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Post#101 » by PG Graveyard » Sun Jan 7, 2024 1:57 pm

You can harp on defense all you want but as long as Dame is on this roster I don’t think it’s possible to have good defense
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Post#102 » by JayMKE » Sun Jan 7, 2024 2:14 pm

PG Graveyard wrote:You can harp on defense all you want but as long as Dame is on this roster I don’t think it’s possible to have good defense

Might very well be true and I don’t think he’s that great of a fit on offense either, Giannis and him both want/need to pound the ball.
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Re: PG Rockets - Too Little, Too Late 

Post#103 » by PG Graveyard » Sun Jan 7, 2024 2:21 pm

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PG Graveyard wrote:You can harp on defense all you want but as long as Dame is on this roster I don’t think it’s possible to have good defense

Might very well be true and I don’t think he’s that great of a fit on offense either, Giannis and him both want/need to pound the ball.


I thought initially he opened up a of stuff offensively for Giannis but now I think Giannis is playing at such a high level he would probably be doing similar stuff with Jrue out there….Maybe not though. The offense has been special overall but we sacrificed defense to get that offense
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Post#104 » by BroncoBuck » Sun Jan 7, 2024 2:23 pm

PG Graveyard wrote:You can harp on defense all you want but as long as Dame is on this roster I don’t think it’s possible to have good defense


Philly had Harden and Maxey last year. Cleveland had Garland and Mitchell. It’s 100% scheme. You can mask an awful defender. This scheme just amplifies how bad his defense is.

The Bucks are pushing their defense out, but still funneling guys to Brook. You can’t funnel them into Brook if you are picking them up that far out, that’s just too much space. Opposing players have so much time to think now and Brook has to step up further which is leading to easy back door cuts (not to mention Giannis is further away from the hoop and unable to help at the rim).

The scheme just doesn’t work and it’s insane Griff keeps trotting it out there.
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Post#105 » by theFireBlanket » Sun Jan 7, 2024 2:25 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:Giannis crossed the line with the equipment manager


Apparently he's making them play in used, sweaty, smelly linens... Fire that guy too.
It was his attempt at deflecting from the fact he just called out Grief.


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Post#106 » by PG Graveyard » Sun Jan 7, 2024 2:25 pm

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PG Graveyard wrote:You can harp on defense all you want but as long as Dame is on this roster I don’t think it’s possible to have good defense


Philly had Harden and Maxey last year. Cleveland had Garland and Mitchell. It’s 100% scheme. You can mask an awful defender. This scheme just amplifies how bad his defense is.

The Bucks are pushing their defense out, but still funneling guys to Brook. You can’t funnel them into Brook if you are picking them up that far out, that’s just too much space. Opposing players have so much time to think now and Brook has to step up further which is leading to easy back door cuts (not to mention Giannis is further away from the hoop and unable to help at the rim).

The scheme just doesn’t work and it’s insane Griff keeps trotting it out there.


I’m sorry but those guys are all better defenders than Dame. Yes Harden is a better defender than Dame since he atleast can switch on a big. Plus it’s not just Dame it’s literally everyone on this roster not named Giannis. Compare it to last years roster.

Also we lost last night because the offense was trash outside of Giannis.
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Post#107 » by sidney lanier » Sun Jan 7, 2024 2:29 pm

The equipment manager and everyone else Giannis called out have a difficult puzzle to solve in the next few months. I like that he's restating the problem and understands that it's one we only have a few months to solve.

It's a puzzle that won't be solved in a minute or a day, though, and the failed attempts along the way are going to be frustrating.

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Post#108 » by Neuromancer56 » Sun Jan 7, 2024 2:31 pm

It's not that I don't disagree with Ajax starting over Beas, but in this video Beas basically is saying that Horst promised Beas a starting role on a championship caliber team to get him to take less money than he could have got from the Lakers and the Mavs. Is Grief being forced to start Beas?
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Post#109 » by paulpressey25 » Sun Jan 7, 2024 2:35 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:Giannis crossed the line with the equipment manager


Apparently he's making them play in used, sweaty, smelly linens... Fire that guy too.
It was his attempt at deflecting from the fact he just called out Grief.


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Re: PG Rockets - Too Little, Too Late 

Post#110 » by BroncoBuck » Sun Jan 7, 2024 2:42 pm

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PG Graveyard wrote:You can harp on defense all you want but as long as Dame is on this roster I don’t think it’s possible to have good defense


Philly had Harden and Maxey last year. Cleveland had Garland and Mitchell. It’s 100% scheme. You can mask an awful defender. This scheme just amplifies how bad his defense is.

The Bucks are pushing their defense out, but still funneling guys to Brook. You can’t funnel them into Brook if you are picking them up that far out, that’s just too much space. Opposing players have so much time to think now and Brook has to step up further which is leading to easy back door cuts (not to mention Giannis is further away from the hoop and unable to help at the rim).

The scheme just doesn’t work and it’s insane Griff keeps trotting it out there.


I’m sorry but those guys are all better defenders than Dame. Yes Harden is a better defender than Dame since he atleast can switch on a big. Plus it’s not just Dame it’s literally everyone on this roster not named Giannis. Compare it to last years roster.

Also we lost last night because the offense was trash outside of Giannis.


The offense last night has nothing to do with how the defense has looked ALL SEASON.

