Wembanyama. I'm concerned

[lebootz21]

Seriously. 30 games into his rookie year: "He needs to win to be in the same tier as Jordan and LeBron!" You can't make these horrible takes up

If they are going to hype him up as the biggest thing since Lebron, how is it unreasonable for me to compare him to Lebron?

Like I said, I'm not trying to troll, but I understand if it looks that way.

To each their own. Believe it or not I believe he is going to be a generational talent, so we actually agree on a lot of things.

LeBron wasn't the LeBron we know now after 30 games of his career either (hence why he didn't even with ROY). The comparison you're making is based on the totality of his career vs what Wemby is right now which makes zero sense

Butthurt level is 100. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. You're getting annoying now.

Strike: Trolling

[lebootz21]

Thanks for coming to the conclusion, and admitting that you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm speaking from an objective standpoint. What metrics are you using? How can you even argue against net rating?

Please explain.

Maybe I'm an idiot. Please educate me.

Net rating is a lineup stat, not an individual impact metric. You can sometimes see trends on who drives those ratings by comparing individual ratings of players who share a lot of their minutes on the court, and great players on good teams tend to drive strong net ratings, but otherwise this stat is often times too noisy to draw any conclusions on individual play because it doesn't filter out context.

I don't know why you're crapping on net rating. I understand there are a gazillion metrics out there trying to measure player impact, but in the end .. shouldn't winning take precedent? I think individual and team net rating are the best metrics because it directly measures the impact of a player's offense and defense towards winning. All the other metrics such as EPM and BPM are covered by net rating, so most of them are irrelevant.

In the end, all you need to know is how good a player is on both the offensive and defensive end and how that contributes to the team winning.

Not too long we were crapping on Carmelo when he was on the Knicks for not winning. His stats were pretty solid, but he was not winning and he got a lot of hate for that.

Why are we giving Wemby a pass?

Think about this, if Curry was winning, we would be talking about him winning MVP and being the GOAT with the same exact stats he has now when losing.

Winning is everything. Why are Wemby stans treating winning like it's kryptonite? It's so bizarre to me.

[hardenASG13]

I'm speaking from an objective standpoint. What metrics are you using? How can you even argue against net rating?

Please explain.

Maybe I'm an idiot. Please educate me.

Net rating is a lineup stat, not an individual impact metric. You can sometimes see trends on who drives those ratings by comparing individual ratings of players who share a lot of their minutes on the court, and great players on good teams tend to drive strong net ratings, but otherwise this stat is often times too noisy to draw any conclusions on individual play because it doesn't filter out context.

I don't know why you're crapping on net rating. I understand there are a gazillion metrics out there trying to measure player impact, but in the end .. shouldn't winning take precedent? I think individual and team net rating are the best metrics because it directly measures the impact of a player's offense and defense towards winning. All the other metrics such as EPM and BPM are covered by net rating, so most of them are irrelevant.

In the end, all you need to know is how good a player is on both the offensive and defensive end and how that contributes to the team winning.

Not too long we were crapping on Carmelo when he was on the Knicks for not winning. His stats were pretty solid, but he was not winning and he got a lot of hate for that.

Why are we giving Wemby a pass?

Think about this, if Curry was winning, we would be talking about him winning MVP and being the GOAT with the same exact stats he has now when losing.

Winning is everything. Why are Wemby stans treating winning like it's kryptonite? It's so bizarre to me.

Because he's not remotely close to being in a position to win. Watch the games.

[RalphWiggum]

For San Antonio to not even make the smallest of efforts to set this guy up with a somewhat competent PG is actually concerning to me.

[lebootz21]

Net rating is a lineup stat, not an individual impact metric. You can sometimes see trends on who drives those ratings by comparing individual ratings of players who share a lot of their minutes on the court, and great players on good teams tend to drive strong net ratings, but otherwise this stat is often times too noisy to draw any conclusions on individual play because it doesn't filter out context.

