Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[GIZMO]

Or...securing the max possible contract...THEN demanding a trade with a list of teams he'd go to and handcuffing the team's ability to extract max value.

That’s quite presumptuous!

This has been the playbook for a lot of star players these last few seasons. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Pascal convinces management to give him all the money he can possibly get then quietly quit his way to a team of his choice. After all...this next contract is likely his last big pay day.

Again you’re being presumptuous! He wants the max, why wouldn’t he, everyone in his shoes would do the same! But quitting on the team after he signs a big contract, by all counts seeems incorrect.

[PhilBlackson]

You guys want this team to be bad soon badly lol lol I'm confused as to why tho, but I guess I get it. The unknown is always greener

Just another unfounded gaslighting comment lol

It's been explained many times that it financially doesn't make sense...RJ is already a big contract, Yak is on a bloated contract, IQ is about to get a HUGE pay increase (so another big contract), Pascal would be maxed, Scottie would be maxed out. You'd not only have nothing left to even remotely create a Phoenix Suns like "bench" lol, you'd be a repeat offending lux tax team and for what?!?

That team isn't contending, that team would be LUCKY to be middle of the pack and more likely a Play In team. MLSE is not going to eat literally hundreds of millions in luxury tax for that. That's just being realistic, it's not about "wanting to be bad" lol that's a childlike assertion, it's what is actually feasible if you really want to compete at the highest level and what's not. This is not a feasible option if you REALLY want to contend any time soon.

[WuTang_CMB]

Sucks for Hali. Remember how awful they were without him last season

[metafisical]

I am obviously not in the know, but if all this stuff about Siakim and/or his agent saying that they don't want to re-sign anywhere but Toronto is true, I would call his bluff. I would wait until the off-season to see what he would re-sign with us for. I would offer $30M for 2 seasons or 2 seasons plus a team option.

[Tha Cynic]

I am obviously not in the know, but if all this stuff about Siakim and/or his agent saying that they don't want to re-sign anywhere but Toronto is true, I would call his bluff. I would wait until the off-season to see what he would re-sign with us for. I would offer $30M for 2 seasons or 2 seasons plus a team option.

The Raptors are not offering him the max. Siakam has sabotaged every trade attempt the Raptors have made. Do we really think he's going to then turn around and sign an extension with the Raptors in the offseason?

He knows where he wants to go. Any team can make trades and free up space to sign him if they knew he would join them. There's no way you can take the risk of keeping him beyond this trade deadline. He's on his way out and the Raptors want to move on.

[mtcan]

I am obviously not in the know, but if all this stuff about Siakim and/or his agent saying that they don't want to re-sign anywhere but Toronto is true, I would call his bluff. I would wait until the off-season to see what he would re-sign with us for. I would offer $30M for 2 seasons or 2 seasons plus a team option.

You want him to leave for nothing in return? Can't lowball him.

[Wise80]

I just don't get this Pascal thing. It's clear the raptors don't want him and that he won't get significantly more money from us. I understood him shutting down trade rumors in the summer, there was definitely a chance of getting a lot more money.

Even if he has a team he wants to sign with next year. Why not go somewhere for half a year and compete in the playoffs and then move on. I can guarantee you the team he leaves will hate him less then if he leaves us.

Maybe he's trying to sink his value so that his new team won't have to give up as much? Who knows.

There can't be that much bad blood to the point where he is sabotaging everything just to stick it to them.

[DreamTeam09]

You guys want this team to be bad soon badly lol lol I'm confused as to why tho, but I guess I get it. The unknown is always greener

Just another unfounded gaslighting comment lol

It's been explained many times that it financially doesn't make sense...RJ is already a big contract, Yak is on a bloated contract, IQ is about to get a HUGE pay increase (so another big contract), Pascal would be maxed, Scottie would be maxed out. You'd not only have nothing left to even remotely create a Phoenix Suns like "bench" lol, you'd be a repeat offending lux tax team and for what?!?

That team isn't contending, that team would be LUCKY to be middle of the pack and more likely a Play In team. MLSE is not going to eat literally hundreds of millions in luxury tax for that. That's just being realistic, it's not about "wanting to be bad" lol that's a childlike assertion, it's what is actually feasible if you really want to compete at the highest level and what's not. This is not a feasible option if you REALLY want to contend any time soon.

