Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[bballsparkin]

IF it's the Pacers, and let's assume both aren't coming back in a trade, who is the better fit between Mathurin and Walker as the primary piece in a Pascal deal?

Nesmith.

Just checked his stats. Wow he's shooting 45% from threes. Yet his FT% is down to 71.2%. I see his name mentioned a lot lately. I will have to start paying attention to him.

[deeps6x]

Raptors get:
Jarace Walker
Aaron Nesmith/Ben Shepard
Isaiah Jackson/Jalen Smith
First Round Pick (Pacers)
Jonathan Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins
First Round Pick (Warriors)

Pacers get:
Pascal Siakam

Warriors get:
Bruce Brown
Jalen McDaniels
Garrett Temple

This is as realistic as my chances with Ana de Armas

Correction. As realistic as MY chances with Ana de Armas. I'm old, short and have tiny teeth.

Didn't Batman dump her?

[Spida888]

Raptors get:
Jarace Walker
Aaron Nesmith/Ben Shepard
Isaiah Jackson/Jalen Smith
First Round Pick (Pacers)
Jonathan Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins
First Round Pick (Warriors)

Pacers get:
Pascal Siakam

Warriors get:
Bruce Brown
Jalen McDaniels
Garrett Temple

That is such an unbelievably bad trade for the Warriors that the league would block it.

I thought Wiggins was considered so bad, they'd have to attach stuff to get rid of it.

Wiggins is a negative contract, but Warriors would be worst after this trade, so can't see that happening.

The IND offer though may not be far off. I'd be down with Nesmith + Walker but Indy is so thin at SF, they'd be reluctant to give Nesmith up. If Masai can somehow convince Indy that McDaniels can fill that void, then that'd be something .

[Jerry Lucas]

I genuinely don't understand why we didn't just offer him a max or near-max extension in the summer early enough for him to be eligible to be traded by the deadline.

Would have cured so many problems affecting us now. Siakam at 45m but with several years of control is definitely more valuable than Siakam at 37m as an expiring.

Because the Raptors reportedly have only ever offered a 3-year term, and IMO Siakam is gunning for either the max extension with max term including juiced yearly raises that he can only receive in the offseason from the team who holds his Bird Rights, or he'll take a 4 year max from Philly. Not only is Masai unwilling to give him the supermax, he also seems to be unwilling to go max term on even a regular max deal.

[OakleyDokely]

IND is a very cautious organization who really only make big deals when they've run out of options (PG / Sabonis). Otherwise, they make their picks and tinker around the edges.

They're a team like the Kings, who are only probably only interested if they can get him for junk. They had the assets to land OG, who played in Indiana and they still didn't do it.

I think it's going to be a win now team that ultimately trades for him. If it does happen.

I agree that Indy is a cautious org. They need to be, since FAs are not signing there. But the risk for them is Hali. If he is pushing them to be more competitive in the short term, do they ignore his pleas?

I.think they.could consolidate for a 2nd star, but I.doubt they do until Hali makes some noise about it

[MiamiSPX]

Raptors get:
Jarace Walker
Aaron Nesmith/Ben Shepard
Isaiah Jackson/Jalen Smith
First Round Pick (Pacers)
Jonathan Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins
First Round Pick (Warriors)

Pacers get:
Pascal Siakam

Warriors get:
Bruce Brown
Jalen McDaniels
Garrett Temple

That is such an unbelievably bad trade for the Warriors that the league would block it.

I thought Wiggins was considered so bad, they'd have to attach stuff to get rid of it.

As bad as Wiggins has been this year, he is still better than all 3 of the players you have going to them, combined. Temple and McDaniels shouldn't even be in the league and Brown is the definition of meh.

In this trade you have the Raptors coming out with 3-4 rotation players, a lottery prospect, and a 1st round pick LOL.

[OakleyDokely]

My sleeper teams are HOU, BRK and MIA

[Tha Cynic]

Siakam won't be back next season. There's no way you can just mend fences and sign him after everything that has transpired. If he was being extended, that would have happened. Siakam will be traded for something or another. It may not be what we all want. Also if he goes into free agency as an unrestricted free agent. I can easily see him signing with another team or taking a shorter deal with high annual salary and the re-entering free agency. There's just way too much risk to not trade him. It doesn't make sense from either side for him to come come back.

[JB7]

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I call BS. Curry turns 36 in March. Are they really prepared to throw away another playoff run this late in Curry's career?

GS might as well trade Curry if they aren't interested in getting him a second star.

What's the plan, win 40 games every.yeat until he retires?

Unfortunately, he is the one player they cannot afford to trade. Hard to ask their fans to pay top dollar (most expensive seats in the NBA I believe) if Curry is not there.

So they are essentially forced to try and compete as long as he is playing at a high level.

[Jerry Lucas]

I call BS. Curry turns 36 in March. Are they really prepared to throw away another playoff run this late in Curry's career?

GS might as well trade Curry if they aren't interested in getting him a second star.

What's the plan, win 40 games every.yeat until he retires?

Unfortunately, he is the one player they cannot afford to trade. Hard to ask their fans to pay top dollar (most expensive seats in the NBA I believe) if Curry is not there.

So they are essentially forced to try and compete as long as he is playing at a high level.

They need to get Curry a new Robin if they want to compete for a chip again.

[JB7]

IND is a very cautious organization who really only make big deals when they've run out of options (PG / Sabonis). Otherwise, they make their picks and tinker around the edges.