I don't know why you're crapping on net rating. I understand there are a gazillion metrics out there trying to measure player impact, but in the end .. shouldn't winning take precedent? I think individual and team net rating are the best metrics because it directly measures the impact of a player's offense and defense towards winning. All the other metrics such as EPM and BPM are covered by net rating, so most of them are irrelevant.

In the end, all you need to know is how good a player is on both the offensive and defensive end and how that contributes to the team winning.

Not too long we were crapping on Carmelo when he was on the Knicks for not winning. His stats were pretty solid, but he was not winning and he got a lot of hate for that.

Why are we giving Wemby a pass?

Think about this, if Curry was winning, we would be talking about him winning MVP and being the GOAT with the same exact stats he has now when losing.

Winning is everything. Why are Wemby stans treating winning like it's kryptonite? It's so bizarre to me.

Because he's not remotely close to being in a position to win. Watch the games.

I admit I am an idiot.

So please explain to me why they are tanking? What prospect are they vying for?

Meet me half way.

[lebootz21]

For San Antonio to not even make the smallest of efforts to set this guy up with a somewhat competent PG is actually concerning to me.

Exactly.

Why aren't they pursuing Fred VanFleet or any other stars when they were available? He would of been a great fit for Wemby and they could easily be a playoff contender.

Who is this mysterious draft pick they're willing to tank a phenom's rookie season for?

That's what I want to know.

[Lakers In 5]

For San Antonio to not even make the smallest of efforts to set this guy up with a somewhat competent PG is actually concerning to me.

Exactly.

Why aren't they pursuing Fred VanFleet or any other stars when they were available? He would of been a great fit for Wemby and they could easily be a playoff contender.

Who is this mysterious draft pick they're willing to tank a phenom's rookie season for?

That's what I want to know.

If you have a talent on your hands that could define a generation, only to spend big money on Fred VanVleet, you're a lost cause as a franchise. You do not want to make moves, just to make moves. You wait for an opportunity that would benefit you the most long term. Tanking doesn't necessarily have to equate to some sort of player, they could also use it as trade value to get the player(s) they want whom they feel will fit their vision best.

I could see the Spurs having their eyes set on Nikola Topic. They aren't looking for the next big thing, they already have that player.

[lebootz21]

For San Antonio to not even make the smallest of efforts to set this guy up with a somewhat competent PG is actually concerning to me.

Exactly.

Why aren't they pursuing Fred VanFleet or any other stars when they were available? He would of been a great fit for Wemby and they could easily be a playoff contender.

Who is this mysterious draft pick they're willing to tank a phenom's rookie season for?

That's what I want to know.

If you have a talent on your hands that could define a generation, only to spend big money on Fred VanVleet, you're a lost cause as a franchise. You do not want to make moves, just to make moves. You wait for an opportunity that would benefit you the most long term. Tanking doesn't necessarily have to equate to some sort of player, they could also use it as trade value to get the player(s) they want whom they feel will fit their vision best.

I could see the Spurs having their eyes set on Nikola Topic. They aren't looking for the next big thing, they already have that player.

Nikola Topic? Really? What is he ... Jokic starring in the next tropic thunder movie?

Why not go for Herro and be a play in contender?

I'm an idiot.

Educate me.

[DwayneSchintzus]

Exactly.

Why aren't they pursuing Fred VanFleet or any other stars when they were available? He would of been a great fit for Wemby and they could easily be a playoff contender.

Who is this mysterious draft pick they're willing to tank a phenom's rookie season for?

That's what I want to know.

If you have a talent on your hands that could define a generation, only to spend big money on Fred VanVleet, you're a lost cause as a franchise. You do not want to make moves, just to make moves. You wait for an opportunity that would benefit you the most long term. Tanking doesn't necessarily have to equate to some sort of player, they could also use it as trade value to get the player(s) they want whom they feel will fit their vision best.

I could see the Spurs having their eyes set on Nikola Topic. They aren't looking for the next big thing, they already have that player.

Nikola Topic? Really? What is he ... Jokic starring in the next tropic thunder movie?

Why not go for Herro and be a play in contender?

