Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24 – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET)

[snowman]

Bey or OPJ to Boston confirmed.

Pretty sure that we can't trade for OPJ unless we send out matching salaries. He does not fit in the Grant TPE. His salary is 6,300,000 and the TPE is 6,202,000. He makes 98,000 too much and there is no wriggle room from what I have read.

There's a $250K buffer (used to be $100K). Trading for OPJ using the Grant TPE would be legal.

For non-simultaneous traded player exceptions, generally called “trade exceptions,” the padding is also increased from $100,000 to $250,000. The Atlanta Hawks have a $6,292,440 trade exception for Justin Holiday that expires on February 9, 2024. As of July, the Hawks can take back a player earning up to $6,542,440.

Source: https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/understanding-trade-matching-in-the-new-collective-bargaining-agreement/

Thanks for the info. Glad I was wrong. Weren't there some interest a couple seasons ago with OPJ before he was signed by the Raptors, after getting dropped by the Warriors?

[Hal14]

Pretty sure that we can't trade for OPJ unless we send out matching salaries. He does not fit in the Grant TPE. His salary is 6,300,000 and the TPE is 6,202,000. He makes 98,000 too much and there is no wriggle room from what I have read.

There's a $250K buffer (used to be $100K). Trading for OPJ using the Grant TPE would be legal.

For non-simultaneous traded player exceptions, generally called “trade exceptions,” the padding is also increased from $100,000 to $250,000. The Atlanta Hawks have a $6,292,440 trade exception for Justin Holiday that expires on February 9, 2024. As of July, the Hawks can take back a player earning up to $6,542,440.

Source: https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/understanding-trade-matching-in-the-new-collective-bargaining-agreement/

Thanks for the info. Glad I was wrong. Weren't there some interest a couple seasons ago with OPJ before he was signed by the Raptors, after getting dropped by the Warriors?

I think there was perhaps some rumors about us being interested in signing him but we signed Gallo instead - yeah.

[BK_2020]

OPJ is racking up DNP-CDs on a team starved for three-point shooting and when he does play, does nothing. At 6 million that's a very expensive 2.5 points per every 5th game.

[ConstableGeneva]

OPJ is racking up DNP-CDs on a team starved for three-point shooting and when he does play, does nothing. At 6 million that's a very expensive 2.5 points per every 5th game.

It's closer to $30M if Cs use the Grant TPE to add another player.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Saric and Moody fits into the TPE, so maybe some draft capital for them.

[Fierce1]

Saric and Moody fits into the TPE, so maybe some draft capital for them.

Suns will need Saric for the playoffs.

But the lottery Warriors might relinquish Moody.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Saric and Moody fits into the TPE, so maybe some draft capital for them.

Suns will need Saric for the playoffs.

But the lottery Warriors might relinquish Moody.

Both are at Warriors…

[BK_2020]

Moody looks to be one of those guys you take a chance on a non-guaranteed contract in the off-season more than who can help you in the playoffs.

[Fierce1]

Saric and Moody fits into the TPE, so maybe some draft capital for them.

Suns will need Saric for the playoffs.

But the lottery Warriors might relinquish Moody.

Both are at Warriors…

My bad.

Yeah, Moody might be available, but do the Cs really need another 6-5 player?

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Suns will need Saric for the playoffs.

But the lottery Warriors might relinquish Moody.

Both are at Warriors…

My bad.

Yeah, Moody might be available, but do the Cs really need another 6-5 player?

After this year we are heavily restricted about the talent we can get in without it being straight swap. Moody looks pretty decent and the only thing stopping us paying him in a rookie scale extension is whether Wyc etc would want to. You could get him AND Saric into the Grant TPE, Saric can play backup 4 or 5 (big wing or small center). Saric can help this year potentially in playoffs and good injury coverage. Moody is a way to have longer term depth and is possibly handy if PP is unplayable in playoffs. Saric only 29 also…

[Fierce1]

Both are at Warriors…

My bad.

Yeah, Moody might be available, but do the Cs really need another 6-5 player?

After this year we are heavily restricted about the talent we can get in without it being straight swap. Moody looks pretty decent and the only thing stopping us paying him in a rookie scale extension is whether Wyc etc would want to. You could get him AND Saric into the Grant TPE, Saric can play backup 4 or 5 (big wing or small center). Saric can help this year potentially in playoffs and good injury coverage. Moody is a way to have longer term depth and is possibly handy if PP is unplayable in playoffs. Saric only 29 also…

I think Saric would be a good fit in Boston.

It would be a good get.

[165bows]

Pretty sure that we can't trade for OPJ unless we send out matching salaries. He does not fit in the Grant TPE. His salary is 6,300,000 and the TPE is 6,202,000. He makes 98,000 too much and there is no wriggle room from what I have read.

There's a $250K buffer (used to be $100K). Trading for OPJ using the Grant TPE would be legal.

For non-simultaneous traded player exceptions, generally called “trade exceptions,” the padding is also increased from $100,000 to $250,000. The Atlanta Hawks have a $6,292,440 trade exception for Justin Holiday that expires on February 9, 2024. As of July, the Hawks can take back a player earning up to $6,542,440.