They're a team like the Kings, who are only probably only interested if they can get him for junk. They had the assets to land OG, who played in Indiana and they still didn't do it.

I think it's going to be a win now team that ultimately trades for him. If it does happen.

I agree that Indy is a cautious org. They need to be, since FAs are not signing there. But the risk for them is Hali. If he is pushing them to be more competitive in the short term, do they ignore his pleas?

I.think they.could consolidate for a 2nd star, but I.doubt they do until Hali makes some noise about it

Weren't there rumours early this year that he was making noise on the team making a trade? All last year they were trying to trade for Pascal and OG. I think Hali is already getting impatient. The appearance in the in-year tourney final probably didn't help.

[bballsparkin]

No rumours might be good since Masai's deals come out of nowhere.

The Lakers suck, says LeBron himself. Pascal would probably be the best talent they could add to try and make a playoff run this year and the Lakers aren't a franchise that needs to worry about rentals. A bit tricky to make salary work but what about:

Siakam + Schroder = Hachimura + Reaves + Russell + FRP

The Lakers get the best player in Pascal who now gives them a very dangerous Big 3. They need to include D'Lo for salary purposes so they reunite with Schroder who played well for them last year.

Toronto gets two young guys in Hachimura and Reaves who still have room to grow and are on reasonable contracts for the next few years. I see them both as high-floor players rather than high-ceiling prospects, which some people might not care for. I think they could be solid rotation pieces moving forward and both are ready to contribute today. To make salary work Toronto has to take Russell, a notorious Raptors killer; he's helps with our guard play but isn't a long-term commitment as he has a player option next year.

This is what it has come to. Last year I'm not doing that deal. This season...

[jayu70]

Hawks fans say DJM signed the extension to stop the trade to Toronto for Siakam over the summer

Agreement was done with understanding he’d be traded where he wanted to go

Interesting

This is exactly what we should have done with Siakam instead we wanna call him selfish and act like total douches regarding the situation. Very interested how this saga ends...

Not just Hawks fans, who is Samson Folk? Credible or no?

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Who is Sam Folk

[JB7]

Pascal and his no-name agent want the most money for Pascal. If Pacers give him the most, and if I'm not mistaken as his former team they'd be the only one who can offer him a 5-year deal, I think he'd take it. This is the last big contract for Pascal.

Pascal isn't turning down the team holding his bird rights, if he is offered a 5 year max deal (not supermax, only the regular max - moment he is traded he is ineligible for the supermax). That 5th year will be age 34 for him, with him turning 35 at the end of the season. He is not getting max money at that age in a new deal.

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So all this BS coming out of Pascal's camp is just BS. He's going take the max of any team who trades for him. Pascal's agent might be pissed that Raps aren't giving him the max they want and are trying to topedo Pascal's value.

I think the message they have been sending is fairly clear. He won't sign until the summer, because that is when the team holding his rights can offer him the most, i.e. the 5th year.

I think organizations trading for him would rather he sign an extension immediately, because then it would need to be short (2 years), which they would probably prefer.

I think organizations through the media, are just mixing up the message. It benefits teams trying to trade for him if they position him as a short term rental, and therefore a lower cost in a trade. Meanwhile, they know that by having his bird rights they will be in the best position to resign him. Unless Pascal is willing for forgo over $50M.

[bballsparkin]

I thought this was a Siakam appreciation thread, man got me excited

Weird.

If it was, the pages would be going up exponentially!

[deeps6x]

Ideally we should be looking for a potential 'next star' type who plays behind a star that will never leave their team. This is how IQ became available IMHO. So who plays the same position as an all star starter on other teams with potential upside?

Maybe we should make a list.

Cason Wallace isn't overtaking Shae or Giddy. Plus OKC is really close now. Maybe Siakam can put them over the top? Chet will play C more when he bulks up. And they have to start packaging picks for players soon. Dort would have to be part of the package to match salaries.

Jalen Smith is stuck behind Toppin, and he will probably opt out of his player option this summer. Not necessarily a future star, but he can make 3s. I'm sure Indy would want him to be part of an offer for Siakam.

Just two off the top of my head. Any others come to mind for anyone else?

[720]

So no Kuminga, Jalen Johnson, or Keegan. This is what happens when your star player self sabotages and your GM holds on to the asset for too long. I don’t blame Siakam, the longer Masai waited the more leverage Siakam got.

[TorontoRapsFan]

IF it's the Pacers, and let's assume both aren't coming back in a trade, who is the better fit between Mathurin and Walker as the primary piece in a Pascal deal?

Nesmith.

Just checked his stats. Wow he's shooting 45% from threes. Yet his FT% is down to 71.2%. I see his name mentioned a lot lately. I will have to start paying attention to him.

Mathurin looks real special though. Out of all the players named as trade target I feel he's the best out there.

[LoveMyRaps]

My sleeper teams are HOU, BRK and MIA

My sleeper teams at the start of the season were Pistons and Grizzlies. It seems like those two are officially linked to Pascal now, so sleeper no longer.

I'll go ahead and toss the Cavs and Pels in the mix now.

[alpngso]

Hawks fans say DJM signed the extension to stop the trade to Toronto for Siakam over the summer

Agreement was done with understanding he’d be traded where he wanted to go

Interesting

This is exactly what we should have done with Siakam instead we wanna call him selfish and act like total douches regarding the situation. Very interested how this saga ends...

Not just Hawks fans, who is Samson Folk? Credible or no?

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Who is Sam Folk

Raptors beat writer/blogger