center in the NBA), but a lot more downside and almost no positional value.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#943 » by EvanZ » Sat Jan 6, 2024 1:05 am

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EvanZ wrote:How many of you had Jaime top 5? 0? That’s what I thought.


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Probably 0. But perhaps this year we will become smarter draft evaluators. If Jaime ends up as a top 5 guy from the 2023 draft, Jalen williams ends up as a top 5 guy from the 2022 draft, Keegan Murray ends up top 5 from the 2022 draft, Trey Murphy ends up top 7 from the 2021 draft, Austin reaves ends up top 8 from the 2021 draft, and Desmond Bane ends up top 5 from the 2020 draft, then maybe we should try becoming smarter evaluators and identify which older college player will end up returning top 5 value from the 2024 class..

Let me know which senior you think should be top 5. Is it Edey? Shannon? See that’s the problem. It’s so easy to do this with hindsight. Not so easy to actually PREDICT.


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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#944 » by EvanZ » Sat Jan 6, 2024 1:06 am

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Topic sucking in his first two Euroleague games and then getting an injury that will keep him out for 6 weeks............

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If Risacher goes #1, he's the worst prospect to go #1 since Anthony Bennett.

But Risacher probably should go #1 at this point.

Congrats on the team with the #1 pick getting a guy who will probably top out as the 15th best PF in the NBA.

Sarr also just has almost no upside (also like the 15th best center in the NBA), but a lot more downside and almost no positional value.

I remember comparing Topic to Reaves and was told that’s an insult.


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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#945 » by HadAnEffectHere » Sat Jan 6, 2024 2:11 am

EvanZ wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Topic sucking in his first two Euroleague games and then getting an injury that will keep him out for 6 weeks............

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If Risacher goes #1, he's the worst prospect to go #1 since Anthony Bennett.

But Risacher probably should go #1 at this point.

Congrats on the team with the #1 pick getting a guy who will probably top out as the 15th best PF in the NBA.

Sarr also just has almost no upside (also like the 15th best center in the NBA), but a lot more downside and almost no positional value.

I remember comparing Topic to Reaves and was told that’s an insult.


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I mean, Reaves is the distant (EXTREMELY distant) 3rd best player on a bad team so that would be an awful outcome for a top 5 pick in a normal draft.

But Risacher will go #1 with the ceiling of "mediocre starting PF" soooooooooooo
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#946 » by babyjax13 » Sat Jan 6, 2024 2:26 am

I don't love this draft but Sarrs upside imo is a lot better than the 15th best center in the league, especially if his shot comes along (though I don't think it actually projects out to the NBA line in his first few years just watching him).
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#947 » by Colbinii » Sat Jan 6, 2024 2:55 am

EvanZ wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:How many of you had Jaime top 5? 0? That’s what I thought.


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Probably 0. But perhaps this year we will become smarter draft evaluators. If Jaime ends up as a top 5 guy from the 2023 draft, Jalen williams ends up as a top 5 guy from the 2022 draft, Keegan Murray ends up top 5 from the 2022 draft, Trey Murphy ends up top 7 from the 2021 draft, Austin reaves ends up top 8 from the 2021 draft, and Desmond Bane ends up top 5 from the 2020 draft, then maybe we should try becoming smarter evaluators and identify which older college player will end up returning top 5 value from the 2024 class..

Let me know which senior you think should be top 5. Is it Edey? Shannon? See that’s the problem. It’s so easy to do this with hindsight. Not so easy to actually PREDICT.


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I will. Give me until June though.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#948 » by EvanZ » Sat Jan 6, 2024 3:01 am

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Topic sucking in his first two Euroleague games and then getting an injury that will keep him out for 6 weeks............

...................

If Risacher goes #1, he's the worst prospect to go #1 since Anthony Bennett.

But Risacher probably should go #1 at this point.

Congrats on the team with the #1 pick getting a guy who will probably top out as the 15th best PF in the NBA.

Sarr also just has almost no upside (also like the 15th best center in the NBA), but a lot more downside and almost no positional value.

I remember comparing Topic to Reaves and was told that’s an insult.


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I mean, Reaves is the distant (EXTREMELY distant) 3rd best player on a bad team so that would be an awful outcome for a top 5 pick in a normal draft.

But Risacher will go #1 with the ceiling of "mediocre starting PF" soooooooooooo

He’s the third best player behind LeBron James and Anthony Davis? Is that what you’re telling me. What a genius.


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Post#949 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sat Jan 6, 2024 3:09 am

Colbinii wrote:Is Tristan Da Silva this years Jaime Jaquez Jr?


I think Karaban is. Same size and skill level and can shoot. Not a great athlete or defender but good enough to stay on the floor especially on 2nd units. NBA teams will find a place for him.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#950 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sat Jan 6, 2024 3:16 am

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Topic sucking in his first two Euroleague games and then getting an injury that will keep him out for 6 weeks............

