LeBron James' Teams Have Traded 118 Players And First Round Picks

[scrabbarista]

Did the stats guy happen to consider the inflation of trades in the NBA generally between eras?

Even still LeBron had a lot, been on 4 separate teams. A good contemporary comp would be Durant or Kawhi.
Speaks to the bias of the graphic that they chose guys that stayed in one team largely. Plenty of better comps to see.

If you want a good control, there's one on the chart:

4 years in MIA = 13 trades

4 years in CLE = 44 trades

The biggest difference in the two situations was that Riley accepted James' input, whereas Cleveland followed James' orders.

That's just a fictional narrative though.

Griffen said he made all those trades trying to make Cavs a contender around LeBron. Griffen even said he hates how LeBron gets all the credit for the trades, that's what made him miserable.

The actual difference between Cavs and Miami was that Miami were setup around Wade to contend, they already had pieces in place and added LeBron and Bosh in FA.

Cavs were a rebuilding team that had to restructure everything around LeBron and Kyrie.

I reworded my post before reading your comment.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Why select these four players, and only these four players, for comparison? Odd.

[BeatDaCavs420]

I haven't posted here in awhile....I see nothing has changed though with the typical Lebron defenders with the most replies in this thread defending their King!

[scrabbarista]

Did the stats guy happen to consider the inflation of trades in the NBA generally between eras?

Even still LeBron had a lot, been on 4 separate teams. A good contemporary comp would be Durant or Kawhi.
Speaks to the bias of the graphic that they chose guys that stayed in one team largely. Plenty of better comps to see.

If you want a good control, there's one on the chart:

4 years in MIA = 13 trades

4 years in CLE = 44 trades

The biggest difference in the two situations was that Riley accepted James' input, whereas Cleveland followed James' orders.

That's just a fictional narrative though.

Griffen said he made all those trades trying to make Cavs a contender around LeBron. Griffen even said he hates how LeBron gets all the credit for the trades, that's what made him miserable.

The actual difference between Cavs and Miami was that Miami were setup around Wade to contend, they already had pieces in place and added LeBron and Bosh in FA.

Cavs were a rebuilding team that had to restructure everything around LeBron and Kyrie.

Were they still a rebuilding team after reaching the Finals in 2015?

Finals = rebuilding?

Because during the middle two years in Miami, there were two pieces moved, while during the middle two years in Cleveland, there were fourteen pieces moved.

It's not fiction. LeBron was on one year deals so he could make the team do his bidding. (Also so he could get the bleep out of Cleveland and go somewhere he wanted to be as soon as he got them a championship and saved face for The Decision.) Miami simply didn't let him guide their decisions. If they had, as we know, Spoelstra would've gotten the axe like David Blatt.

[jc23]

I dont blame him or his teams for going all in to win. Just dont complain when your team cant do much to improve after doing so for 4 straight years.

[Sofia]

And Kobe has been bashed for all his career for only Paul gasol trade.

I don’t bash him for the “Paul Gasol” or KG team up requests.

Some people think the worst bit was when he asked to be traded himself, i thought it was the raping.

Spoiler:

RIP Norm McDonald

[ScrantonBulls]

I haven't posted here in awhile....I see nothing has changed though with the typical Lebron defenders with the most replies in this thread defending their King!

People called out the thread poster for posting an article from a garbage website with made up statistics, and this is the hill you want to die on? it gets old when petulant fans fill up the General Board with BS threads about players they don't like.

But by all means, keep calling out the people who are fact checking and adding context to the discussion! Good job!

[zimpy27]

If you want a good control, there's one on the chart:

4 years in MIA = 13 trades

4 years in CLE = 44 trades

The biggest difference in the two situations was that Riley accepted James' input, whereas Cleveland followed James' orders.

That's just a fictional narrative though.

Griffen said he made all those trades trying to make Cavs a contender around LeBron. Griffen even said he hates how LeBron gets all the credit for the trades, that's what made him miserable.

