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[winforlose]

You’re both right. Jaden has been slumping on offense, but KG is not appreciating his impact on defense.

[KGdaBom]

And you failed to comprehend my response twice now.

I never said it was for your, or anyone else’s, fantasy team.

Just that you tend to judge players by their fantasy impact, not their real world ones.

I specifically said I was NOT doing it based on fantasy impact. I just politely told you if I was doing it for my fantasy or any other fantasy team that would be the order. I only did that because you seemed so interested in what I would have done for fantasy. My question for W4L was regarding what he would do. Not what I would do. Fantasy had absolutely nothing to do with the question that started your rant about me basing everything on fantasy which I 100% don't do. Quit being a jerk. Quit thinking you can read my mind. You suck at it.

[KGdaBom]

You’re both right. Jaden has been slumping on offense, but KG is not appreciating his impact on defense.

Jaden isn't playing particularly good defense. Decent. However, my problem isn't with you, Black Jac or anybody else thinking Jaden is more valuable than Reaves and Tyus combined. It's Black Jac thinking he knows that I base all my real world basketball judgments from fantasy stats even after I specifically tell him I don't.

[winforlose]

You’re both right. Jaden has been slumping on offense, but KG is not appreciating his impact on defense.

Jaden isn't playing particularly good defense. Decent. However, my problem isn't with you, Black Jac or anybody else thinking Jaden is more valuable than Reaves and Tyus combined. It's Black Jac thinking he knows that I base all my real world basketball judgments from fantasy stats even after I specifically tell him I don't.

I am just trying to acknowledge that you both have some merit to your point while deescalating the tension level. You might not be impressed with Jaden’s defense, but you need to remember who you are asking him to guard. Maxey, Fox, SGA, Brunson, ect…

[KGdaBom]

You’re both right. Jaden has been slumping on offense, but KG is not appreciating his impact on defense.

Jaden isn't playing particularly good defense. Decent. However, my problem isn't with you, Black Jac or anybody else thinking Jaden is more valuable than Reaves and Tyus combined. It's Black Jac thinking he knows that I base all my real world basketball judgments from fantasy stats even after I specifically tell him I don't.

I am just trying to acknowledge that you both have some merit to your point while deescalating the tension level. You might not be impressed with Jaden’s defense, but you need to remember who you are asking him to guard. Maxey, Fox, SGA, Brunson, ect…

I used to have Black Jac on Iggy because he was always confrontational with me. I made a decision of taking a lot of people off iggy and go for a fresh start. Recently it's the same old stuff with him. He doesn't want to discuss. He wants to confront and argue.

[winforlose]

Jaden isn't playing particularly good defense. Decent. However, my problem isn't with you, Black Jac or anybody else thinking Jaden is more valuable than Reaves and Tyus combined. It's Black Jac thinking he knows that I base all my real world basketball judgments from fantasy stats even after I specifically tell him I don't.

I am just trying to acknowledge that you both have some merit to your point while deescalating the tension level. You might not be impressed with Jaden’s defense, but you need to remember who you are asking him to guard. Maxey, Fox, SGA, Brunson, ect…

I used to have Black Jac on Iggy because he was always confrontational with me. I made a decision of taking a lot of people off iggy and go for a fresh start. Recently it's the same old stuff with him. He doesn't want to discuss. He wants to confront and argue.

Zona loves to go after me, so you know I get it. That said, he was trying to make the point that you need to consider a wider variety of metrics in your evaluation. He did it in a way you didn’t like that accused you of something you don’t believe to be true. This took the conversation from communication (the exchange of new information,) into arguing (the rehashing of already established information,) which devolves into full on fighting (communication without any intention of exchanging information.) That is why I am trying to help you both move back into the communication phase. My new information for you is Jaden looks worse on defense because he is defending the elite players of the league and the opposing teams offense is designed to help those player get open.

[KGdaBom]

I am just trying to acknowledge that you both have some merit to your point while deescalating the tension level. You might not be impressed with Jaden’s defense, but you need to remember who you are asking him to guard. Maxey, Fox, SGA, Brunson, ect…

I used to have Black Jac on Iggy because he was always confrontational with me. I made a decision of taking a lot of people off iggy and go for a fresh start. Recently it's the same old stuff with him. He doesn't want to discuss. He wants to confront and argue.

