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Game Thread – Celtics @ Pacers – 7:00PM, Mon, Jan. 8, 2024

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Re: Game Thread – Celtics @ Pacers – 7:00PM, Mon, Jan. 8, 2024 

Post#641 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 2:44 am

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Shamrock wrote:Bro he got fouled but that is a trash *** shot. We shouldn't be in the position to throw up a garbage shot and leave time on the clock. UNACCEPTABLE

Cs were playing with house money.

Even if JB missed that shot, the game would've gone to OT.

The review cost the Celtics the possession because instead of time running out, the review allowed the Pacers to get possession with no time running.

They would've just called a timeout.

That's also an option.

But if JB just missed that shot and no call was made, time would just run out and we go to OT.

It was house money.
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Post#642 » by Triple7 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 2:46 am

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Fierce1 wrote:JB got fouled.

Joe didn't call a timeout because the Celtics were playing with house money, so to speak.

Cs had the last possession and even if the Cs missed, there was little or no time left for Indy.

What's unfortunate is the review cost the Celtics the possession because the possession went to Indy.


But there was time left for Indy. Jaylen should never have shot it before a near expiration of the clock. You either win it or go to OT.


Exactly!
If he’s playing hero ball, might as well shoot it as time expires. Really dumb move on Jaylen despite a really overall great game!
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Re: Game Thread – Celtics @ Pacers – 7:00PM, Mon, Jan. 8, 2024 

Post#643 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 2:46 am

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Fierce1 wrote:JB got fouled.

Joe didn't call a timeout because the Celtics were playing with house money, so to speak.

Cs had the last possession and even if the Cs missed, there was little or no time left for Indy.

What's unfortunate is the review cost the Celtics the possession because the possession went to Indy.


But there was time left for Indy. Jaylen should never have shot it before a near expiration of the clock. You either win it or go to OT.

Reason why there was time left was because the refs called a foul.

If there was no foul called, the shot would've bounced off the rim and both teams would have to fight for the rebound.

That would result in time running out or very time left.
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Post#644 » by Triple7 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 2:47 am

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BK_2020 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Cs were playing with house money.

Even if JB missed that shot, the game would've gone to OT.

The review cost the Celtics the possession because instead of time running out, the review allowed the Pacers to get possession with no time running.

They would've just called a timeout.

That's also an option.

But if JB just missed that shot and no call was made, time would just run out and we go to OT.

It was house money.


They would still have time. At least 2 secs to shoot.
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Post#645 » by lon3lytoaster » Tue Jan 9, 2024 2:47 am

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Shamrock wrote:Our end of game execution is absolutely horrendous.... When was the last time we got a good shot off at the end of the game? Championship caliber teams don't executive this poorly at the end of the games. Joe is absolute trash


Executions usually involved some sort of play.. Everyone in the world knows Joel doesn't call time out most of the time. He lets them figure it out.. Foul or not on brown that was a horrible possession.. There is no way you can't tell me a time out and a good play when i've gotten something better..


I agree with this take. Jaylen dribbled into no man’s land and was around three defenders and also early.

Let’s be honest, he probably would have missed the FTs. Needed a timeout like any other team in the history of the league.
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Post#646 » by Bill Lumbergh » Tue Jan 9, 2024 2:47 am

Brown shot too soon. That, and KP's stupid foul cost us. And the **** refs, of course.
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Post#647 » by Shamrock23 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 2:47 am

Unbelievable! Are you telling me these fckrs refs didn't see the foul on the replay monitor? Uh...did they just close their eyes during the review? What's the point of the video review if these fckrs make their own calls anyways? Idiots!
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Re: Game Thread – Celtics @ Pacers – 7:00PM, Mon, Jan. 8, 2024 

Post#649 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 2:49 am

Triple7 wrote:
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BK_2020 wrote:They would've just called a timeout.

That's also an option.

But if JB just missed that shot and no call was made, time would just run out and we go to OT.

It was house money.


They would still have time. At least 2 secs to shoot.

Nope.