The actual difference between Cavs and Miami was that Miami were setup around Wade to contend, they already had pieces in place and added LeBron and Bosh in FA.

Cavs were a rebuilding team that had to restructure everything around LeBron and Kyrie.

Were they still a rebuilding team after reaching the Finals in 2015?

Finals = rebuilding?

Because during the middle two years in Miami, there were two pieces moved, while during the middle two years in Cleveland, there were fourteen pieces moved.

It's not fiction. LeBron was on one year deals so he could make the team do his bidding. (Also so he could get the bleep out of Cleveland and go somewhere he wanted to be as soon as he got them a championship and saved face for The Decision.) Miami simply didn't let him guide their decisions. If they had, as we know, Spoelstra would've gotten the axe like David Blatt.

Takes more than a year to restructure and they changed coach in 2015-16 season. Change of coach came with new system and needed new players.

Riley has denied the rumor that LeBron wanted spoelstra traded. After 8-9 start in 2010-11 there were questions about whether Spoelstra was the right guys for the job, that's about it. No one has said LeBron had any desire to get Spoelstra fired. He reportedly asked Pat Riley if he wanted to coach again. That's about it?

[ItsDanger]

He's not called LeGM for no reason.

[MavsDirk41]

That Westbrook trade that he pushed for was his finest work yet, a real doozy.

[ScrantonBulls]

That Westbrook trade that he pushed for was his finest work yet, a real doozy.

I can't believe him an AD thought it would work out.

[MavsDirk41]

That Westbrook trade that he pushed for was his finest work yet, a real doozy.

I can't believe him an AD thought it would work out.

The way I remember it, i think most analysts/talking heads were all agreeing that it was an odd fit and wouldn’t work out. Two ball dominant players on the same team wont work.

[Goomba3666]

That Westbrook trade that he pushed for was his finest work yet, a real doozy.

Two turnover maestros jockeying for the PG with very few shooters. Lol.

[ScrantonBulls]

That Westbrook trade that he pushed for was his finest work yet, a real doozy.

I can't believe him an AD thought it would work out.

The way I remember it, i think most analysts/talking heads were all agreeing that it was an odd fit and wouldn’t work out. Two ball dominant players on the same team wont work.

It's like the Bulls "big 3". Most analysts thought it was a terrible fit, but AKME thought it was great for some reason. The analysts were correct.

Westbrook was just washed up by then though. Not A winning player.

[Goomba3666]

Interesting article, but ultimately can be summed very simply.

The amount of movement Lebron's teams do for him is more of a product of him being extremely 1-dimensional albeit the best 1-dimensional player in NBA history.

He's pretty much a mobile/perimeter version of Shaq. Dominant, physical, great, but obviously needs a WIDE open lane in order cleanly to barrel over the defense for easy buckets.

[scrabbarista]

That's just a fictional narrative though.

Griffen said he made all those trades trying to make Cavs a contender around LeBron. Griffen even said he hates how LeBron gets all the credit for the trades, that's what made him miserable.

The actual difference between Cavs and Miami was that Miami were setup around Wade to contend, they already had pieces in place and added LeBron and Bosh in FA.

Cavs were a rebuilding team that had to restructure everything around LeBron and Kyrie.

Were they still a rebuilding team after reaching the Finals in 2015?

Finals = rebuilding?

Because during the middle two years in Miami, there were two pieces moved, while during the middle two years in Cleveland, there were fourteen pieces moved.

It's not fiction. LeBron was on one year deals so he could make the team do his bidding. (Also so he could get the bleep out of Cleveland and go somewhere he wanted to be as soon as he got them a championship and saved face for The Decision.) Miami simply didn't let him guide their decisions. If they had, as we know, Spoelstra would've gotten the axe like David Blatt.

Takes more than a year to restructure and they changed coach in 2015-16 season. Change of coach came with new system and needed new players.

Riley has denied the rumor that LeBron wanted spoelstra traded. After 8-9 start in 2010-11 there were questions about whether Spoelstra was the right guys for the job, that's about it. No one has said LeBron had any desire to get Spoelstra fired. He reportedly asked Pat Riley if he wanted to coach again. That's about it?