Zona loves to go after me, so you know I get it. That said, he was trying to make the point that you need to consider a wider variety of metrics in your evaluation. He did it in a way you didn’t like that accused you of something you don’t believe to be true. This took the conversation from communication (the exchange of new information,) into arguing (the rehashing of already established information,) which devolves into full on fighting (communication without any intention of exchanging information.) That is why I am trying to help you both move back into the communication phase. My new information for you is Jaden looks worse on defense because he is defending the elite players of the league and the opposing teams offense is designed to help those player get open.

I hope Jaden Rocks. I like him, but I just don't see him as this up and coming star that a lot of this board sees. I hope I'm wrong. I think the Lakers are way underutilizing Reaves. IMO he is without question their 3rd best player. Trading for him I give a 0.5% chance of happening. In other words I wouldn't be shocked if it happens, but I really don't think it will.

[winforlose]

I used to have Black Jac on Iggy because he was always confrontational with me. I made a decision of taking a lot of people off iggy and go for a fresh start. Recently it's the same old stuff with him. He doesn't want to discuss. He wants to confront and argue.

Zona loves to go after me, so you know I get it. That said, he was trying to make the point that you need to consider a wider variety of metrics in your evaluation. He did it in a way you didn’t like that accused you of something you don’t believe to be true. This took the conversation from communication (the exchange of new information,) into arguing (the rehashing of already established information,) which devolves into full on fighting (communication without any intention of exchanging information.) That is why I am trying to help you both move back into the communication phase. My new information for you is Jaden looks worse on defense because he is defending the elite players of the league and the opposing teams offense is designed to help those player get open.

I hope Jaden Rocks. I like him, but I just don't see him as this up and coming star that a lot of this board sees. I hope I'm wrong. I think the Lakers are way underutilizing Reaves. IMO he is without question their 3rd best player. Trading for him I give a 0.5% chance of happening. In other words I wouldn't be shocked if it happens, but I really don't think it will.

Worst case Jaden is an all NBA defender who shoots a career 36.2% from deep. Best case he is an all NBA defender who drops 10-20 PPG on 37-40% from deep. Oh and he is taller than KAT and around as long as V8. We want him to take a leap forward, but the truth is the Jaden we have seen this season is pretty damn good.

[winforlose]

KP left the Celtics game with an eye injury. Sounds minor, but could cost him a few games.

[KGdaBom]

Zona loves to go after me, so you know I get it. That said, he was trying to make the point that you need to consider a wider variety of metrics in your evaluation. He did it in a way you didn’t like that accused you of something you don’t believe to be true. This took the conversation from communication (the exchange of new information,) into arguing (the rehashing of already established information,) which devolves into full on fighting (communication without any intention of exchanging information.) That is why I am trying to help you both move back into the communication phase. My new information for you is Jaden looks worse on defense because he is defending the elite players of the league and the opposing teams offense is designed to help those player get open.

I hope Jaden Rocks. I like him, but I just don't see him as this up and coming star that a lot of this board sees. I hope I'm wrong. I think the Lakers are way underutilizing Reaves. IMO he is without question their 3rd best player. Trading for him I give a 0.5% chance of happening. In other words I wouldn't be shocked if it happens, but I really don't think it will.

Worst case Jaden is an all NBA defender who shoots a career 36.2% from deep. Best case he is an all NBA defender who drops 10-20 PPG on 37-40% from deep. Oh and he is taller than KAT and around as long as V8. We want him to take a leap forward, but the truth is the Jaden we have seen this season is pretty damn good.

That is far from the worst case. He could easily not be an all NBA defender.

[winforlose]

I hope Jaden Rocks. I like him, but I just don't see him as this up and coming star that a lot of this board sees. I hope I'm wrong. I think the Lakers are way underutilizing Reaves. IMO he is without question their 3rd best player. Trading for him I give a 0.5% chance of happening. In other words I wouldn't be shocked if it happens, but I really don't think it will.