We would not be in the tax next year which has been stated in multiple cases. We go 8-9 deep now, even if you max Pascal, retain quickly, ditch GTJ + the other expirings your still like 13-15mill away from the luxury tax.
Trading Pascal for dumb contracts & far out picks do not accomplish anything of the sort. If there's a young prospect out there for us, sure, I haven't seen anything according to rumors and the proposals y'all are coming up with does not spark any interest for me.

[MiamiSPX]

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Yeah, so basically it looks like Siakam wants to end the season with the Raptors and then pick his destination.

My take is that the 5th year isn't as big as people here think it is. FVV, his buddy has already shown him the alternative way, which is to take a short term deal with more money and then go back into free agency quicker with a long term deal. These guys already make so much money and teams throw out big money even to injured players. Also, it like like the Raptors are not going to offer the max at 5 years anyway.

I think he has a team he wants to join who he has already spoken to and has an agreement with and is simply trying to stay put with the Raptors until that happens in the off-season (Philly)? That's why Masai seems ready to take rotation players for him rather than the high upside young guys he usually looks for. I personally think Siakam is putting on a show for the media but behind the scenes is making it very difficult to trade him. From everything the Raptors have done, they don't want Siakam back either.

This is getting pretty desperately in terms of value. I would look for a defender, a scorer and a backup big and call it a day. The Kings offer comes somewhat close to that as Barnes can play the 4.

Pretty sure you're spot on. I don't think the 5th year or Bird Rights are as big a deal as everyone thinks. In fact, there hasn't been a single leak about him wanting that 5-year deal. The leaks have all been consistent in that he wants to control where he goes. Like you said (and someone else here last week), he likely already knows where he's going. The NBA is the shadiest league in terms of tampering and underhanded dealings. Look at how the Knicks landed Brunson and OG.

Barnes, Mitchell and Huerter isn't THAT bad. It's not "good" or anything to be excited about, but it IS better than the cap space. None of them make crazy money and Barnes is a solid vet. I wouldn't love it, but I wouldn't be up in arms about it either.

[Tha Cynic]

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Yeah, so basically it looks like Siakam wants to end the season with the Raptors and then pick his destination.

My take is that the 5th year isn't as big as people here think it is. FVV, his buddy has already shown him the alternative way, which is to take a short term deal with more money and then go back into free agency quicker with a long term deal. These guys already make so much money and teams throw out big money even to injured players. Also, it like like the Raptors are not going to offer the max at 5 years anyway.

I think he has a team he wants to join who he has already spoken to and has an agreement with and is simply trying to stay put with the Raptors until that happens in the off-season (Philly)? That's why Masai seems ready to take rotation players for him rather than the high upside young guys he usually looks for. I personally think Siakam is putting on a show for the media but behind the scenes is making it very difficult to trade him. From everything the Raptors have done, they don't want Siakam back either.

This is getting pretty desperately in terms of value. I would look for a defender, a scorer and a backup big and call it a day. The Kings offer comes somewhat close to that as Barnes can play the 4.

Pretty sure you're spot on. I don't think the 5th year or Bird Rights are as big a deal as everyone thinks. In fact, there hasn't been a single leak about him wanting that 5-year deal. The leaks have all been consistent in that he wants to control where he goes. Like you said (and someone else here last week), he likely already knows where he's going. The NBA is the shadiest league in terms of tampering and underhanded dealings. Look at how the Knicks landed Brunson and OG.

Barnes, Mitchell and Huerter isn't THAT bad. It's not "good" or anything to be excited about, but it IS better than the cap space. None of them make crazy money and Barnes is a solid vet. I wouldn't love it, but I wouldn't be up in arms about it either.

Yeah, I would hope for at least one a/b prospect in a Siakam trade, but if Masai thinks he has something in RJ Barrett, that's a solid foundation to build in already and you're then getting a pretty deep team with a trade like that. I think they probably value player control similar to how baseball works. This team has a hard time attracting players, so they need guys who will stay long term and a team deep enough where they can continue to increase their overall talent pool. They can do this with a Siakam trade. They still have Koloko and Dick who are still developing so this is a very young core that could win with a deep roster while developing.

[DreamTeam09]

You guys are trying to talk yourselves into taking on long term useless money in Barnes & Kevin Huerter rather than resigning Pascal, so now we are trading him for the sake of trading him.