To put it into perspective, Terry Stotts was rolling out lineups with Dame, CJ, Norm Powell, Melo, and Enes Kanter. That Trailblazers team had a better defensive rating (116) than this year’s Bucks (116.5) lmao.
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Post#111 » by drew881 » Sun Jan 7, 2024 2:52 pm

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PG Graveyard wrote:You can harp on defense all you want but as long as Dame is on this roster I don’t think it’s possible to have good defense


Philly had Harden and Maxey last year. Cleveland had Garland and Mitchell. It’s 100% scheme. You can mask an awful defender. This scheme just amplifies how bad his defense is.

The Bucks are pushing their defense out, but still funneling guys to Brook. You can’t funnel them into Brook if you are picking them up that far out, that’s just too much space. Opposing players have so much time to think now and Brook has to step up further which is leading to easy back door cuts (not to mention Giannis is further away from the hoop and unable to help at the rim).

The scheme just doesn’t work and it’s insane Griff keeps trotting it out there.


I would be pissed if I were Brook. Dude was getting destroyed in the Spurs game. This defense is making him look really bad.
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Post#112 » by theFireBlanket » Sun Jan 7, 2024 3:02 pm

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PG Graveyard wrote:You can harp on defense all you want but as long as Dame is on this roster I don’t think it’s possible to have good defense


Philly had Harden and Maxey last year. Cleveland had Garland and Mitchell. It’s 100% scheme. You can mask an awful defender. This scheme just amplifies how bad his defense is.

The Bucks are pushing their defense out, but still funneling guys to Brook. You can’t funnel them into Brook if you are picking them up that far out, that’s just too much space. Opposing players have so much time to think now and Brook has to step up further which is leading to easy back door cuts (not to mention Giannis is further away from the hoop and unable to help at the rim).

The scheme just doesn’t work and it’s insane Griff keeps trotting it out there.


I would be pissed if I were Brook. Dude was getting destroyed in the Spurs game. This defense is making him look really bad.


He's pretty visibly frustrated out there as far as I've seen it.
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Post#113 » by GoldenAntlers » Sun Jan 7, 2024 3:10 pm

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Apparently he's making them play in used, sweaty, smelly linens... Fire that guy too.
It was his attempt at deflecting from the fact he just called out Grief.


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Post#114 » by PG Graveyard » Sun Jan 7, 2024 3:19 pm

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Philly had Harden and Maxey last year. Cleveland had Garland and Mitchell. It’s 100% scheme. You can mask an awful defender. This scheme just amplifies how bad his defense is.

The Bucks are pushing their defense out, but still funneling guys to Brook. You can’t funnel them into Brook if you are picking them up that far out, that’s just too much space. Opposing players have so much time to think now and Brook has to step up further which is leading to easy back door cuts (not to mention Giannis is further away from the hoop and unable to help at the rim).

The scheme just doesn’t work and it’s insane Griff keeps trotting it out there.


I’m sorry but those guys are all better defenders than Dame. Yes Harden is a better defender than Dame since he atleast can switch on a big. Plus it’s not just Dame it’s literally everyone on this roster not named Giannis. Compare it to last years roster.

Also we lost last night because the offense was trash outside of Giannis.


The offense last night has nothing to do with how the defense has looked ALL SEASON.

To put it into perspective, Terry Stotts was rolling out lineups with Dame, CJ, Norm Powell, Melo, and Enes Kanter. That Trailblazers team had a better defensive rating (116) than this year’s Bucks (116.5) lmao.


Apples to oranges. Scoring is way up. Common denominator is that Dame guy though. He’s a defense destroyer
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Post#115 » by Sigra » Sun Jan 7, 2024 3:35 pm

Dame is terrible defender for sure. But in Portland he never had defenders like Giannis and Lopez in paint. I am sure all of us knew that Dame is terrible defender but wanted him exactly because we have Giannis and Lopez in paint. And then our new coach has "defend 3s and not paint" strategy at defense. The more I think about this the more I am upset. We are destroying historic oportunity here. :banghead:
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Post#116 » by Matches Malone » Sun Jan 7, 2024 3:36 pm

Wonder if Giannis is having any second thoughts about choosing Dame to be his running mate now that he knows the defensive effort isn't there night in and night out.
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Post#117 » by theFireBlanket » Sun Jan 7, 2024 3:37 pm

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GoldenAntlers wrote:It was his attempt at deflecting from the fact he just called out Grief.


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Post#118 » by theFireBlanket » Sun Jan 7, 2024 3:50 pm

Sigra wrote:Dame is terrible defender for sure. But in Portland he never had defenders like Giannis and Lopez in paint. I am sure all of us knew that Dame is terrible defender but wanted him exactly because we have Giannis and Lopez in paint. And then our new coach has "defend 3s and not paint" strategy at defense. The more I think about this the more I am upset. We are destroying historic oportunity here. :banghead:


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Post#119 » by Profound23 » Sun Jan 7, 2024 3:51 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Wonder if Giannis is having any second thoughts about choosing Dame to be his running mate now that he knows the defensive effort isn't there night in and night out.


I think he expected that, but didn't see this subpar offense happening.
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Post#120 » by German Athens » Sun Jan 7, 2024 3:56 pm

Portland did have two top 10 D’s while Dame was there, but most years they were awful on that end.

In 2018, they had the 6th ranked defense with their two most common 5-man lineups being:

Dame - CJ - Evan Turner - Aminu - Nurkic

Dame - CJ - Harkless - Aminu - Nurkic

That was forever ago, but it’s by no means impossible to have a good D with Dame. We can and should be better than we are on that end.

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