You're forgetting that the refs already called the foul before the ball bounced off the rim.

If there was no foul called, the ball would have bounced off the rim and both teams would have to fight for the rebound.

At best, 1 second would be left.
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Post#650 » by Green89 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 2:51 am

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Fierce1 wrote:JB got fouled.

Joe didn't call a timeout because the Celtics were playing with house money, so to speak.

Cs had the last possession and even if the Cs missed, there was little or no time left for Indy.

What's unfortunate is the review cost the Celtics the possession because the possession went to Indy.


But there was time left for Indy. Jaylen should never have shot it before a near expiration of the clock. You either win it or go to OT.

Reason why there was time left was because the refs called a foul.

If there was no foul called, the shot would've bounced off the rim and both teams would have to fight for the rebound.

That would result in time running out or very time left.


They put the time back from where it was a dead ball, not the tip of the ball. Could have been a rebound by them, with similar time left.
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Post#651 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 2:53 am

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Green89 wrote:
But there was time left for Indy. Jaylen should never have shot it before a near expiration of the clock. You either win it or go to OT.

Reason why there was time left was because the refs called a foul.

If there was no foul called, the shot would've bounced off the rim and both teams would have to fight for the rebound.

That would result in time running out or very time left.


They put the time back from where it was a dead ball, not the tip of the ball. Could have been a rebound by them, with similar time left.

Nope.

The foul was already called before both teams had a chance to get the rebound.

At best, 1 second would be left if no foul was called and JB missed.
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Post#652 » by Green89 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 2:58 am

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Fierce1 wrote:Reason why there was time left was because the refs called a foul.

If there was no foul called, the shot would've bounced off the rim and both teams would have to fight for the rebound.

That would result in time running out or very time left.


They put the time back from where it was a dead ball, not the tip of the ball. Could have been a rebound by them, with similar time left.

Nope.

The foul was already called before both teams had a chance to get the rebound.

At best, 1 second would be left if no foul was called and JB missed.


The foul was overturned.
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Post#653 » by Lee Van Cleef » Tue Jan 9, 2024 3:16 am

The only good thing about this game: JB finally played like a $300M player.
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Post#654 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 4:11 am

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They put the time back from where it was a dead ball, not the tip of the ball. Could have been a rebound by them, with similar time left.

Nope.

The foul was already called before both teams had a chance to get the rebound.

At best, 1 second would be left if no foul was called and JB missed.


The foul was overturned.

Exactly!

If there was no foul called then the time would not have stopped running.

By calling a foul, that stopped the clock.

If the refs just made that a no-call then the clock would have continued to run until a player gets the rebound and calls timeout.
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Re: Game Thread – Celtics @ Pacers – 7:00PM, Mon, Jan. 8, 2024 

Post#655 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 4:45 am

Fierce1 wrote:
Green89 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:JB got fouled.

Joe didn't call a timeout because the Celtics were playing with house money, so to speak.

Cs had the last possession and even if the Cs missed, there was little or no time left for Indy.

What's unfortunate is the review cost the Celtics the possession because the possession went to Indy.


But there was time left for Indy. Jaylen should never have shot it before a near expiration of the clock. You either win it or go to OT.

Reason why there was time left was because the refs called a foul.

If there was no foul called, the shot would've bounced off the rim and both teams would have to fight for the rebound.

That would result in time running out or very time left.


How dare you use logic to ruin agendas! Don’t you know the minute JB shoots the clock stops until the other team gets the ball back?!?! Lololol
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Post#656 » by Geech » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:20 am

I'm sure you guys already hashed this out, but I just watched this and why did the refs mistake result in the Pacers getting the ball? Brown didn't foul anyone nor did he turn it over. Porzingus was headed for the rebound when the whistle blew and he stopped because of it. Not even a jump ball? Rerun the inbounds from the other end of the court? Doesn't seem right.
Secondly, the Pacers player jumped into Porzingus on that last shot. He landed 3 or 4 feet inside the 3 pt arc from a jump shot. But it doesn't seem right that it even got to that far.
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Post#657 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:53 am

Geech wrote:I'm sure you guys already hashed this out, but I just watched this and why did the refs mistake result in the Pacers getting the ball? Brown didn't foul anyone nor did he turn it over. Porzingus was headed for the rebound when the whistle blew and he stopped because of it. Not even a jump ball? Rerun the inbounds from the other end of the court? Doesn't seem right.
Secondly, the Pacers player jumped into Porzingus on that last shot. He landed 3 or 4 feet inside the 3 pt arc from a jump shot. But it doesn't seem right that it even got to that far.