He doesn't wanna control where he goes, he wants to remain a Raptor, if the Raptors don't want him then he's gonna go to FA. Why would anyone sign where they don't wanna be?

[Rapsfan07]

This is actually quite simple. Siakam wants a max 5 year deal. He is turning 30 on April 2nd. Whatever team hold his bird rights can offer him that deal and retain him. Short of that deal, he'll just test FA and get the max 4 year deal a team like the Sixers could offer.

So if Sacramento is saying he wouldn't sign, it is probably because he refused to sign until the summer when he can be maxed, and they probably don't have an interest in maxing him out at 5 years, and were trying to get him to sign an extension, which after the trade he could only sign for 2 years.

The reason Fred left was Houston offered him the max (for 2 years, 3rd yr is a team option that won't be picked up). Toronto wasn't willing to max Fred (which was a smart move).

Pascal wanting to stay with the Raps for the rest of this season, gives him ultimate flexibility. If by chance he becomes eligible for the supermax (making All-NBA), he could try and force their hands to sign him to that (similar to Beal). But, even if he is not eligible for the supermax, he would still be eligible for the regular max (5 year deal) from the team holding his bird rights, and in the summer he could try and force the Raps into a S&T with the team willing to pay that, and the city he would want to play.

Good summary.

I wonder if there is a scenario (i.e., the right team with the right trade assets) where Pascal would sign an extension with an option. That would give the acquiring team some relief knowing they had him for 2 playoff runs.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Pascal would get his max salary next year and could opt out and get a 20% raise in the first year of a subsequent deal as a non-Bird free agent. Doing it this way would be a lot more money compared to a straight 4 year deal (around $25-30M by my calculations). The risk of course is injury, in which case he’d “only” get the ~$90M from the original extension.

There's no chance Siakam signs a two year extension with anyone. On top of the injury risk that carries, two years from now he's 32 years old. No one is going to give a brand new 4 or 5 year max to a 32 year old Siakam.

It's much better for Siakam and his future to either get a 5 year max from the that holds his Bird Rights or take a 4 year max from a team that he actually wants to play for.

A 2 year extension just simply isn't in his best interest.

[GP2]

This **** is always so exhausting and seems to be a regular thing for us.

[Rapsfan07]

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Indy is prolly out of Siakam race if Haliburton injury is significant

Man that sucks. I mean the injury. Dude was having a special season.

Praying a speedy recovery for Haliburton. Dude was out of this world this season.

Welp, looks like one less suitor in the Siakam sweepstakes. Indiana is unlikely to pay up for Siakam if Hali is going to miss significant time this season.

What a goddamn mess. This is why you should pick a direction sooner and move guys in the second to last year of their contracts.

[mademan]

Siakam knows his role here. He's still the man or at worst the 2nd guy and the most senior player. He gets the ball when he wants, takes as many shots as he wants and his stats will look good here. Will they look the same elsewhere?

Hate him for it if you want, but if he wants a big contract, staying is the just the safe option. Who knows what he'll look like as the 3rd option on the Kings and how much money he might lose. Ditto to the Hawks with 2 ball dominant guards. Easy choice to stay on the Raps and keep his numbers. Selfish, sure, but it's his career and his money...he's supposed to be selfish.

[MiamiSPX]

You guys are trying to talk yourselves into taking on long term useless money in Barnes & Kevin Huerter rather than resigning Pascal, so now we are trading him for the sake of trading him.

He doesn't wanna control where he goes, he wants to remain a Raptor, if the Raptors don't want him then he's gonna go to FA. Why would anyone sign where they don't wanna be?

We are not the ones who can choose whether to sign him or not lol.

So far all indications are that the Raptors don't want him back. Siakam is refusing to commit to re-signing with anyone that trades for him. So it's about adjusting expectations.

[WuTang_CMB]

A Bam-Siakam-Jimmy trio would be so good

[Tor_Raps]

I've said it before but I truly think Siakam has already been tampered with from Philly and will sign there in the offseason for the max. He is going to finish the season and head there with us getting nothing back.

/Tin Foil Conspiracy

[WuTang_CMB]

Knicks still after DJM , and ya TOR did well waiting to get both IQ and RJ

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[WuTang_CMB]

fk ja morant out for the season