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Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0

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Re: Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0 

Post#1621 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jan 8, 2024 2:33 pm

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BTW - Cole Swider in an NBA player. He's got Duncan 2.0 written all over him.

Elite shooter, plays within himself, good size. If Duncan is traded, this guy is a must have.

Cole Swider will be immediately converted to a contract the moment Duncan is traded.


I might die alone on this train, but I swear I believe in Swider more then I do in O.Robinson/Cain/Dru/Bouyea/Alondes.

He's like a less streaky Duncan. Really elite shooting with his size and aggressiveness = useful player. I'd lock him up cheap for 4 years if I could.

BTW Bouyea has the best first step of anyone in a Heat Jersey currently. I'd like see him playing with the Heat for a few games, you can't teach his quickness.

I believe the plan all along is for Swider to be developed as the new Duncan. Our cap sheep can’t handle paying Duncan close to 20 million. That money needs to be allocated to our next starting PG. I still believe Duncan is going to get traded with a pick attached that will bring some wiggle room under the super tax which is currently 25k from the line and Swider will be converted to a guaranteed contract and given the chance to fill the Duncan specialist role.
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Post#1622 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jan 8, 2024 2:55 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:I wish Kuzma wasn't such an idiot, Him and Tyus for Lowry would fit.

I wonder who's going to outbid for Mitchell. Knicks don't seem likley with their roster. Nets don't have much to offer.

I just want us to hold out waiting for a Mitchell trade only to end up like the Lilard Fiasco

Cavs are going to leverage a Mitchell trade into the summer. They may not even want an elaborate pick package and could possibly settle for Herro who’s under contract and Jovic. Trading Herro for Mitchell would have to happen on our end in order to absorb Mitchell’s extension. We just saw Barrett and Quickley traded for Anunoby so not all trades with some of these teams have to consist of trading multiple 1st if the player return is good.
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Post#1623 » by RexBoyWonder » Mon Jan 8, 2024 3:21 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Cole Swider will be immediately converted to a contract the moment Duncan is traded.


I might die alone on this train, but I swear I believe in Swider more then I do in O.Robinson/Cain/Dru/Bouyea/Alondes.

He's like a less streaky Duncan. Really elite shooting with his size and aggressiveness = useful player. I'd lock him up cheap for 4 years if I could.

BTW Bouyea has the best first step of anyone in a Heat Jersey currently. I'd like see him playing with the Heat for a few games, you can't teach his quickness.

I believe the plan all along is for Swider to be developed as the new Duncan. Our cap sheep can’t handle paying Duncan close to 20 million. That money needs to be allocated to our next starting PG. I still believe Duncan is going to get traded with a pick attached that will bring some wiggle room under the super tax which is currently 25k from the line and Swider will be converted to a guaranteed contract and given the chance to fill the Duncan specialist role.


You mean this upcoming trade deadline?

I can't see us relying on Swider in the stretch run after not giving him any minutes so far, and unless we're talking D.Mitchell I'm not sure there's a PG out there that is worth dumping Duncan for ATM. He's important to what we do and he's grown his game alot.

If the plan is to somehow convert Herro + Duncan + Picks For Mitchell, and then replace Duncan with Swider...i'm down with the go all in move.
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Post#1624 » by AirP. » Mon Jan 8, 2024 4:44 pm

I don't know what kind of packages would have to made but there's multiple players with the Warriors that might be available that Miami could use. I'm looking at guys like Wiggins, Kuminga and Moody which would have to have good assets going out but there's also some other guys like Looney, Payton IIand Saric who could probably be acquired for a lot less. Looney could be a decent defensive/hustle player to backup Bam. I would say CP3 but he's guarnateed 15 mil next year even if they cut him to save 15 mil.

Martin might be a player they could be interested in getting and resigning to go with Curry. Maybe they could be interested in Jovic (but you'd want a PF coming back), Robinson or even Herro (but that should bring back a lot more than the other players).
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Post#1625 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Jan 8, 2024 5:12 pm

AirP. wrote:I don't know what kind of packages would have to made but there's multiple players with the Warriors that might be available that Miami could use. I'm looking at guys like Wiggins, Kuminga and Moody which would have to have good assets going out but there's also some other guys like Looney, Payton IIand Saric who could probably be acquired for a lot less. Looney could be a decent defensive/hustle player to backup Bam. I would say CP3 but he's guarnateed 15 mil next year even if they cut him to save 15 mil.

Martin might be a player they could be interested in getting and resigning to go with Curry. Maybe they could be interested in Jovic (but you'd want a PF coming back), Robinson or even Herro (but that should bring back a lot more than the other players).