...................

If Risacher goes #1, he's the worst prospect to go #1 since Anthony Bennett.

But Risacher probably should go #1 at this point.

Congrats on the team with the #1 pick getting a guy who will probably top out as the 15th best PF in the NBA.

Sarr also just has almost no upside (also like the 15th best center in the NBA), but a lot more downside and almost no positional value.

I remember comparing Topic to Reaves and was told that’s an insult.


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I mean, Reaves is the distant (EXTREMELY distant) 3rd best player on a bad team so that would be an awful outcome for a top 5 pick in a normal draft.

But Risacher will go #1 with the ceiling of "mediocre starting PF" soooooooooooo


your takes are so consistently bad. It takes effort to be this terrible. Risarcher is more of a 6'9" shooting guard (though really a SF) than he is a PF. The fact that you think he'll be a PF proves you haven't watched him at all so you're just trolling or pulling these awful takes out of your behind, not sure which is worse
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Post#951 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sat Jan 6, 2024 3:38 am

apparently 23 scouts on hand tonight for UCONN vs Butler and it had a tournament atmosphere. Castle didn't disappoint. Now that he's healthy he's cementing himself as a top 5-7 pick. Karaban is yet another returner likely to go in the first round.

Is it just me or is this shaping up to be a formidable returning class that's better than average? There's going to be a lot of guys taken in the back half of the first and into the second round that will help teams.

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Post#952 » by EvanZ » Sat Jan 6, 2024 4:34 am

It’s just you bud. Boswell should be considered a OAD as far as I’m concerned. And a Lottery pick. Flip is also a Lottery pick. Rest of these guys mostly suck.


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Post#953 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sat Jan 6, 2024 8:24 am

EvanZ wrote:It’s just you bud. Boswell should be considered a OAD as far as I’m concerned. And a Lottery pick. Flip is also a Lottery pick. Rest of these guys mostly suck.


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I bet you've watched less games of these kids than you can count on one hand :lol: You probably haven't even heard of 1/3 of them. And pray tell why should Boswell be a OAD? He played 35 games last season :o I refuse to let the handful of awful prolific posters get away with bad takes and ruin this board. I wish more quality posters weren't so drowned out by you guys.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#954 » by babyjax13 » Sat Jan 6, 2024 8:32 am

FarBeyondDriven wrote:
EvanZ wrote:It’s just you bud. Boswell should be considered a OAD as far as I’m concerned. And a Lottery pick. Flip is also a Lottery pick. Rest of these guys mostly suck.


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I bet you've watched less games of these kids than you can count on one hand :lol: You probably haven't even heard of 1/3 of them. And pray tell why should Boswell be a OAD? He played 35 games last season :o I refuse to let the handful of awful prolific posters get away with bad takes and ruin this board. I wish more quality posters weren't so drowned out by you guys.

Can you say your opinion without complaining, just once? I like that there is someone who disagrees with other people on the board - I think you are wrong - but all drafts are high-variance affairs. We could have a season where a bunch of guys underperform then later on look much better in the NBA, it would be more interesting to see why you think that could be the case rather than the general "all of you are wrong, this class is great, blah, blah, blah." It just isn't adding anything but another super-confrontational poster.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#955 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sat Jan 6, 2024 8:47 am

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EvanZ wrote:It’s just you bud. Boswell should be considered a OAD as far as I’m concerned. And a Lottery pick. Flip is also a Lottery pick. Rest of these guys mostly suck.


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I bet you've watched less games of these kids than you can count on one hand :lol: You probably haven't even heard of 1/3 of them. And pray tell why should Boswell be a OAD? He played 35 games last season :o I refuse to let the handful of awful prolific posters get away with bad takes and ruin this board. I wish more quality posters weren't so drowned out by you guys.

Can you say your opinion without complaining, just once? I like that there is someone who disagrees with other people on the board - I think you are wrong - but all drafts are high-variance affairs. We could have a season where a bunch of guys underperform then later on look much better in the NBA, it would be more interesting to see why you think that could be the case rather than the general "all of you are wrong, this class is great, blah, blah, blah." It just isn't adding anything but another super-confrontational poster.


There really are a handful of posters (you, Effect, Evan, Clyde, Colbini and a few more) I've found that ruin this place. YOU people are the confrontational ones. Just go through the threads. You're always going at others and often as a group. And you're going to cry about ME being confrontational because I dish it out better than I get, from these same people? That's rich. I'll let my takes speak for themselves as they age. If you want to be awful towards people and confrontational like a handful of you are, expect pushback. I'd ignore you but I can't allow trolling, awful takes or bad faith tactics to go unchallenged. That would be allowing you handful to ruin what should be a fun place to discuss draft prospects. Not gonna do it
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#956 » by HadAnEffectHere » Sat Jan 6, 2024 8:56 am

Stephon Castle is now 2/9 from three this year!