I'm an idiot.

Educate me.

I agree with you, but you should educate yourself

[bananazn]

Exactly.

Why aren't they pursuing Fred VanFleet or any other stars when they were available? He would of been a great fit for Wemby and they could easily be a playoff contender.

Who is this mysterious draft pick they're willing to tank a phenom's rookie season for?

That's what I want to know.

If you have a talent on your hands that could define a generation, only to spend big money on Fred VanVleet, you're a lost cause as a franchise. You do not want to make moves, just to make moves. You wait for an opportunity that would benefit you the most long term. Tanking doesn't necessarily have to equate to some sort of player, they could also use it as trade value to get the player(s) they want whom they feel will fit their vision best.

I could see the Spurs having their eyes set on Nikola Topic. They aren't looking for the next big thing, they already have that player.

Nikola Topic? Really? What is he ... Jokic starring in the next tropic thunder movie?

Why not go for Herro and be a play in contender?

I'm an idiot.

Educate me.

They aren't really tanking for a particular player, I believe Spurs just need talent lot of talents. So Pop basically just trying to develop players figuring out who's worth keeping and whatnot.
It's long 2 or 3 years process ala OKC ... San Antonio isn't an attractive spot for FA they will have to find those talents through draft .

Nw if we're back to wemby topic as good as he is right now he's still raw and nowhere close to carry a team to the playoff he can't even play more than 30min without gassing out just chill and enjoy their process

[Rust_Cohle]

For San Antonio to not even make the smallest of efforts to set this guy up with a somewhat competent PG is actually concerning to me.

They will in next years draft

[_jin]

Exactly.

Why aren't they pursuing Fred VanFleet or any other stars when they were available? He would of been a great fit for Wemby and they could easily be a playoff contender.

Who is this mysterious draft pick they're willing to tank a phenom's rookie season for?

That's what I want to know.

If you have a talent on your hands that could define a generation, only to spend big money on Fred VanVleet, you're a lost cause as a franchise. You do not want to make moves, just to make moves. You wait for an opportunity that would benefit you the most long term. Tanking doesn't necessarily have to equate to some sort of player, they could also use it as trade value to get the player(s) they want whom they feel will fit their vision best.

I could see the Spurs having their eyes set on Nikola Topic. They aren't looking for the next big thing, they already have that player.

Nikola Topic? Really? What is he ... Jokic starring in the next tropic thunder movie?

Why not go for Herro and be a play in contender?

I'm an idiot.

Educate me.

They need a lot more than Herro, just adding Herro wouldnt take them anywhere near the playin. They have 2 pieces for the future, Wemby and Vassell, and a few other good players in Keldon, Collins or Tre Jones but those could and will probably be moved when they want to make a big move, because even if they wanted to trade for Herro, they simply couldnt since they dont have a lot of big salaries. They'd have to either trade Vassell for him, which they would never do, or Keldon+Collins which they wouldnt do either and Miami would also say no. They have a lot of future draft picks but not a lot of tradable assets, Keldon and Collins are the only ones who make significant money outside of Vassell, a lot of their payroll is wasted on waived players but that way they'll be in line to have a lot of capspace in July. I also expect them to use Graham contract to get someone back, I hope they dont let it go to waste.

[Chokic]

Trae Young on this spurs team would be assists galore. He would be avg nearly 15apg. It's astonishing these young guys only think scoring when they could easily ncrease their own perceived market value by focusing on playmaking aka finding wemby.

[The-Stallion70]

Suggs shot 21% from 3 as a rookie, now he's shooting 37% on nearly 5 attempts per game.

[Bornstellar]

If they are going to hype him up as the biggest thing since Lebron, how is it unreasonable for me to compare him to Lebron?

Like I said, I'm not trying to troll, but I understand if it looks that way.

To each their own. Believe it or not I believe he is going to be a generational talent, so we actually agree on a lot of things.