Saric has been great for them, he’s another guy that was waiting to see if we got Dame or not
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Post#1626 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Jan 8, 2024 6:24 pm

The practical man in me says we make a move before the trade deadline in order to get better for our last Hurrah at a title with this core group. However my mind says otherwise, just based on what I know based on previous FO decisions, and observations we gonna ride and die with the core group and let Lowry expire, resign Caleb and let Jimmy ride into the sunset while we bridge the build entering the Bam, Herro, JJJ, Jovic era.

The Herro invested I feel is real, and its gonna be through the duration of his contract unless he proves otherwise. I really believe they think he will turn into something shinier than what he is now. I also believe, that some in the Org don't think he has proven anything due to his unforeseen injuries at the wrong times. However there are more people pulling in one direction than in the other.

The deficit to go after Donovan Mitchell previously means even less now that Herro is better player than he was at the time those offers were made. Unless Miami is doing 1for1 plus meh filler and 1 FRP doubtful they would give up younger player on a longer contract in that sort of value swap.

I think the JJJ revelation, has made our front office feel a lot better about bridging the current build into a younger group. Ultimately JJJ is a Jimmy replacement if anything. Bam is still a core figure here, and Lowry is soon to expire allowing us to resign Caleb, another glue guy with championship experience. The problem is Herro fills the nitch of volume scorer that would only ever be traded for a more in his prime player while attaching some picks. The question is whether that player is a PG or SG, keeping Duncan probable makes that swap feasible since you could potentially insert current Duncan as our starting SG. Thus the target for Miami could potentially be best case using Herro for a PG swap. This makes the trading Herro + Duncan together a decision I don't believe they would make its either one or the other.

Jovic, Duncan and some picks is another combo you could do if it netted you a in prime PF to pair next to Bam. All the value that Caleb held for all the great things he did in last years playoffs are off the board with his injury history and status. We have:

1 large expiring - Lowry ( low probability in losing such a large salary relief ).
1 3point shooter, vet, playoff tested, playmaker - Duncan ( medium probability 20M cap hit next year ).
1 Volumn 2.5level scorer, young long term signed star - Herro ( low probability would 30M cap hit next year ).
1 young, scoring, euro bigman, with great passing instincts & ballhandling - ( High probability with upside has value, attached to another contract).

Filler - Highsmith, Caleb, O Rob ( Nothing else is really worth much to anyone around the league ).
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I get it. But that's a GM saying his coach can't coach.


But its also a double negative to us though regardless of the stigma being that we have a hell of coach on one hand that means they should be of lesser value in a trade because they are playing above their means and on the other if were willing to let them walk because their a system player they just won't be successful elsewhere.
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Post#1632 » by Wiltside » Tue Jan 9, 2024 3:03 am

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Post#1633 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jan 9, 2024 3:29 am

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He’d be nice, no doubt.

It’s going to have to be more than just Lowry’s contract to make it happen. Duncan will have to be included in order to account for Rozier’s salary next year. Lowry makes 29 to Rozier’s 23 so at a quick glance it looks like a no brainer until only 6 of that comes off the books next year and keeps us well into the tax. Duncan’s 19.4 next year takes care of it.
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Post#1634 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jan 9, 2024 3:46 am

For chits and giggles Rozier and Hayward for Lowry, Robinson, and Martin is pretty much an exact trade match money wise on the checker 54.7-54.6
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Post#1635 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jan 9, 2024 3:55 am

Rozier 39 points 7-13 from 3 tonight. He’s essentially like buying a kirkland’s version of Dame.
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Post#1636 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jan 9, 2024 4:39 am

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Post#1638 » by Flash4thewin » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:00 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Rozier 39 points 7-13 from 3 tonight. He’s essentially like buying a kirkland’s version of Dame.


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Post#1639 » by marson » Tue Jan 9, 2024 7:57 am

In case we missed out on Rozier.

Riley should pursue Marcus Smart from Memphis and should make an offer to get Smart. Also has a good relationship with Grizzlies FO.

Trade Kyle, Caleb, and a pick for Marcus Smart.

Smart can play the PG and play defense and only 29 years old. Not sure about the numbers but Boston is F*** if we get this done.

Smart / JRich
Herro / Robinson
Butler / Jaquez
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Post#1640 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Jan 9, 2024 7:58 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Rozier 39 points 7-13 from 3 tonight. He’s essentially like buying a kirkland’s version of Dame.

he's the guy we need.

I rather Add Terry and Keep Herro and JJJ then get Mitchell and lose them both (plus more).
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