Worst case Jaden is an all NBA defender who shoots a career 36.2% from deep. Best case he is an all NBA defender who drops 10-20 PPG on 37-40% from deep. Oh and he is taller than KAT and around as long as V8. We want him to take a leap forward, but the truth is the Jaden we have seen this season is pretty damn good.

That is far from the worst case. He could easily not be an all NBA defender.

You are correct. He has played in 24 games and we have played 34 total. If he misses 8 more games he would be disqualified. Short of that, an elite POA defender on an elite team in the west is a shoe in.

[KGdaBom]

The Houston team we just annihilated Beat the Bucks tonight.

[KGdaBom]

Worst case Jaden is an all NBA defender who shoots a career 36.2% from deep. Best case he is an all NBA defender who drops 10-20 PPG on 37-40% from deep. Oh and he is taller than KAT and around as long as V8. We want him to take a leap forward, but the truth is the Jaden we have seen this season is pretty damn good.

That is far from the worst case. He could easily not be an all NBA defender.

You are correct. He has played in 24 games and we have played 34 total. If he misses 8 more games he would be disqualified. Short of that, an elite POA defender on an elite team in the west is a shoe in.

Nope. My best guess is he will play 65 or more and not make all NBA defense. We will see.

[winforlose]

That is far from the worst case. He could easily not be an all NBA defender.

You are correct. He has played in 24 games and we have played 34 total. If he misses 8 more games he would be disqualified. Short of that, an elite POA defender on an elite team in the west is a shoe in.

Nope. My best guess is he will play 65 or more and not make all NBA defense. We will see.

Baring a collapse where we finish 5th or lower I just don’t see it.

[KGdaBom]

You are correct. He has played in 24 games and we have played 34 total. If he misses 8 more games he would be disqualified. Short of that, an elite POA defender on an elite team in the west is a shoe in.

Nope. My best guess is he will play 65 or more and not make all NBA defense. We will see.

Baring a collapse where we finish 5th or lower I just don’t see it.

I think you're overrating his standing among the All NBA defense team voters.

[winforlose]

Nope. My best guess is he will play 65 or more and not make all NBA defense. We will see.

Baring a collapse where we finish 5th or lower I just don’t see it.

I think you're overrating his standing among the All NBA defense team voters.

Honest question with literally no attitude intended (hard to establish that with a written question so I just wanted to say it ahead of time,) do you have a source regarding this information or is it speculation on your part?

[cmoss84]

One thing I keep reminding myself...Jaden could be a rookie or college senior this year...give him a couple years and I think he easily puts up 15/7/2/2/2. He is bound to hit 20ppg eventually.

[KGdaBom]

Baring a collapse where we finish 5th or lower I just don’t see it.

I think you're overrating his standing among the All NBA defense team voters.

Honest question with literally no attitude intended (hard to establish that with a written question so I just wanted to say it ahead of time,) do you have a source regarding this information or is it speculation on your part?

When I think something the source is always me. It's impossible to be anybody or anything else. I think you are overrating his standing. I don't know any All NBA Defense voters. I have no inside information.
Something that leads me to what I think is that they didn't vote Jaden All NBA Defense last year so I don't think it's very likely they will do so this year just because we are likely to finish higher in the standings.

[KGdaBom]

One thing I keep reminding myself...Jaden could be a rookie or college senior this year...give him a couple years and I think he easily puts up 15/7/2/2/2. He is bound to hit 20ppg eventually.

My expectation is that Jaden will never be a 20 PPG scorer. It doesn't seem to be in his DNA. I hope I'm wrong and he ends up a modern day Scottie Pippen. I also highly doubt the end 2-2. How many players in the NBA are averaging a 2-2? The answer is 0, zilch, none, nada, zip. Victor Wembanyama comes the closest with 3.2 blocks and 1.2 steals. Jaden is currently averaging 0.8 steals and 0.7 blocks.

[minimus]

One thing I keep reminding myself...Jaden could be a rookie or college senior this year...give him a couple years and I think he easily puts up 15/7/2/2/2. He is bound to hit 20ppg eventually.

My expectation is that Jaden will never be a 20 PPG scorer. It doesn't seem to be in his DNA. I hope I'm wrong and he ends up a modern day Scottie Pippen.

You should re watch four games last season when Edwards went down with injury.