What the refs do is give the ball to the team who had possession after play was stopped.

That's what I keep pointing out.

When the refs blew the whistle, the players stopped playing.

But the ball went to a Pacer player.

That's why the Pacers got the ball back after the call was overturned.

It would've been a different story if the refs didn't call a foul and the players were allowed to go after the rebound.
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Post#658 » by BK_2020 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 11:34 am

Fierce1 wrote:
Geech wrote:I'm sure you guys already hashed this out, but I just watched this and why did the refs mistake result in the Pacers getting the ball? Brown didn't foul anyone nor did he turn it over. Porzingus was headed for the rebound when the whistle blew and he stopped because of it. Not even a jump ball? Rerun the inbounds from the other end of the court? Doesn't seem right.
Secondly, the Pacers player jumped into Porzingus on that last shot. He landed 3 or 4 feet inside the 3 pt arc from a jump shot. But it doesn't seem right that it even got to that far.

What the refs do is give the ball to the team who had possession after play was stopped.

That's what I keep pointing out.

When the refs blew the whistle, the players stopped playing.

But the ball went to a Pacer player.

That's why the Pacers got the ball back after the call was overturned.

It would've been a different story if the refs didn't call a foul and the players were allowed to go after the rebound.

They would've gotten the rebound regardless.
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Post#659 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Jan 9, 2024 11:40 am

BK_2020 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
Geech wrote:I'm sure you guys already hashed this out, but I just watched this and why did the refs mistake result in the Pacers getting the ball? Brown didn't foul anyone nor did he turn it over. Porzingus was headed for the rebound when the whistle blew and he stopped because of it. Not even a jump ball? Rerun the inbounds from the other end of the court? Doesn't seem right.
Secondly, the Pacers player jumped into Porzingus on that last shot. He landed 3 or 4 feet inside the 3 pt arc from a jump shot. But it doesn't seem right that it even got to that far.

What the refs do is give the ball to the team who had possession after play was stopped.

That's what I keep pointing out.

When the refs blew the whistle, the players stopped playing.

But the ball went to a Pacer player.

That's why the Pacers got the ball back after the call was overturned.

It would've been a different story if the refs didn't call a foul and the players were allowed to go after the rebound.

They would've gotten the rebound regardless.
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Post#660 » by Geech » Tue Jan 9, 2024 2:27 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:What the refs do is give the ball to the team who had possession after play was stopped.

That's what I keep pointing out.

When the refs blew the whistle, the players stopped playing.

But the ball went to a Pacer player.

That's why the Pacers got the ball back after the call was overturned.

It would've been a different story if the refs didn't call a foul and the players were allowed to go after the rebound.

They would've gotten the rebound regardless.
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White still calling for the ball? Sorry, bud, you’re not getting it.


This image shows Porzingus decelerating (leaning back) because of the whistle and the Pacers players no longer near Brown. But that being the rule, you need to keep playing after the whistle until someone has possession again and that didn't happen.

It also seems stupid to me that a refs timeout got the ball from under the basket to down the other side of the court. This must be another rule. I have no idea where the C's would have inbounded the ball if they rebounded/caught the miss.

I still saw Hield hit Brown on the head. The call was overturned because somehow the refs didn't see it on their replay.

Then I saw Matherin jump into Porzingus, which is why his feet landed three feet inside the arc after a jump shot. He did also hit him on the arm after the block. No rules confusion there, just disagreement as a C's fan.

Thanks for the clarification.

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