(He needs to get up to like 30% from three on multiple attempts per game for me to believe in him at all in the NBA)

The "essentially nothing you do in the NBA matters if you can't shoot unless you're an incredibly elite interior scorer or interior defender" wisdom has obviously not caught on among scouts or draft fans yet, but like........ That's the case right now in the NBA.

Yeah, it's pretty boring, but.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#957 » by babyjax13 » Sat Jan 6, 2024 8:56 am

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I bet you've watched less games of these kids than you can count on one hand :lol: You probably haven't even heard of 1/3 of them. And pray tell why should Boswell be a OAD? He played 35 games last season :o I refuse to let the handful of awful prolific posters get away with bad takes and ruin this board. I wish more quality posters weren't so drowned out by you guys.

Can you say your opinion without complaining, just once? I like that there is someone who disagrees with other people on the board - I think you are wrong - but all drafts are high-variance affairs. We could have a season where a bunch of guys underperform then later on look much better in the NBA, it would be more interesting to see why you think that could be the case rather than the general "all of you are wrong, this class is great, blah, blah, blah." It just isn't adding anything but another super-confrontational poster.


There really are a handful of posters (you, Effect, Evan, Clyde, Colbini and a few more) I've found that ruin this place. YOU people are the confrontational ones. Just go through the threads. You're always going at others and often as a group. And you're going to cry about ME being confrontational because I dish it out better than I get, from these same people? That's rich. I'll let my takes speak for themselves as they age. If you want to be awful towards people and confrontational like a handful of you are, expect pushback. I'd ignore you but I can't allow trolling, awful takes or bad faith tactics to go unchallenged. That would be allowing you handful to ruin what should be a fun place to discuss draft prospects. Not gonna do it

Yes, some of those posters are very confrontational. To the extent that I am, it's generally to tell people to chill, and in this case, I am pretty tired of how you react to disagreement and I think it would be good for you to go back through your posting history and see what it actually looks like (Colbini also is not that confrontational - especially for this forum).

I think you are also doing a bit of a disservice to yourself, some of these posters make some great points and watch a lot of basketball. I know I'm far from the best person on this board at evaluating talent, I just watch some games for fun and like to think I can identify a few hidden gems now and then. Many times, the guys I end up liking are players that the very people you have a problem with point out.

IDK, the level of discussion on this forum needs a lot of work (and it is a hard forum to moderate, I imagine) but you aren't doing anything to elevate it at all so long as you focus on complaining instead of talking about prospects. I'll see myself out, though, I have no interest in continuing the conversation about this, but I do hope that everyone takes a note to refocus a bit.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#958 » by babyjax13 » Sat Jan 6, 2024 9:06 am

And to practice what I preach...

How do people feel about Matthew Cleveland? I'm not sure there is a more disruptive perimeter defender in college. The amount of passes he deflects is pretty uncanny. I'm not crazy about him on offense, I think he's likely a below-average but not abysmal shooter, and he seems to lose some passes and for how good his hands are defensively he has some poor touch at times on offense. I would consider taking him starting in the late lottery, and would definitely have him gone in the 20s. He feels like a guy who makes it as a really solid 5th starter (probably his highest upside) or bench player that elevates any defense he is placed into.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#959 » by EvanZ » Sat Jan 6, 2024 2:29 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:
EvanZ wrote:It’s just you bud. Boswell should be considered a OAD as far as I’m concerned. And a Lottery pick. Flip is also a Lottery pick. Rest of these guys mostly suck.


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I bet you've watched less games of these kids than you can count on one hand :lol: You probably haven't even heard of 1/3 of them. And pray tell why should Boswell be a OAD? He played 35 games last season :o I refuse to let the handful of awful prolific posters get away with bad takes and ruin this board. I wish more quality posters weren't so drowned out by you guys.


Can you tell me how old Boswell was in his Freshman season? Thanks I'll be waiting.

Here's what "guys like you" do. You post like 20 names and then when 1 of them randomly hits you cherry pick that one and make this place insufferable. It's so predictable. That is what makes this forum suck. Not my giving honest opinions and telling people how old prospects are. :lol: :roll:
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Post#960 » by EvanZ » Sat Jan 6, 2024 2:34 pm

babyjax13 wrote:And to practice what I preach...

How do people feel about Matthew Cleveland?


Incredible athlete. Average or below average feel. He's a classic "if he can shoot" guy that I've now been waiting 3 years to take off. I don't know...if he can keep shooting then he could be a second round guy? Maybe some team falls in love with his tools and he goes late first.

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