Sports Illustrated Headline:

"Pat Riley Details How LeBron James Wanted Erik Spoelstra Fired in 2010

James requested a coaching change after just 17 games his first year with Miami Heat"

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/pat-riley-details-how-lebron-james-wanted-erik-spoelstra-fired-in-2010

Riley is quoted from his own book that James asked him if he "got the itch" and Riley "knew what he meant." I.e., coach this team, i.e., replace Spoelstra with yourself.

Riley would deny it after the fact because airing your star players' dirty laundry is the definition of bad business in the NBA. 95% of them have things that they'd prefer to be kept hidden, and if you go around airing that stuff, then 95% of them are going to steer clear of your franchise. It's not complicated.

[Goomba3666]

Wanted to also say thats there's nothing wrong with him being limited. He's still a top 10 player of all-time and one of the most dominant players ever. He just needs extremely talented shooters around him to open up the floor in order for him to maximize his best assets (usually at the expense of other solid NBA players), keep his FG% looking decent, and win.

If he doesn't have this, he'll still get his numbers and percentages, but it won't affect winning. Take a look at this season as an example.

[MavsDirk41]

I can't believe him an AD thought it would work out.

The way I remember it, i think most analysts/talking heads were all agreeing that it was an odd fit and wouldn’t work out. Two ball dominant players on the same team wont work.

It's like the Bulls "big 3". Most analysts thought it was a terrible fit, but AKME thought it was great for some reason. The analysts were correct.

Westbrook was just washed up by then though. Not A winning player.

I think Westbrook has found a home playing off the bench with Leonard, George, and Harden in LA. Limited minutes as a ball handler, energy guy, i think he can help the Clippers out. If healthy that team could be the second best team in the west behind Denver.

[MavsDirk41]

That Westbrook trade that he pushed for was his finest work yet, a real doozy.

Two turnover maestros jockeying for the PG with very few shooters. Lol.

Somehow it was Pelinkas fault tho….

[zimpy27]

Were they still a rebuilding team after reaching the Finals in 2015?

Finals = rebuilding?

Because during the middle two years in Miami, there were two pieces moved, while during the middle two years in Cleveland, there were fourteen pieces moved.

It's not fiction. LeBron was on one year deals so he could make the team do his bidding. (Also so he could get the bleep out of Cleveland and go somewhere he wanted to be as soon as he got them a championship and saved face for The Decision.) Miami simply didn't let him guide their decisions. If they had, as we know, Spoelstra would've gotten the axe like David Blatt.

Takes more than a year to restructure and they changed coach in 2015-16 season. Change of coach came with new system and needed new players.

Riley has denied the rumor that LeBron wanted spoelstra traded. After 8-9 start in 2010-11 there were questions about whether Spoelstra was the right guys for the job, that's about it. No one has said LeBron had any desire to get Spoelstra fired. He reportedly asked Pat Riley if he wanted to coach again. That's about it?

Sports Illustrated Headline:

"Pat Riley Details How LeBron James Wanted Erik Spoelstra Fired in 2010

James requested a coaching change after just 17 games his first year with Miami Heat"

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/pat-riley-details-how-lebron-james-wanted-erik-spoelstra-fired-in-2010

Riley is quoted from his own book that James asked him if he "got the itch" and Riley "knew what he meant." I.e., coach this team, i.e., replace Spoelstra with yourself.

Riley would deny it after the fact because airing your star players' dirty laundry is the definition of bad business in the NBA. 95% of them have things that they'd prefer to be kept hidden, and if you go around airing that stuff, then 95% of them are going to steer clear of your franchise. It's not complicated.

Riley said that in his book. That's it. LeBron asked if Riley if he was interested in coaching again. Then sports illustrated tries to get clicks by spinning a tale that gets lapped up by people that believe it's the players trying to hide something and the media are the truth tellers.