LeBron wasn't the LeBron we know now after 30 games of his career either (hence why he didn't even with ROY). The comparison you're making is based on the totality of his career vs what Wemby is right now which makes zero sense

Butthurt level is 100. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. You're getting annoying now.

Lol you're trying to make a garbage argument and get called out on it so your only rebuttal is a personal attack. Thanks for conceding and proving you don't know what you're talking about buddy

"I'm not trying to troll" lmao. You say you want to understand and then when your trash argument gets dunked on you start calling other people butthurt? zero credibility. No wonder you have to bold your clownish takes

[ChaseDown]

LeBron wasn't the LeBron we know now after 30 games of his career either (hence why he didn't even with ROY). The comparison you're making is based on the totality of his career vs what Wemby is right now which makes zero sense

Butthurt level is 100. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. You're getting annoying now.

Lol you're trying to make a garbage argument and get called out on it so your only rebuttal is a personal attack. Thanks for conceding and proving you don't know what you're talking about buddy

"I'm not trying to troll" lmao. You say you want to understand and then when your trash argument gets dunked on you start calling other people butthurt? zero credibility. No wonder you have to bold your clownish takes

I’m sorry bro, just looking at your other quote about LeBron not winning ROY. Are you sure? Have we been lied to the past 20 years?

[G R E Y]

Trae Young on this spurs team would be assists galore. He would be avg nearly 15apg. It's astonishing these young guys only think scoring when they could easily ncrease their own perceived market value by focusing on playmaking aka finding wemby.

Of course a rebuild team has holes. We will address these in due course. Still, we're 4th in the league in assists.

Also,

Read on Twitter

Wemby is being found better and used better.

It takes time.

[G R E Y]

Exactly.

Why aren't they pursuing Fred VanFleet or any other stars when they were available? He would of been a great fit for Wemby and they could easily be a playoff contender.

Who is this mysterious draft pick they're willing to tank a phenom's rookie season for?

That's what I want to know.

If you have a talent on your hands that could define a generation, only to spend big money on Fred VanVleet, you're a lost cause as a franchise. You do not want to make moves, just to make moves. You wait for an opportunity that would benefit you the most long term. Tanking doesn't necessarily have to equate to some sort of player, they could also use it as trade value to get the player(s) they want whom they feel will fit their vision best.

I could see the Spurs having their eyes set on Nikola Topic. They aren't looking for the next big thing, they already have that player.

Nikola Topic? Really? What is he ... Jokic starring in the next tropic thunder movie?

Why not go for Herro and be a play in contender?

I'm an idiot.

Educate me.

Oooooh a play in contender!

That's a contradiction. There's only one thing we're designing long term to be a contender of, and rushing to low levels at the cost highest levels is the height of folly.

[Bornstellar]

Butthurt level is 100. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. You're getting annoying now.

Lol you're trying to make a garbage argument and get called out on it so your only rebuttal is a personal attack. Thanks for conceding and proving you don't know what you're talking about buddy

"I'm not trying to troll" lmao. You say you want to understand and then when your trash argument gets dunked on you start calling other people butthurt? zero credibility. No wonder you have to bold your clownish takes

I’m sorry bro, just looking at your other quote about LeBron not winning ROY. Are you sure? Have we been lied to the past 20 years?

Yeah you're right, made a boo boo there. I have no problem admitting that

[Ssj16]

How is it silly? His team is losing. It is fair to question whether or not he is a winner when he is clearly losing.

I think it’s silly that you’re being reductive.


It doesn’t matter one bit if this team is losing as currently constructed and the way it’s currently being coached. Spurs aren’t trying to win games, it’s been obvious to anybody that has watched.


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I'm sorry I value net rating. He needs to start winning if he wants to be in the same tier as Lebron, Jordan, Duncan, Shaq, etc.

I'm not saying he can't. I'll believe it when I see it. I don't deal with hypotheticals and guesses.

When people look at a specific stat or just winning and are unable to have a well rounded conversation about a player or team, I think that person just wants to die on their hill without any real meaningful discourse.

Based on your logic, LeBron is such a horrible player, because you value winning and his team is under .500