Source: https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/understanding-trade-matching-in-the-new-collective-bargaining-agreement/

Thanks for the info. Glad I was wrong. Weren't there some interest a couple seasons ago with OPJ before he was signed by the Raptors, after getting dropped by the Warriors?

Hmm couldn't remember where that stood either - so if the fudge factor is 250k, then looks like Tate miiight fit into it after all (he's got a bonus that may or may not factor in).

Though he's been starting a bit lately looks like so that may not be an option barring other trades.

[Hal14]

There's a $250K buffer (used to be $100K). Trading for OPJ using the Grant TPE would be legal.



Source: https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/understanding-trade-matching-in-the-new-collective-bargaining-agreement/

Thanks for the info. Glad I was wrong. Weren't there some interest a couple seasons ago with OPJ before he was signed by the Raptors, after getting dropped by the Warriors?

Hmm couldn't remember where that stood either - so if the fudge factor is 250k, then looks like Tate miiight fit into it after all (he's got a bonus that may or may not factor in).

Though he's been starting a bit lately looks like so that may not be an option barring other trades.

I believe Tate does (barely) fit in the TPE as well but I don't see him coming to boston because:

a) as you said, he's been starting and playing a good amount in houston. And they're right in the playoff hunt. Ime said when he took the job that he's never missed the playoffs during his coaching career and he is not missing the playoffs this year. IDK if that will actually happen but I do not expect houston to be sellers at the deadline - especially when you look at how aggressive their moves were last summer.

b) I think if we add a wing, it'll be one who can shoot, or at least is more of a scoring option than Tate is...Tate is basically like a hybrid of Banton, Brissett and Stevens.. (he can defend like Stevens, pressure the rim and passes like banton, hustles and rebounds like Brissett but like those guys, he can't shoot).. i don't think we need another wing who can't shoot.

[Celts17Pride]

What a dumpster fire the Atlanta Hawks are this year. If anyone knows the plan in Atlanta please enlighten me.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Time to go back to Mr Reliable,
Corey Kispert.
.

[KillahGhostface]

What a dumpster fire the Atlanta Hawks are this year. If anyone knows the plan in Atlanta please enlighten me.

Trae is going to ask out next summer.

I love Jalen Johnson, I like Kong, Hunter, and Griffin. The rest of the team should go, and they should tank.

[Celts17Pride]

What a dumpster fire the Atlanta Hawks are this year. If anyone knows the plan in Atlanta please enlighten me.

Trae is going to ask out next summer.

I love Jalen Johnson, I like Kong, Hunter, and Griffin. The rest of the team should go, and they should tank.

They can't tank because I believe they gave most of their draft picks to SA for DJM. Maybe I'm wrong, I'll have to check. Whatever they are doing, it's not working.

[KillahGhostface]

What a dumpster fire the Atlanta Hawks are this year. If anyone knows the plan in Atlanta please enlighten me.

Trae is going to ask out next summer.

I love Jalen Johnson, I like Kong, Hunter, and Griffin. The rest of the team should go, and they should tank.

They can't tank because I believe they gave most of their draft picks to SA for DJM. Maybe I'm wrong, I'll have to check. Whatever they are doing, it's not working.

They are bad. Trae is Haliburton minus the size, and less efficient. Murray is empty stats for the most part, and Capela is just out there.

They play a hideous brand of basketball too.

[BK_2020]

What a dumpster fire the Atlanta Hawks are this year. If anyone knows the plan in Atlanta please enlighten me.

Trae is going to ask out next summer.

I love Jalen Johnson, I like Kong, Hunter, and Griffin. The rest of the team should go, and they should tank.

They can't tank because I believe they gave most of their draft picks to SA for DJM. Maybe I'm wrong, I'll have to check. Whatever they are doing, it's not working.

They have their own pick in 2024 but all the rest are gone until 2028. As for 2024 they are already in the 7th slot and there is no realistic path to catching the bottom 5 even with concerted tanking.

[165bows]

Thanks for the info. Glad I was wrong. Weren't there some interest a couple seasons ago with OPJ before he was signed by the Raptors, after getting dropped by the Warriors?

Hmm couldn't remember where that stood either - so if the fudge factor is 250k, then looks like Tate miiight fit into it after all (he's got a bonus that may or may not factor in).

Though he's been starting a bit lately looks like so that may not be an option barring other trades.

I believe Tate does (barely) fit in the TPE as well but I don't see him coming to boston because:

a) as you said, he's been starting and playing a good amount in houston. And they're right in the playoff hunt. Ime said when he took the job that he's never missed the playoffs during his coaching career and he is not missing the playoffs this year. IDK if that will actually happen but I do not expect houston to be sellers at the deadline - especially when you look at how aggressive their moves were last summer.

b) I think if we add a wing, it'll be one who can shoot, or at least is more of a scoring option than Tate is...Tate is basically like a hybrid of Banton, Brissett and Stevens..i don't think we need another wing who can't shoot.

That’s why I ended with “barring other trades.” They could pretty easily become buyers and if so the possibility of an upgrade over Tate therefore making him available. Still think Boston wants someone bigger sized though.